Good, Evil and Moral Agency

Satan is not the antithesis of Jesus. He is his twin.

Just like we as humans have both a dark and a light side in us, so does your God.

If you believe in creation, look around you. There is never just good or just evil, there are always two sides of the coin.

He have light and darkness, the sun and the moon, the neap and the high tide, the mountains and the valleys, the oceans and the rivers, health and sickness, birth and death, etc.

Jesus could not live without Satan, and vice versa. In our world, at least, it would not make sense.

Can you imagine being forever happy and never experience sorrow, can you imagine forever being sad and never exprience at least a glimpse of happiness?

IF, and that is a very big IF, the God you pray to has created us in his image then it stands to follow that he is just like just. Neither always good nor always bad.

He spawned Satan and Jesus before ever dreaming of creating humankind (no I don't believe in that Adam's Rib thing) and he knew full well that he can't make a perfect human, obedient and faithful without giving us the same turmoil he created in his very own heaven.

Sleep well, Brother Otterson.

Eichendorff,

And you have complained to Time Magazine for this lie?? Did they promise to correct their "error"?

C C N L & CO.:

Imagine: A "IPO" {Initial Public Offerings} of The MORMON Church; an IPO of the American Roman Catholic Church, The Baptist Church's etc..?

i.e., ANALYSIS:

If the Mormon church has a Billion Dollars of TOTAL-ASSESTS w/10% ROE/I {Return on Equity/Investment; Tax Free} annually; this means creating a "Marketization" of 1-billion Shares {for Public, not Private? investments} is a Steal & or is a genuine "Under Valued" Investment.

RECOMMENDATION: BUY BUY BUY "LSD-CHURCH" [stock ticker symbol "LSD"].

Not GM! Not JP MORGAN CHASE etc..! Imagine the "HIDDEN" & Intrinsic Values therein of them American Churches.?

Imagine getting a "Tax Deduction" {Reciept} and being able to buy Common Shares at Par value? Nice nice verrrryyyy a-nice-a!

Please see: TiTHE @
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tithe

What Time magazine reported about tithing is a bold-faced lie and CCNL perpetuates that lie without taking any responsibility for it. All donations to the Church are entirely voluntary. No one is forced to donate anything to the Church. No bills are sent and no specific assessments come to anybody from the bishop. Everyone understands the principle of tithing and everyone makes his own decision whether to pay.

The vast majority of the Church's operating budget consists of the donations of its members. The Church owns a few businesses that operate for profit and pay taxes, but these together are a very small proportion of the total.

The Church also returns large amounts of its funds back to each individual congregation. They have buildings in which to meet (the Church pays for the construction and upkeep, all from donated funds), and each has an operating budget according to the size of the congregation. No one has to engage in fundraising, so everyone has an equal opportunity to participate, regardless of income.

Of course Church authorities know how much money is collected and ensures it is safely deposited in the bank as soon as possible. Is there something wrong with being careful with donated funds?

The only people who receive payment for anything from the Church are people who are Church employees or who are called upon to spend all their time (most General Authorities) fulfilling Church responsibilities. Employees receive salaries and benefits like other organizations, and General Authorities receive an allowance if they need it (many don't accept it). Ecclesiastical leaders like bishops and stake presidents receive no pay at all. They all have their own jobs and careers. If they have expenses on official Church-related activities, they are reimbursed for those expenses.

Every year members meet with the bishop to examine the Church's financial records pertaining to their donations to ensure they are correct. Those who receive donated funds receive strict instructions about how to handle them properly. Funds donated to help the poor and needy stay in the local area and every penny goes to those in need. Nobody is paid for this. Doesn't sound like a business to me.

CCNL is a liar, and he knows it.

Mormonism???

A business cult based on Joseph Smith's hallucinations which has bought respectability with a $30 billion business empire, the BYU "mission matured" football team and a great choir.

From: Time Magazine, lds-mormon.com/time.shtml

"The first divergence between Mormon economics and that of other denominations is the tithe. Most churches take in the greater part of their income through donations. Very few, however, impose a compulsory 10% income tax on their members. Tithes are collected locally, with much of the money passed on informally to local lay leaders at Sunday services.

"By Monday," says Elbert Peck, editor of Sunstone, an independent Mormon magazine, the church authorities in Salt Lake City "know every cent that's been collected and have made sure the money is deposited in banks." There is a lot to deposit. Last year $5.2 billion in tithes flowed into Salt Lake City, $4.9 billion of which came from American Mormons."

"The Mormons are stewards of a different stripe. Their charitable spending and temple building are prodigious. But where other churches spend most of what they receive in a given year, the Latter-day Saints employ vast amounts of money in investments that TIME estimates to be at least $6 billion strong. Even more unusual, most of this money is not in bonds or stock in other peoples' companies but is invested directly in church-owned, for-profit concerns, the largest of which are in agribusiness, media, insurance, travel and real estate. Deseret Management Corp., the company through which the church holds almost all its commercial assets, is one of the largest owners of farm and ranchland in the country, including 49 for-profit parcels in addition to the Deseret Ranch. Besides the Bonneville International chain and Beneficial Life, the church owns a 52% holding in ZCMI, Utah's largest department-store chain. (For a more complete list, see chart.) All told, TIME estimates that the Latter-day Saints farmland and financial investments total some $11 billion, and that the church's nontithe income from its investments exceeds $600 million. "

Bottom line: Mormonism is a business cult using religion as a front and charitable donations and volunteer work to advertise said business.

CCNL

Wow. The hair-lipped dog speakith. (mark, mark, mark) Again, and again, and again, and again, and again…………

No matter how many times you repeat your “business cult” tripe, it will not make it true.

I again testify that the devil is real, and I now add that he must have CCNL in his grip.

Sit, CCNL. SIT! Bad dog.
If you realized it, you wouldn’t be doing what you are doing.

Mark
Always seek the truth.

Thanks for this clear response, Mike. Amazing that this is even a question now, when once it was so patently obvious that the dichotomy between good and evil is real, pervasive, and reaches from before the foundation of the world.

Satan's sophistry in mitigating and eliminating a belief in his reality, is ironic and insidious.

I add my personal witness that he is real, is the fallen one described in the New Testament, and that yet his power is limited. His bounds are set, and we can also set bounds on his influence through our own personal positive moral choices.
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John the Revelator capsuled that powerful struggle in heaven, the outcome of which has such an impact on all of humanity:

“And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

“And prevailed not; …

“And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, … which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

“And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, … for the accuser of our brethren is cast down. …

“… Woe to the inhabiters of the earth … ! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.” (Rev. 12:7–10, 12.)

There is an eternal struggle with evil forces. John the Revelator has warned us, “Woe to the inhabiters of the earth … !” He is speaking to all of us. He says, Be on guard; beware.
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We have hope through the Savior of overcoming the opposition which Satan's efforts allow and which daily life affords, but to ignore his reality is to dive into life's sometimes clear, sometimes shark-infested waters with no protection.

Karen

Mark, Mark, Mark,

And those who have visited the far side of the Moon, still find that Mormonism is a business cult using a made-up religion as a front.

A little clarification from INGOODFAITH’s post:

These are from translations of the original scripts.

Isaiah 45:
"7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

War and evil are not the same thing. And the photon thing, is that influence from Star Trek? It shouldn’t be there.

John 16:
"25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father."

Not much difference in this one.

John 8:
"44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

Jesus was speaking to a group of liars, and disbelievers, and referring to the devil’s existence and influence. In effect, the devil does exist.
I wouldn’t infer from this, that the mother has no influence on your actions. Mothers have more influence on their children than the father.
Jesus’ intent was to say that if these Jews he was talking to were truly of the father, or Abraham (as they claimed) that they would love him, and not be seeking to kill him.

John 8:
"42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot bear my word. "

This also implies that Jesus is the Son of God and a separate personage.

Mark
Always seek the truth.

Sit, CCNL. Sit!

...preferably on the far side of the moon.
Everyone realizes that the truth is not within you.

The question is, why don't you?

Mark
Always seek the turth.

Standing, sitting, lying down, on this side of the Moon or on the far side, Mormonism by any method of analyzing the Truth is simply a business cult fronting as a religion, a religion btw, that was founded by one of the great con artists aka Joe, "Devil Slick" Smith and his imaginary buddy, "angelic" Moroni aka The "pretty thingie" of the fictional Golden Plates.

Gaby1

I will agree with you on CCNL.

That is why I keep telling him to sit down.

Mark
Always seek the truth.

Gaby1

So...
What you are saying is, the bible is not the turth.

I disagree.
The bible is not anyone's truth but God's.

Mark
Always seek the truth.

Wrong on all 3 counts, JJ.

You made yourself the problem by eluding the great shining light and insulting people under the cover of darkness.

I am still the same Warm Heart I ahve always been.

Hello there GABY1, aka

Devil/SATAN/Witch....?

Oye Vay!

CONTiNUED: From Sat.2:46Pm;

About what "D E V i L" & S A T A N means:

Starting w/ISAIAH: 45:7; Thus saying,
"See "I" The LORD/ALMiGHTY/GoD.., do ALL these things. I make PEACE & create WAR.. Since I (Your god, not OUR/G-D) form the Photons & create Shadow..."

This means that that there is NO Other SUPERNATURAL Power in Existence, but the CREATOR of Existence & everything in IT, from which Mr. Yashua (Rabbi Jesus The Jew) blurted out the following slip? of 'Genuine Prophecy' saying,

"These Things I hath spoken to YE in proverbs, but the time cometh, when I shall no-more speaketh to you in proverbs, but I shall show-Ye 'plainly' of the Abba (Father)" See any Bible @ JOHN:16:25. AND

Mr. Yashua also blurted-out to the Pharasees (Jews who overpowered the Sedduces) about their belief systems which became the 'Christianity' of thes 'Christ' for a more disquised enforcement of the most Evil story ever told via that Drunkin Noah (Racist) Story,

"YE are of your father the DEViL & the desire of Ye father {not Mother of Har-LOTs, Pagans, Witches, Shammans, Voodooists etc..?} You will do..." please see any bible @ JOHN:8:44 et seq.

Note: The Holyi Cosmic Feelers faith, aka Ho-Co-Fe-Fa SYSTEM (a religion, like a belief; but based on TRUTH ; oposite MYTH) does not-speak in Proverb, rather it plainly shows YE (i) the Apocalyptic Identity of the Abrahamic "Father" God. aka

OSiRIS/SETH, AMON, ASHEM, YAWEH, JEHOVA, ISHVARA, ALLAH...

The Conservative Jews are much farther along the evolutionary path.

To wit:

Abraham founder/father of three major religions was either the embellishment of the lives of three different men or a
mythical character as was mythical Moses, the "Tablet-Man" who talked to burning bushes and made much magic in Egypt.

Many of the 1.5 million Conservative Jews and many of their rabbis have relegated Abraham to the myth pile along with most if not all the OT.

www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/ConservativeTorah.htm

All religions are syncretic. None arise out of whole fabric woven into revelatory garments to clothe this or that "people."

From Wikipedia, On the Christ Myth:

Comparisons with Mediterranean mystery religions
Main article: Jesus in Comparative Mythology

Some proponents of the Christ myth theory have argued that many aspects of the Gospel stories of Jesus have remarkable parallels with life-death-rebirth gods in the widespread mystery religions prevalent in the Hellenistic culture in which Christianity was born. Some prominent early Christians, such as Irenaeus and Justin Martyr, recognized some of these parallels; Justin specifically used several to attempt to prove that Christianity was not a new cult, but that it was rooted in ancient prophecy which had been "diabolically imitated."[125]

The central figure of one of the most widespread, Osiris-Dionysus, was consistently localised and deliberately merged with local deities in each area, since it was the mysteries which were imparted that were regarded as important, not the method by which they were taught. In the view of some advocates of the Jesus Myth, most prominently Freke and Gandy in The Jesus Mysteries, Jewish mystics adapted their form of Osiris-Dionysus to match prior Jewish heroes like Moses and Joshua, hence creating Jesus.[71]

Several parallels are frequently cited by these advocates, and often appear, mixed with other parallels, on internet sites[citation needed]. The most prominently cited parallels are with Horus and Mithras. Horus was one of the life-death-rebirth deities, and was connected and involved with those of Osiris.

Michael Grant does not see the similarities between Christianity and pagan religions to be significant. Grant states that "Judaism was a milieu to which doctrines of the deaths and rebirths, of mythical gods seemed so entirely foreign that the emergence of such a fabrication from its midst is very hard to credit."[126].

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus-Myth

This is a rather good entry, highly recommended, particularly because it briefly describes the very early Judaic origins of this myth, tossed by the Hebrews in the pre-rabbinic era.
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Moses also has mythic roots, syncretic roots. the prince in disguise even to himself who returns to free a people. What is interesting from both the perspectives of anthropology and intellectual history is how and why specific syncretic systems (religions)arose, developed. and spread among groups during particular periods, what specific socialization needs they intended to address. Then, of course, we look to transmission and consequences--intellectual, spiritual, socio-political, economic, etc.

Still. *boggle.* Latin. Don't you recognize *Latin* before you go telling people what 'ancient Scripture* is 'commanding,' there, sir?

"The name of Lucifer - by which Satan was formerly known - is Hebrew for "Son of the Morning," and that name alone tells us that Lucifer held high rank or status among the countless hosts of spirits created by God before human history began."

Actually, no, it's Latin. Meaning. 'Lightbearer,' referring, often as not, to the planet Venus as herald of the dawn.

" He is, in reality, a fallen angel who, with those spirits who followed him, is determined to disrupt and destroy God's plan for the advancement of humanity."

Or... a name someone vilified. That meant something different well into the C.E. to certain people.

But why quibble about 'facts,' you're 'proving' Satan is a name you can throw around, right?

Hi there JJ, a.k.a INGOODFAITH!

Mark,

You said:

"We will state the truth in those blogs, but we are all children of God and our position is not to attack our spiritual brothers and sisters. However, when you come to a blog focused upon our faith and spout your vitriol, you become fair game.:

You do not "state THE turth", you "state YOUR truth"! And CCNL, although he is a troublemaker and loudmouth (states HIS truth).

So now the question becomes whose truth is the truth and whose truth is not?

Here! Here!

I'm leaving this world & before We [I], do so THAT:

"DEVIL" means, "An EVIL-SPIRIT Originating from the Creator, aka LORD, G-D, Almighty, The Rock...." AND

On "SUPERNATURAL-DEVIL/SATAN" please see {Any Bible} @ ISAIAH: 45:7; about saying,

see "I, The LORD/ALMiGHTY/GoD.., do ALL these things. I make PEACE & create WAR.. Since I (god, not OUR/G-D) form the Photons & create Shadow..." But then again,

For the Heck of "IT"s sake, please see any Bible @ REV: 10:8.

AMERICA is the CHOSEN! But Not for Mormons, not fo Christians, not fo Jews, not fo Islamics, not fo Hindu's nor for Buddhists! {All are imported & out of Prophetic-[cosmic]-Time Reality!

WE [i] Salute ALL, EVERY & ANY lover(s) of "IT" {never is any god(s) a HE nor a SHE incarnate: hence, there is only 1/G-D}.

c-ya guys later.

I gotta go tweak the boost pressure and fuel injection on my turbo-Beemer (motorcycle), and I need this computer to do that.

Mark
Always seek the truth.

C C N L:

You said, "Old tales were current in Egypt, 2000 B.C., and were brought from there by Crusaders, Mongol missionaries, the Hebrews, and Gypsies."

Correction: Please add The-Hindu's too!

VOLK-MARK:

You said {a Wonderfull Revelation, knowing to you, or congregation, or not),

"..Never mind that the book of Mormon was written on this continent between 600bc and 400ad..."

Please understand SIR's that IF this is True, then Muhammad via His Islamic Intro-Visions, had Angel MORONi visit Him & not Angel Gariel!???

Prophetically, this means that Idolatary PAGANism worship, as in Pre-Islamism, became the "Last-ABRAHAMIC [Great?] or 4th Abraham Religion not 3rd in Line!

So Mormonism is in fact 3rd (before Last) on Line of or for a portion of that GODly "Inheritance"?

Hint: When was the word "America" first Said & Made? Please know, that the non flat, but rounded, "NEW WORLD", like a "NEW-RELiGION"; started on that day/Year/Time.

Not MORMONisM, nor ISLAMism, nor Judaism, nor Hinduism, nor Buddhaism..! But "HOL-ISM"!

CCNL

Btw, you either like my name or your imitating a hair-lip dog.

Which is it?

Mark
Always seek the truth.

INGOODFAITH
Thanks!
My wife says the same thing about me.
But, I can’t be that good.

;o)

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CCNL
Sit Down!
You’re like the democrats standing up and screaming at AIG over the bonuses, when they should be screaming at themselves.

Mark
Always seek the truth.

Mark, Mark, Mark,

You noted: "We will state the truth in those blogs."

Give us a break!!! Truth as in the revelations from a "pretty, wingie, horn-blowing thingie"?? You cannot in good conscience believe in this fictional tinkerbell??

Angels/devils are the mythical creations of ancient civilizations, e.g. Hittites, to explain/define natural events, contacts with their gods, big birds, sudden winds, protectors during the dark nights, etc. No "pretty/ugly wingy thingies" ever visited or talked to Mohammed, Jesus, Mary or Joseph or Joe Smith. Today we classify angels as fairies and "tinker bells". Modern devils are classified as the demons of the demented.

Fairies are apparently fallen angels Hmmm, so Tinkerbell is Satan incarnate!!! Do fairies and devils have groups/choirs/heavy metal bands? History? Time line?

"Fairy tales all arose in India, they are part of the common Aryan heritage and are to be traced by the remains of their language
They were first written in the Vedas, the sacred Sanskrit books of Buddhism. This theory is somewhat allied to the Sun-Myth Theory. This theory was followed by Max Muller and by Sir George Cox.

The theory of a common source in India will not answer entirely for the origin of tales because many similar tales have existed in non-Aryan countries. Old tales were current in Egypt, 2000 B.C., and were brought from there by Crusaders, Mongol missionaries, the Hebrews, and Gypsies."
Hmmm, something else the Israelites borrowed from the Egyptians?

http://www.sacred-texts.com/etc/sft/sft07.htm

http://www.pantheon.org/articles/a/angels.html

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07049c.htm

VOLK-MARK:

Your a very honest Man! Ya!

Like Actor "Gomer Pile" [pbuh] once said, "Ga aaaaaaaaaaal leeeeeee.."!

“Mormonism (did) not Originate (not genuine) in America.”
Posted by: INGOODFAITH

Moot issue.
Never mind that the book of Mormon was written on this continent between 600bc and 400ad.
Never mind that God and Jesus chose to restart their church in New York.
Never mind that the church headquarters is in Salt Lake.
…Hardly imported.

We do, however believe that the bible is also the word of God and we do follow it. But, our faith starts in Heaven, not in any particular region of this planet.

Why would it make a difference to you what country a faith started in?

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I knew a Conscientious objector when I was in Navy missile guidance school. He was a good and respected man that I liked.

It is important that you take a stand on what you believe particularly when it is a high moral standard, and I respect you for that. However, there is a lesson to be learned from refusing to defend yourself.

One tribe of the Nephites in the book of Mormon also took this type of position. They refused to defend themselves against an aggressor and buried their weapons of war. The main tribe of Nephites defended them even thought they wouldn’t defend themselves. Even thought the effort to protect them was valiant, in the end, it wasn’t enough.

Think about it…
Ask God if this is what he wants you to do.

Mark,
Always seek the truth.

Dear VOLKMARE (Mark):

WE know that MORMONism is the 4th Abrahamic Religion , after ISLAMism being the 3rd (not Last?) of the Great Abrahamic Faiths, Beliefs as Religion(s).

Question[anyone]: Does the United States Of America have a prophetical, but genuine "AMERICAN RELIGION"?

Fact: Mormonism, like Chritism & Islamism & Judaism & Hinduism & Budhism Do not Orginate (not genuine) in America. ALL are imported Systems , not made in America, competing for a name for thier (not our) G-D or gods stories.

So, can someone reveal THE-NEW-RELIGION, born & made Prophetically, by G-D (an IT, not a HE or a SHE), in America?

Is America's Uncle-Sam's heart violet or purple?

Note: I once was an American Boy Scout too, but a Consciencious-Objector!

Please see this meaning @
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscientious_objector

Ccnl,

Ah, but there’s a difference.

Yes we Mormons are free to follow the truth because of veterans like you and I (and my boys), but you wont find us hanging out in blogs on other faiths for the sole purpose of attacking that faith.

We will state the truth in those blogs, but we are all children of God and our position is not to attack our spiritual brothers and sisters. However, when you come to a blog focused upon our faith and spout your vitriol, you become fair game.

That may be a hazy grey line of difference but you wont find us on another faiths blog saying the obviously false things about them like you say about us.

From your writings it is clear that you fear us, and for good reason: deep down inside you realize that we are right. You are just not yet prepared to deal with the truth and this is your way of justifying a bad position and/or having lost your faith.

Maybe you don’t want a faith right now, but our openly high moral standards and dedication to truth are universal, and that scares some of those who have not yet risen to those standards.

Some day you will come to realize these things, be it while you are here or when you go to the spirit world. Hopefully before you get there. Because it means more to our father if you believe in and follow him while you are here than it will when you enter the spirit world and things become obvious.

Btw, both of my boys are Army. One has 2 Purple Hearts, an ARCOM, and a Bronze Star. When I think about what my boys have done for their country, my feet don’t reach the ground.

Mark
Mormon
US Navy veteran
Patriot Guard ride captain
Obnoxiously proud parent of 2 soldiers.
…and always seeking the truth.

Mark, Mark, Mark,

I am a US Army veteran who defended the rights for Mormons to make complete fools of themselves by believing in the mumbo jumbo of one of the great con artists who ever lived, i.e. Joe, "Devilish Slick" Smith!!!!

Full speed ahead, me hearties, but if you don’t sit down, you’re going to get hurt.

LOL

Ya, I’m a Navy veteran who defended your right to make fools of yourselves. But at least in this country, you can.

And you know what else? My sons are doing the same thing for you as we speak.

Can you handle that, Mormons defending you?
Wow, what irony. How can you live with yourselves?

Mark
Always seek the truth.

And here we go again and again with Farnaz posing as ivri5768 as the subterfuge continues with the multiple aliases. One strange, "devilish" woman!!!

And note how she even "talks" to herself in some commentaries. Very strange!!!

I think this is a good essay because it shows for all the world to see, just what Mormons believe. It's reaslly interesting (psychotic, but interesting).

C C N L:

You are Beautifull! You are a Warrior! You are, the envy of this Blogg!

Wherefore: Hold-up Your Head & Fear Not the Satan nor the opposite of "The Fallen Angel" a.k.a Mr "Jesus Joseph" The-Christ o' mighty, of his Fallen [Lucifer Brother]Angel.

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5-Stars!

BREAKING NEWS FROM CCNL (Church of Clancy, Nusbaum, and Luigi):

CCNL (Church of Clancy Nusbaum and Luigi) is fast approaching the promised line. He and his co-religionists are headed toward New Brunswick, New Jersey to begin the intuning which is to occur every month for six months prior to the great event.

These most solemn services will begin with "Al dente, Dio" (probably inaudible to human ears), the inspirational hymn penned by Mother Millie Macaroni, sister of the Sainted Archbishop Luigi (of the Lasagna.) As per usual, the services will end with the choral Luigian "Hmmm."

A visit from the Holy Sauce will take place within the sixth-month-preparatory period. He has been in seclusion meditating on Regeneration and is expected to speak Ex Cucina. In the meantime, StemCellians are urged to read the Four Garlics in the New Tetrazzini.

We wish CCNL peace in the name of the Pasta, the Meatballs, and the Lasagna.

In solidarity,

Hmmm

“…would you also concede that no single religion has a lock on "truth"?”
POSTED BY: KJOHNSON3 |

NO. Absolutely not.

And I believe you know better than that or you would not have asked such a bated question. But, I’ll respond to it anyhow.

Not all faiths other than mine are wrong, they are just not right about everything and they don’t hold a priesthood of divine origin.

Even the history of the Catholic Church bares that one out. It was the Catholics that coined the phrase “The Dark Ages”. They used that phrase because, by their own admission, the priesthood had been lost from the earth. They have never explained how they got it back because they didn’t.

Many groups splintered from the Catholics because of the doctrines of “original sin” and baptizing babies. The practice goes against their own bible. These doctrines were political maneuvers to gain control over the people of Rome, then called the “Holy Roman Empire”.

Does this make them bad? Absolutely not! Just a little misguided.

This is why God and Jesus restarted their church in 1820. It is also why that church is called “The Church of Jesus Christ”, because it is just that.

If you want the truth, go to lds.org

Mark
Always seek the truth.

"They broke away from the Catholic Church because they realized the Catholics were wrong about their own scriptures as I did when I quit being a catholic. The Lutherans, Hutterites and Baptists (to name a few) also did the same thing for the same reasons."

Volkmare,

This observation seems to suggest that you embrace the concept of choosing a different religion if the one you're currently practicing ceases to make sense.

If this is so, then would you also concede that no single religion has a lock on "truth"?

The idea of "fence sitters" has never been LDS doctrine, and I'm sure it never will be. It can only be an urban legend based on someone's wild speculation.

Temple sealings are about joining families together in eternal covenants and have nothing to do with Satan.

Having never heard of the idea of "electro-shocking" anybody at BYU (I am a BYU graduate), it strikes me as preposterous.

So Mormons deny the fact that Satan once (maybe not anymore) appeared in temple rites with a Protestant Minister at his side, deny their dogma that the fence-sitters in the "pre-existence" were "marked" by their god and deny they electro-shocked gays at BYU to "cure" them of their homosexuality?

After living in Utah 22 years and being married to a Mormon 28, I ask myself here: Who in in denial, has a faulty immagination or has been totally brain-washed by a so called religion?

Mark, Mark, Mark,

A good Mormon you are and with horn blowing to add a bit of pizzazz. Unfortunately all the horn blowing in the world will not change the fact that Mormonism is a business cult fronting as a religion based on the hallucinations of one of the great con men i.e. Joe "Develish Slick" Smith and his "pretty, thingie, horn blowing" Moroni!!!

Colorado Dog

By the way, Protestants are Christians too.

They broke away from the Catholic Church because they realized the Catholics were wrong about their own scriptures as I did when I quit being a catholic. The Lutherans, Hutterites and Baptists (to name a few) also did the same thing for the same reasons. That does not make them allies of Satan.

Get a clue….

Sit, Colorado dog. Sit.

Mark
Always seek the truth.

ColoradoDog

My wife and I were sealed in temple.
I did not see Satan, but we did feel the presence of Jesus.

You should take a seat alongside CCNL.

Mark
Always seek the truth.

CCNL

The only thing crumbling here is your reputation, what little there is of it.
If you don’t SIT DOWN you might fall down and hurt yourself.
I, for one, would not like to see that happen.

For those of you that believe in God, you must also believe in Satan. For where there is good there is also evil trying to appose it. The bible is full of examples of this fact.

Therefore, by denying the existence of Satan, you are in effect denying the existence of God. Considering the VAST MAJORITY of people on this earth believe in God, or some form of deity, then the disbelievers of both are in an extreme minority and seem to be gathered here.

It is sad.

Then there is Jesus. He gave revelations of him in the Old Testament, and spoke directly of him in the New Testament. If you believe Jesus is the Son of God, then you must believe Satan exists, unless you are prepared to call Jesus a liar.

If you are, you are fool. (Sit down, CCNL)

Mark
Always seek the truth.

Mark, Mark, Mark,

And the world of Mormon crumbles under the weight of satanic spells!! Where is Joe when you need him!!!

The idea of an official LDS belief that "people of color are somehow marked by his god as a result of their fence sitting in this war" is a figment of coloradodog's imagination. This has never been official doctrine. I have never believed it, nor have I ever attended any Church meeting or read any official publication in which this has even been mentioned, much less taught.

As far as coloradodog's "knowledge" of sealings in the temple is concerned, well, let's just say the imagination can play tricks on a weak mind.

Interesting Otterson should mention "a war in heaven" before humanity ever came to earth.." as this is the basis for the racist Mormon belief that people of color are somehow marked by his god as a result of their fence-sitting in this war.

Mormons also had a colorful Temple rite involving Satan. He used to show up at their wedding "sealings" with a Protestant Minister at his side as his ally. I guess when this became common knowledge, a vision was had by someone to stop this ritual. Sometimes Satan shows up in the form of religious ethnocentrism as well.

CCNL

listen very closely...

SIT DOWN!!!!!

Mark
Always seek the truth.

Satan does not exist. He/she is just a superstitious holdover apparently from Zorastrianism.

If he did exist in male form, Joe "SlicK" Smith would have been his major apostle.