Gaza, Israel, and a new way forward

In fact, the best analysis of the LAW to date suggests that Israel did not violate international law. As well, all but lying Islamists know that what was removed from the ships was turned over the the UN.

In the meantime, the average Gazan's life expectancy is longer than the average Turk's.

That could be from Turkish stress over the 400,000 kurds it has killed, a clear violation of human rights, and, oh yeah, international law, which prohibits genocide.

The Turkish occupation of Cyrpus is also against the law, but what with alliances swiftly changing, Turkish exceptionalism may come to an end. Soon. It doesn't hurt that the Pope is calling for unity among all Christians in the region. Not at all.

So, are the Islamists going to say that the Turkish flotilla captain is a liar, too?

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I never give much credence to IDF produced propaganda films. They are certified liars and there are hundreds of instances I can cite in that regard. If their position was justified, why did they confiscate all the cameras and flushed out the memory cards? Besides the clinching argument is THEY ATTACKED A SHIP IN INTERNATIONAL WATERS and according to law and international norms they were pirates trying to loot the ship so its passengers were within their rights to resist these pirates. They could even attack them with assault weapons. It was justified. Thats what the law says.

Find me a single credible reference that says Turkish controlled Northern Cyprus, just 28% of the Tiny Island is illegal. The whole Cyprus belonged to Turkey. It was given to the UK by the Ottomans for a brief period during the the Turko-Russian wars. However only administration was ceded over to UK not soveriegnity. So UK was obligated to hand over Cyprus back to Turkey which it didn't.

However your argument that two wrongs make a right is fundamentally false. Even if Turkey occupies Cyprus, does that make it ok for Israel to hold 1.5 million people hostage to its whims? They dont even allow toys and choclates for children to go through. In Israel the army can get away with pumping 11 bullets in the head of 9 year old school girl. I never heard the Turks using such draconian measures. I never heard any nation being such callous towards the people it occupies, whose homes and farms they steal. Have you? There was one some 60 years ago that I can remember. The world used to fear it because they seemed so invincible to the rest of the world. But eventually they fell and even today no one mourns the bombing of Dresden, because people remember their crimes much more vividly. Israel's fate is being sealed by its fanatic government and their equally fanatic subjects.

So, are the Islamists going to say that the Turkish flotilla captain is a liar, too?

Tell it to the Cypriots. It's their view. Frankly, I don't anticipate much tourism since the Israeli economy is in a shambles. Food distribution centers have been set up throughout the country. One man, a philanthropist, thought up the idea of opening restaurants for the poor. Everyone has contributed. People go in, get waiter service, etc.--mostly staffed by volunteers.

The problem with Cyprus is that it doesn't care to be a prisoner of Islam. It would like back that half of it that was stolen by Turkey in its bloody war. Of course, the US sided with Turkey, looked away, as did craven Europe.

But, times have changed. Whatever other issues there may be, Turkey is illegally occupying Cyprus.

"Israel has already instructed that its citizens do not go to Turkey for holidays, Greece and Cyprus are eager for extra tourism given the economic problems both economies are facing, and will be seeing more Israelis this summer."

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Oh yes! The Israeli Tourist! Its the answer to all the economic woes of Greece~! How pathetically desperate are the soldiers of Zion!

"Gaza flotilla captain: Activists prepared attack against IDF raid"

Haaretz

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/gaza-flotilla-captain-activists-prepared-attack-against-idf-raid-1.295591

CYprus takes exception to Most MOral Muslim Nation, Turkey's theft of half of Cyprus, mass murder, etc.: Seeks new Friends

"One senior Greek-Cypriot politician in London said last night who is close to the talks with Israel said:

"It is time that Cyprus and Israel join together in an alliance to help each other in a region that is full of Islamic extremists and terrorist groups that want one thing, the destruction of the state of Israel and the establishment of Islam in the near and middle east".

In Cyprus this week media commentators have already started arguing for a closer alliance with Israel with Savvas Iacovides of the daily newspaper Simerini saying:

"The Republic of Cyprus is powerless. It does not have the luxury to choose friends and enemies. The enemies, they impose on you. The friends, are chosen, based on mutual interests, how near each one’s objectives are to the other’s, and mutual aims. Let us talk straight and cynically: Our enemy’s enemies, those of the Turkish invaders of Cyprus, are or can be our friends and allies."

Israel has already instructed that its citizens do not go to Turkey for holidays, Greece and Cyprus are eager for extra tourism given the economic problems both economies are facing, and will be seeing more Israelis this summer.

With Turkey now deepening its commercial ties with Arab countries with a new trade accord with Lebanon, Syria and Jordan, this surely underlines Turkey’s objective to turn to its historical and political past and work with the Islamic world.

By Turkey moving to the east, this does not mean Cyprus and Greece cannot have a good relationship with Turkey, but there must be a move to embrace Israel and signal that the Hellenes are the natural allies for Israel, and not with Turkey."

From Cyprus Forum. REad the rest here:

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus30311.html

Italian Flotilla Journalist says his Credit Card was used after it was confiscated by the "Most Moral Army in the World"~!

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/italian-flotilla-journalist-my-credit-card-was-used-after-idf-confiscated-it-1.295493

The hideous victimization of Kurds........blah blah blah!

We are all too familiar with the age old Zionist tactic of attacking the messenger!

The hideous victimization of Kurds since 1980 will stop or the Kurdish movement will, again, internationalize.

Nejad scored a coup by funding the state of Syria and Greater Syria (Lebanaon), which no longer harbors Kurds. Now, to do something about the consequent suffering of the Iran poor and the endless criticism of the clerics for his international donations, he has set up a Free Trade zone among Iran, Turkey, Syria and Greater Syria (Lebanaon). Also, a good move, very good.

However, the KUrds also have the internet, and they are everywhere.

The West may stand by and watch the Final Solution of the Kurdish problem, but the Kurds, including the Israeli Kurds, will not.

Pope on 3-day visit to Cyprus amid Greek criticism of Turkey
By ASSOCIATED PRESS
06/04/2010 18:25

PAPHOS, Cyprus — Greek Cypriot leaders made a blistering attack on Turkey for its occupation of northern Cyprus as Pope Benedict XVI began a pilgrimage to the divided island Friday bringing a message of peace to the region.

Addressing Benedict, the head of Cyprus' Orthodox Church, Archbishop Chrysostomos II said that "Turkey has barbarously invaded and conquered by force of arms 37 percent of our homeland."

Chrysostomos said that Turkey "continues to carry out its obscure plans which include the annexation of the land now under military occupation, and then a conquest of the whole of Cyprus."

His comments came as Benedict began a sensitive three-day day visit to Cyprus, an island divided between ethnic Turks and Greeks and viewed by the Vatican as a bridge between Europe and the Middle East.

To date, 400,000 Kurds have been murdered by the Turks, thirty-two in the last ten days.

Ocalan, the head of the Turkish Workers Part, has been illegally imprisoned along with 800 other Kurdish leaders. He has announced that he would no longer negotiate with the Turkish government as of May 31st, since the situation is hopeless. He has kept his word. Kurds all over the region are watching.

Turkey has occupied Cyprus since 1974, when it invaded, ethnically cleansing the island of 1.2 million Greeks. It has literally stolen half of Cyprus. The new UN envoy to Turkey, Lisa Buttenheim, will solve nothing. Turkey needs to leave Cyprus.

The organizers of the Israeli Flotilla are private citizens, politically on the Left.

See article at UN Center News:

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=34507&Cr=Cyprus&Cr1=

Cyprus Mail
June 12, 2010

Flotilla fever sweeps the Med

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So how long has Cyprus been under siege? These cheap tricks are just pathetic. I thought Zionists were wiser than that. All the more proof they're loosin it!

Cyprus Mail
June 12, 2010

Flotilla fever sweeps the Med

'FLOTILLA MANIA' has taken Cyprus and the Middle east by storm, after reports that Israeli activists were planning "reverse flotillas" to the occupied areas and Turkey to highlight its neighbours’ naval embargoes and treatment of minority groups.

It seems such informal fleets - ostensibly on humanitarian missions - have become the latest instrument of protest and clandestine diplomacy in the chaotic politics of the Middle East, offering up new heroes, villains and untold opportunities to cast wild aspersions against political enemies.

Israeli flotilla plotters said on Thursday they aim to dispatch flotillas with two goals in mind; firstly to confront future Gaza-bound flotillas, and secondly to highlight Turkey’s hypocrisy, since it too is an occupying power, had introduced embargoes and oppressed minorities.

The first reported flotilla is bound for occupied Famagusta, and, according to the Jerusalem post will be led by Alex Goldfarb, former member of Knesset, and Meretz Party activist Pinhas Har-Zahav of Modi’in to protest the fort’s occupation.

The second reported flotilla will reportedly head towards either Turkey or the north of Cyprus tomorrow, coinciding with a Turkish Naval exercise, and consists of students of the National Union of Israeli Students (NUIS), and it could be substantially larger than either the freedom flotilla or the Cyprus bound flotilla.

According to spiked-online, as many as 400 Israeli yacht owners have volunteered their yachts for the reverse flotilla. The Cyprus Mail also received unconfirmed reports of a third flotilla to the Republic of Cyprus to protest against the illegal Turkish occupation.

Ironically, this could play into Turkey’s hands. As Egemen Bagis, Turkey’s Chief Negotiator pointed out, the flotilla would effectively is breaking what Turkey deems an embargo by the Republic of Cyprus. He said "They will pay the fees, they use these ports and on the other hand they will lift the embargo imposed by the Greek Cypriot sector."

Nevertheless, Boaz Toporovsky NUIS chairman said they hope to raise money for humanitarian supplies to bring to the Armenian, Kurdish minorities who are impoverished as a result of Turkish oppression, thereby exposing "the hypocrisy of Turkey and through that the hypocrisy of the whole world.’

In so doing, they will introduce the latest fashion in humanitarian protest to two further conflicts, the Cyprus problem and Kurdish independence.

Toporovsky said ‘If the Turks are so concerned about human rights, they should think about the millions of Kurds who have wanted their own country for over 100 years. There are more Kurds in Turkey than there are Jews and Palestinians in the whole world. So if Turkey’s heart and mouth are in the same place, they should give the Kurds independence. The same with northern Cyprus: Turkey occupied it and only Turkey recognises it as theirs."

nothing fail nations and mankind like ignorant delusional theology and ideology,

people every where need to study the statues of the world under the governing control of tribal(jus+christians+human secularism+the advancement in technology)AND ,

the governing control of universal islam.

compare the advancement and regression in mankind and civilization.

advancement in science and technology have not liberated nor civilzed mankind especialy those who still stuck between the original sin and original monkey.

nothing failed mankind and nations like juchristianity and her child secularism and of course useing the highest technology .

the proverb says,
its not how sharp the sward ,its how sharp the hand that use the sward .
in other words delusional ignorant buffalo heads instead of sticking the highest technology in the right place ,they stick it right up in their anas,
so sad .

nothing shakles and subjecate nations and mankind like ignorance and ignorant heads.

Nano hypothesizes:

“ …being oppressed does not make your theology and ideology a fiasco.”

Maybe not but when the theology and ideology of certain society are fiasco then its adherents will be so weak and ignorant that more enlightened and technologically advanced people can and often do subjugate them.

Assalamu alaikum Yasser,

The question posed was: What are the religious and moral considerations in determining those "new ways," especially in light of Israel's raid on an aid flotilla from Turkey bound for Gaza. I tried to answer the question and discuss some of things I think will be necessary to actually achieve peace. Certainly the tactics that have been tried over the past 60 years haven't worked.

My position on the horrific conditions in Gaza? The blockade needs to end now. Humanitarian aid, as well as the resources necessary for rebuilding Gaza must be allowed in. In the West Bank, the wall must come down, checkpoints must go along with the settlements. In Israel proper, civil and human rights must be delivered equally to all citizens. Murder, by Israelis either through commando raids or targeted assassinations are unacceptable, illegal and immoral. Murders by Palestinians, whether by missile attack or suicide bombing is equally illegal, unacceptable and immoral. Palestinians have a legitimate right to resist occupation, but not in immoral ways.

Notice how WaPo attempts to give a lopsided view of the question by lumping mostly Jewish writers one one side, who all justify yet another massacare by Israel and just this one faux muslimah (who I personally believe is worse than a prostitut)on the other side. Its telling how she evades condemning the murder of 9 innocent people as if she's afraid her handlers, Daniel Pipes and the Neocons would throw her out of this Job of writing meaningless articles.

We know the History Ma'am. You have been asked to give your opinion on the current situation of Gaza. Do you support this mass incarceration of an entire race of your fellow muslims? Do you accept it as a human being? The Pro Israeli Jewish writers on this blog have given their opinion in no unambigous terms. They support it absolutely. Where do you stand? Thats what a muslim would like to know. Cut this history of the region crap and come to the point.

Dear Panelist,

Discrimination of the Discrimination is not Discriminaition.

You say *discriminaion based upon our belief and our practices*

If your belief discriminates Human Rights,it should be discriminated.Yes.
If your belief discriminates Contemporay Values and Democracy,it should be discriminated.
The State,if State is State,has to discriminate the Discrimination.Yes.
If your belief discriminates Women,Infidels(non-muslims),Beerdrinkers etc.,it should be absolutely discriminated.
If they swim with their dresses,they ought to be discriminated.

Dear Panelist,
You say *Islam/Submission has a history of inspiring dedication to justice and civil rights*
Justice.
Justice means Islamic Rules,nothing else.Submission rejects Contemporary and Secular Justice.
Justice means in Islam *Man can take four women and whenever he likes he can kick them out*
Justice means in Submission,One woman can not be Witness,because,in islamic explanation,Her Intelligence is Dificient and may err.
Woman-Man Equality is Sin in islam.
Civil Rights ? Which Civil Rights ?
Please,show any islamic country where civil rights flourished ? On the contrary,islam came to Malaysia and All Civil Rights vanished.

Last word;
Discrimination of the discrimination is not discrimination and the discrimination should be discriminated.Yes,yes.

the promised land sacred to the jews, jesus land sacred to the christians, the revelation land sacred to the muslims ,why not keep it sacred and demilitarized ?

islam kept mecca,madena and palestine sacred for 1500 years?

how jews handel it?
how christians handel it?
how secularism handel it?

double failure and double hypocrisy on both scale,the religion scale as well as the secular scale.

islam as a mangeing theology and ideology on the scale of reality and the scale of mankind advancement and justice is wining despite the fact that muslims are occupied and oppressed,
being oppressed doesnot make your theology and ideology a fiasco ,and being oppressor and victorious does not make your theology and ideology a success.

all praise goes to the creator of mankind who distinguish right from wrong.