Atheism also a matter of faith

Saying that atheism is having faith that no god exists is severely misleading. I can't speak for all atheists so I will only speak for myself. Some may indeed take a dogmatic stance that it is impossible for God to exist, but most rationalists will admit to the possibility if proper evidence exists.

I recognize that I can provide no definitive proof against a god's existence due to a logical loophole. However, the burden of proof does not reside with me because I am not making a positive claim. I merely ask, "why should I believe in this thing you say exists?" If you cannot provide evidence, then I will not believe. There is no good argument for the existence of any god. Until there is, we are not the ones taking any thing on faith - just the opposite, in fact.

Atheism is a faith ... right. This is always an interesting argument, not because of any truth to it but rather it explains much about the religious mind.

Are they trying to raise their religious insanity to the level of reasonable non-believe, or are they trying lower reasonable non-belief to the level of their religious insanity ... always a curious thing.

The Big 3 non-asian religions, Islam Judaism and Christianity ... somehow in one mind they thing theirs is the only god anybody ever worshiped, killed for, died for, tortured for, claimed blasphemy or apostasies ... humanity has worshiped a LOT of gods besides these, and ALL of them were crap.

Just like your gods are, crap. And you're sick in the head to believe in this nonsense.

Thanks for the invite. I'm an unrepentent mono-theist, and a Muslim one too! I'd rather be invited to fly to the moon, Mars and beyond.

And what are you doing not going to Colbert/Stewart rally today carrying signs that say: "Rage is THE rage!"

That is a shame. Here I was thinking, you had final seen the light (LOL).

As for what I am doing is making phone calls for Bill White and send Rick Perry back to Arlington. Alas, it is going to be uphill task.

Mono's in his profundity knows no lower bound, so he claims

unicorn and grass eater mentality. an ass carrying a book, it would not make any difference to an ass if he carry a load of books or a load of horse manure, the above coined for people who are very smart very educated who carry a lot of knowledge but books and knoweldge that they carry donot benefit them because they carry the mentality of an ass ,an ass sense only unicorn ,unialfalfa,

Mono I will let you in on a secret that most on the planet already know. When any animal is made to carry 50lbs load of books or horse manure, or your manure it won't make any difference to it. Another secret is even you cannot tell the difference, if I did not tell you. For the smart people like us all the knowledge from the verifiable books and what we discover comes in very handy and in a beneficent way. Unlike the rubbish you gather from your Al Kittab. Because the rubbish in it is unverifiable and nothing but as you put it is is full of droppings of someone with ass's mentality. My apologies to the ass lovers on the blog, if any of your asses take offense to the above.

unicorn and grass eater mentality.

an ass carrying a book,
it would not make any difference to an ass if he carry a load of books or a load of horse manure,

the above coined for people who are very smart very educated who carry a lot of knowledge but books and knoweldge that they carry donot benefit them because they carry the mentality of an ass ,an ass sense only unicorn ,unialfalfa,
unigrass in general satisfy and fullfill.

please call 1 800 TIFPU.eat grass

Now let me welcome you to the fold. Warm welcome awaits you dear Jihadist. The first step of induction into our non-exclusive club is leave the scripture on the metaphoric dust heap.

- Secular

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Thanks for the invite. I'm an unrepentent mono-theist, and a Muslim one too! I'd rather be invited to fly to the moon, Mars and beyond.

And what are you doing not going to Colbert/Stewart rally today carrying signs that say: "Rage is THE rage!"

Mono1 claims,

///////Simple facts are distorted and outright lies passes off for truth,how can we have rational dialogue?///////

this is true not only about the politics society of America but the whole world.

the simple facts and simple truth is,

there is one god,
there is one father(Adam and Eve)
there is one religion

distortion,delusion,and problems among mankind start when mankind do not pay attention and heed to the above simple constant facts of life .

So all the mankind has to do is accept your set of delusions and then all is well. In my book the only true GOD is my book is The Invisible Flying Pink Unicorn (TIFPU). If the whole mankind were to accept this simple fact then there will be no misery in the universe at all. So why don't you accept that and proselytize for me.

Jihadist writes,

Of course atheists have "facts" and "faith" that secularism and atheism is the cure of delusions, idiocy, insanity and what have you, that without the poison that is religion, man will be free from ignorance, bigotry etc.

If it makes y'all happy - you faithless, faith-less you!

Don't be silly, Jihadist it does not become you. Why of course religion is one of the big sources of all the evils you mention in your post, but by no means is the only source. All we are saying is, as we have clearly identified one of the significant source we should get rid of it. Just as when we identified that AL-Chemistry is embodiment of delusion masquerading as science we discarded it. In the same way we need to discard religion on the dust heap of history. We do not claim that we will get rid of all that ails humanity by getting rid of all evil, but would be huge step in that direction.

What makes us happy is not you just saying whatever you said but following through, what you conceded with conviction. Now let me welcome you to the fold. Warm welcome awaits you dear Jihadist. The first step of induction into our non-exclusive club is leave the scripture on the metaphoric dust heap.

///////Simple facts are distorted and outright lies passes off for truth,how can we have rational dialogue?///////

this is true not only about the politics society of America but the whole world.

the simple facts and simple truth is,

there is one god,
there is one father(Adam and Eve)
there is one religion

distortion,delusion,and problems among mankind start when mankind do not pay attention and heed to the above simple constant facts of life .

T O M M Y S T A R S

Great "INTROVISIONATIONS" (EKLAHt-i-ON speak for "Insight & Pattern Recognition" abilities. i Think your a HUUMATE [Apocalyptic-ON], like US, and not a HUMAN [Apocalyptic-OFF's] like them. Yea!

before i[WE] begin. ANALYSIS:

As a "Fruedian Slip of Genuine Prophecy" [IMAM] P.M.T. said two things that need scrutiny"

1) Knowing she might ruffle a Pure-Secular or Moderate Atheist or New-Atheist or even the New Agnostics feather or two;

" I can't think of any openly [Gays also] or atheist politicians, and God forbid (pun intended) an atheist [or Gays] try to run for President." AND

2) "When simple facts are distorted and outright lies passed off for truth, how can we have rational dialogue?"

In the head of [IMAM] P.M.K it's O.K. for folks who are Possessed via Distorted-Reality yet attempts to pass them on as if be Truth? In other words, ATHEiSTs by any Flavors (Note there are at least 3 types & 2 Types of Agnostics) are Atheist-delusional instead of GOD(s) Delusional. something likadat.

FACT: ANY, Every & ALL those who profess or think they have TRUE(opposite Myth?) aREligion, as if aPRIORi via their Deity Types or flavors of such personal gods; that in All Reality THERE IS NO SUCH A RELIGION AS A "M-O-N-O GOD SYSTEM"! (Zero a One God!).

There is ONLY "POLY-THEO GOD(s) SYSTEM! NO HUMAN has or ever Had or attained a ONE-GOD SYSTEM! ONLY POLYTHEO! Even in the Next 1.3 Billion Years from todays calendate (When HUUMATES & HUMANS will be No More., aka END of REAL-TiMES as explained here so so many times.
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When it comes to Appearing in L-O-V-E (aka LiFE, aka PHOTONS, Not Sex; Sex is Not Love) that REALITY (aka our Holyi TRANS{FINiTY) that "BiOFINITE-DEATH" is NOt Ye/Yo or OUR Carbon-Based, "TRANSF{NITE-DEATH". Soo

Because of The "DUE-TO-BE" & the Apocalyptiarians knowledge of EKLAH's [our 'G_D' is NOt a HE/Him nor a SHE/Her] via the Holyi "9 DIMENSIONS" awareness, THAT We Never Die Justly be good [HERE] while Ye/Yo Can. AND

For the Same Reason We are Born in Miracle (zero via Any SIN or Curse Stories; Maybe The PRE-APOCALYPTARIAN Kids are of sin and Their Parents), So i{We} APOCALYPTARIANS simply CAN'T (Not via 'Kantian' System) Die.

Note: Dr. Richard Dawkins "MEME"s is a Good Example of a PRIORI in Living Motion, one Generation to the Next.

Note again: In me New Book (Sub Heading or Title) "RELIGION OF EVERYTHING BEFORE SCIENCE OF EVERYTHING" WE[i] Prove, via 'Special-Language' aka 'EKLAH-t-iON Phonetic's and tie-in an advanced New Science: something HUMANS never saw, yet was in front of their Noses and Brains all these Millenniums, which only us HUUMATES, like our Great 'PROPHET' Albert Einstein {pbuh et al} could perceive and presented to them HUMANS for their Future-Bound & Space-Forth Endeavors.

Note thrice: Since "HISTORY IS OUR JURY" (Witness & Judge) The ONLY Danger WE[i] HUUMATES face by Them HUMANS is their "JEALOUSY" as usual.

There, there, there..

Of course atheists have "facts" and "faith" that secularism and atheism is the cure of delusions, idiocy, insanity and what have you, that without the poison that is religion, man will be free from ignorance, bigotry etc.

If it makes y'all happy - you faithless, faith-less you!

Pamela's comments which are substantially to the effect that all knowledge is based on faith is an epistemological statement. It is, in effect, a statement on the origins and nature of knowledge rather than a statement on the nature of a particular system of gaining knowledge.

There has never been a demonstration of an a priori source of knowledge or even a proof that a priori knowledge can exist. Kant thought that he had proven that there is no possibility of a priori knowledge. Unfortunately, his proof probably makes his proof circular.

Pamela's statement is on the meta-faith level. A scientist may say that his knowledge comes only from observation and experiment, but, in Pamela's terminology, he says that only because he has faith that observation and experiment has given and continues to give useful results for solving problems about life, the universe and everything. I may say that God does not exist because God cannot be defined and thus questions about God are meaningless and cannot be addressed logically, but I can say this only because I have faith that logically rational analysis is the only approach to achieving useful results for solving those same problems about, life, the universe and everything. A person of religious belief likewise is depending on a faith that such questions can be answered through a spiritual, subjective or supernatural medium.

For purposes of saying that an athiest has as much faith as a Christian, what is being discussed is method of gaining the knowledge, not the knowledge itself. The knowledge is the existence of God, gained by faith in the spiritual experience. Or, the knowledge is the absence of God, gained by faith in the experimental method. Or, the knowledge is that questions about God are meaniless, gained by faith in logic and reason.

Des Carte may be the only creature in the universe (he may be the entire universe) and deceiving himself as to everything else -- God, the laws of physics, the relationship of love, the truth of algebra, everything. All he truly knows is that he exists.

The "Cogito," truly the only thing we know a priori. All other knowledge is based on some system of creating knowledge in which each thinking creature has faith.

You may not exist -- you may be a figment of my imagination -- but I exist because I am an aware and thinking something. And, I have faith in my senses, so I claim knowledge that you do exist. I have that faith because I have found through observation and experience that if I do not believe in other people, they will hit me and it hurts me.

Ms. Taylor says,

Faith is, obviously, a matter of faith. It's a belief that there is such a thing as God (or Gods). Atheism, also, is a matter of faith. It is a belief that there is no such a thing as God (or Gods). Since we cannot prove (or at least to date have not been able to prove) whether God does or does not exist -- though many point to evidence for and against God as though it were proof (and often the very same evidence is cited by both sides!) -- either position remains a position of belief, of faith. The only rational stance is to admit that we cannot prove either position; a stance which, incidentally, can be taken by believers or atheists or agnostics.

Come on Ms. Taylor, did you not read about Russels orbiting teapots. How about the the Flying Spaghetti Monster or the Invisible Flying Pink Unicorn? Since when did an hypothesis became 50% probable just by postulating it? This is an utterly silly claim.

Ms. Taylor as you also bring the issue of hostility towards Islam, I have a few questions would any of you moderate Muslims care to address. I agree there is lot of demagoguery with the right wing tirades, that said there is a lot of honest criticism too.

1) Why is there so much beating of chests about tolerance towards Muslims in the west, when we hardly ever hear anything similar expressed on behalf non-muslims in the muslim lands.

2) Why don't the so called moderate muslim organizations push for change in hostile laws against the non-muslims in the muslim countries?

3) Simply put why is there no symmetry in rhetoric and ?

It is a nice change of pace to have atheism attacked by a liberal. I'm used to the attacks coming from conservatives.

Since you claim not believing in any gods takes faith, could you please walk me through your argument? What specific faith do I exhibit when I say "I do not believe in any gods?"

Atheism a faith?

It does not require faith to NOT believe in unicorns, Zeus, Vishnu, Osiris, Poseidon, Odin, the Tooth Fairy, or a thousand other invisible spirits that have been dreamt up by man. I know the writer really, really believes in her particularly god, but so do all the others. Tell my why your god is any different. You can't.

"Faith is believin' what you know ain't so."

My favorite quote on the subject:
"Atheism is a faith like 'not collecting stamps' is a hobby."