Ramdas Lamb
Ex-Hindu monk, professor

Ramdas Lamb

Hindu monk in India from 1969-1978. Professor, University of Hawai’i, world religions and contemporary American religion.

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Religions definitely NOT the same

Are all religions the same? The Dalai Lama, who just celebrated his 75th birthday, often refers to the 'oneness' of all religions, the idea that all religions preach the same message of love, tolerance and compassion. Historians Karen Armstrong and Huston Smith agree that major faiths are more alike than not. But in his new book "God is not One," religion scholar and On Faith panelist Steve Prothero says views by the Dalai Lama, Armstrong and Smith that all religions "are different paths to the same God" is untrue, disrespectful and dangerous. Who's right? Why?

Let me begin by stating that I have the greatest respect for both the Dalai Lama and for Huston Smith (I am not that familiar with the work or life of ­­Karen Armstrong).  They are both wise human beings who have inspired me in many ways, but I have to disagree with their view as presented above.  I wish it were truer than it is. 

I must also begin by defining what is meant by the word "religion." It is an English term that draws its definition from the Abrahamic traditions, especially Christianity and Islam. For Christians and Muslims, religion refers to a particular set of beliefs about the divine, about human beings, and about the world, and these are formally perceived by their followers of these traditions to be absolute. Therefore, adherence to these beliefs is viewed as the primary criterion for judging who is "good" and who is not, for judging one's status in God's eyes. Although there are rituals and practices associated with each tradition, both see their own beliefs--and specific actions directly related with these beliefs--as having ultimate determinant of who goes to heaven and who goes to hell. While they have a variety of doctrines their adherents are supposed to follow, all actions are ultimately subservient to belief. Statements from the New Testament such as "no one can come to the Father but through" Jesus or the Muslim "there is no God but Allah and Muhammad is the prophet" clearly define belief in each tradition's own prophet as a necessary criterion for salvation. This is why, for example, countless Christians believe that Jeffrey Dahmer, the mass murderer and cannibal, is in heaven, because he "accepted Jesus as his savior" before being killed in prison. At the same time, Christians and Muslims alike deny heaven to non-believers in their religions, irrespective of goodness of those people's actions while alive.

There is no true equivalent term for such a belief-based concept in the languages of most non-European and non-Middle Eastern peoples. Therefore, one can use the word "religion" in this traditional Abrahamic sense described above, or one can use a broader contemporary understanding of it to include the beliefs, practices, religious cultures, and lifestyles of non-Abrahamic peoples as well. Either way, it is important to acknowledge that these are two very different understandings of religion.

Adapting a form of the latter concept, the Dalai Lama, Karen Armstrong, and Huston Smith view all the major religious as having much in common. They see the various traditions much like intersecting sets that share many common traits, and they have chosen to focus on a specific set of values therein as the predominant trait. Doing so, they find similarity in values like love, compassion, forgiveness, etc. that are held in high rhetorical esteem in most religions If one chooses to look solely at this particular set of values, then the similarities among religions stand out, and the Dalai Lama is correct. However, if one utilizes the Abrahamic perspective, in which a specific set of beliefs predominates, then Steve Prothero is closer to being correct. Moreover, when viewed in their totality, the major religions have far more differences in their specifics than they have in common. Each has its own unique belief system, set of values, doctrines, rituals, and other practices. Each has its own ultimate goal or goals and relatively particular criteria for reaching these goals, and these differences make the traditions stand apart much more than stand together. It is important to acknowledge and understand these differences. As Prothero suggests, it can be both disrespectful and dangerous to not do so. Those difference create uniqueness, but they also have led to a great deal of the distrust, friction, hatred, and violence that the world has undergone and continues to suffer through.

The one aspect of the Abrahamic traditions that seems to be the root cause that separates them from the other major religions is that their foundational beliefs are confined, for the most part, to a single text, a text that is held by most adherents as without error and is not to be questioned. In the case of both the Hebrew Bible and the Quran, the text and its version of reality was conceived in the Middle East under the influence of extreme tribalism and tribal consciousness. The superiority of one's tribe went unquestioned, and its survival, protection, and promotion, at the expense of others if necessary, were pivotal. Each tribe had its own deity or deities who were seen to be protectors of the tribe. Thus, gods and genes were often connected. It is a concept actually found in many tribal groups around the world. The Jewish concept of chosen people is an early example of this. However, with the birth of Christianity, a pivotal change occurred. Rather than determining tribe based on genetic lineage, Christians redefined the concept of tribalism by basing their specific interpretation on belief lineage instead. Muslims started out with tribal identity but subsequently adopted the concept of a belief based lineage as well. For both, their respective "tribe" came to consist of those who shared their beliefs rather than their genes. However, they kept the same narrow view of the world, one in which their specific group was and is seen to be superior, its members' relationship to its deity exclusive, and its success and proliferation paramount. Not limited to genetic lineage, they could now expand their tribes without limit.

Another aspect of traditional tribal consciousness in many parts of the world is that the killing off of one's opponent tribes is sometimes seen as a necessary step to assure the survival and proliferation of one's own. In the case of Christianity and Islam, this became translated into the destruction of opposing beliefs, rather than just peoples, to assure their own survival and proliferation. That is why both religions have spent so much time and energy throughout their histories converting others to their ways of thinking, and that is precisely why they are the largest religions in the world today. This is a very different way of thinking and acting than is found in the other major religious traditions.

Most non-Abrahamic religions, on the other hand, have not been similarly limited by such a narrow doctrinal and belief system, nor have they been so obsessed with spreading their "belief genes." Although the religions of India have had their own problems and shortcomings, they have also had a somewhat easier ability to address them, since these traditions are not bound by a single text, and especially not by one written in such a situation as mentioned above. Although orthodox Hindus claim the Vedic scriptures are absolute, most Hindus do not feel bound by these texts, and countless Hindus reject and openly criticize them. In the Abrahamic traditions, criticizing or challenging the authority of the scripture can not only lead to expulsion from the religion but has lead to the death of untold numbers of people over the centuries.

The quote above that all religions "are different paths to the same mountain" is an ancient Hindu concept and view that is commonplace in the Dharma traditions. Because Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism each have a myriad of texts that their adherents can turn to for guidance and direction, an approach of scriptural and doctrinal openness and pliability has allowed these traditions to grow, to accept new points of view, and to reject those that are no longer seen as valid. This inspires a very different kind of religion, one that is not limited to a single belief, one in which disagreement and growth can go hand in hand, and one in which tolerance of alternate points of view is much more likely.

This concept of tolerance is clearly not consistent with the foundational doctrines of the Abrahamic traditions, and their exclusivist beliefs have lead many of their followers to dislike, denigrate, and even hate others' religions and their adherents. Fortunately, millions of individual followers have been more tolerant than the doctrines of their own religions. They have and continue to accept others irrespective of their religious beliefs, and they seek to live in a world in which peace and harmony are more prevalent than hatred.

Fundamentalist thinking in any religious tradition is inconsistent with the concept of tolerance, and it is precisely because of the resulting intolerance that so many people today have chosen to separate themselves from religion in general. They see all the hatred and division that such views have caused and want to distance themselves from them. Sadly, many reject the important values that are taught as well. Swami Vivekananda once said that it is good to be born into a religion but die out of it. He saw the importance of being raised with a value system as found in most religions, but he also saw the problems with narrow fundamentalist thinking. Likewise, the Dalai Lama has often said that it is not important to be religious, i.e. affiliated with a specific sectarian organization, but that we need to be compassionate. In short, the values he emphasizes are the central elements of religion that can make our world a better place, while the fundamentalist and intolerant elements should be rejected.

In the end, I agree with Prothero. All religions are not the same, and we should not lump them all together. Those traditions that focus solely on belief, are bound by a text rooted in tribal thinking, and teach narrow mindedness, intolerance, and hatred need to change if they are to serve any ultimate benefit in the world. They could learn a great deal from those traditions that focus on the importance of right action and karma and that practice both compassion and tolerance. If all religions did so, then the vision of the Dalai Lama and like minded individuals could become reality, and the hatred that has become so identified with religion could actually become a thing of the past.

This does not mean that all religions should be alike. Their differences reflect varied cultural and personal conceptions of reality that can be useful in offering diverse approaches to solving the world's problems. However, as long as religious narrow-mindedness and arrogance continue, so will the hatred and violence these views inspire, and the supposedly religious who promote them will remain a part of the problem and not a part of the solution.

By Ramdas Lamb  |  July 10, 2010; 11:45 AM ET Save & Share:  Send E-mail   Facebook   Twitter   Digg   Yahoo Buzz   Del.icio.us   StumbleUpon   Technorati  
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Many congratulations to Mr. Lamb for starting a much needed thought process in minds of many people.
Many times, people
- out of ignorance
- out of good will
- out of lack of sicerity
claim that all religions are same.
It is moral crime to stick by thism when history is crying in our eyes.
The times of ignorance have gone. In this era, we have all tools to find reality by ourselves. It's a duty in defence of this earth and humanity.

Posted by: iam4friendz | July 14, 2010 5:08 PM
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I couldn't agree more with Prof. Lamb's article. It's a pity though that this is the first article of it's kind that I have read, and it is coming from a person that is probably not of Indian descent. Hopefully people's eyes can be opened by this and understand that religious intolerance is real. For centuries, Hindu faiths have taken abuse from western beliefs, but like Kannan with Shishupala, I hope that there will be an end to all of that.

Posted by: dineshkprasad2000 | July 13, 2010 6:48 PM
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Lamb recognizes that essentially ALL religions other than the Abrahamic ones have a great deal in common. But having recognized this, I don't see how Lamb can possibly come to the conclusion that what he is saying agrees with Prothero.

Prothero never gives the slightest hint that he understands the great divide that separates the monotheistic "Abrahamic" faiths from other religions.

Posted by: curt2 | July 13, 2010 11:36 AM
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good-bad-n-ugly: you are wildly off-topic,
and seem to be obsessed with apocalyptic fantasies.

Posted by: internetaction | July 12, 2010 6:09 AM
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Part A of B:

Now a Revealation on our O.ne U.niversal R.eligion, "NEW-SONG"s via our "H-O-L-Y -- i-N-F-i-X-U-S -- T-E-S-T" For

"VICTORY OF THOUGHT on "S.PACE S.HiP EARTH:" And for

"'CORRECTiON OF SIN' {Of Any/All Competing Religion/Belief/Faith & Practice of on S.S. Earth} and especially for the 'HEALING OF THE NATION'S toward long lasting genuine 'WORLD PEACE', aka Healing of Nations by correction of sin/curse which can only be successful IF,

if ALL of S.S. Earth's leaderships via their "iNFIXUS-BOOK"S {Chumashe/Bible, Geeta/Gita, Tangyur/Kangyur, Koran/Quran ...} via the Eklah-t-iON "Holyi-iNfixus-Test" precept upon precept, pasik upon pasik, Sura upon Sura, stanza upon stanza, line upon line, passim, here a little & there a little,...] until "GRiDARiAN DEMOCRACY" sets into & out of our Reality (Individual + World Conscious/ness) thus later Uniting-US Apocalyptic-ON's ({aka Huumate thinkers}; Not Pre-Apocalyptic-OFF's {aka Human thinkers}) 'NO' longer Dividing-US {S.S. Earth's Automatic Born'th Citizen/Denizenz}, Hassling over a Name for "G-D" instead of "IT"(Not a HE nor a She) unlike current & past thinking, ever again! Follow the Arrow Of TiME (Temperature) Young MON, Young WOM! So

Here is the Holyi-Recipe on How WE [i] Huumate(s)kinds will UNiTE, never again Divide All/Every & Any so-called (alike or unalike) man-Made & or G-D, iSHVARA or ALLAH made by Deity or by Spirit or neither:

Note: This recipe is Beyond 'Comparative Religion'! IT is actually a "Religion Of Everything Before The Science Of Everything". So here "IT" {NOt a HE nor a SHE} is for this/that purpose:

THAT;

Posted by: good-bad-n-ugly | July 11, 2010 10:26 AM
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(B of A) ... According to the "HOLY iNFIXUS" aka HOLYi iNFIXUS TEST, a/k/a the "60/SiXTY WORDS THAT CAN CHANGE THE WORLD FOREVER PEOPLE WiSE" from SOURCE-ONE/1/EK/UNO {EPONYMOUS 'EkcLAH'}

can be translated into ANY # of the Human/Huumate words of such creatures (here or other worlds religions, if any) in order to SPACE-FORTH & to EVOLUTE graciously for this purpose via the what the INFIXUS's reflect singing,

"ANY Teaching which is substantiated by the LAWS OF NATURE and at least Two of the Three books entitled HOLY BIBLE and BHAGAVAD GITA and GLORIOUS QKURAN or ELSE NOt contradicted by atleast Two of them Shall be a Valid-Part of the NEW SONG to Usher-In the APOCALYPSE on SS-Earth as promised in those Three BOOK(s)" Soo

In order to Genuinely Pass-Mustar for PROPHETiC WORLD-PEACE (Healing Of Nations by such CORRECTION-OF-SIN(s)) Apocalyptically. NOt Pre-Apocalyptically anymore. THEN Every Such Teachings (iNTRO-VISIONING) must

(1) Be Substantiated by the LAWS OF ['IT's] NATURE (or CLAUSES of our O.U.R. BOOKs. Note; The UNiVERSE is our O.U.R. 1st genuine innate/holyi CONSTITUTION; and Americas Constitution 2nd));

(2) Be Upheld by more than one/1 of the INFIXUS BOOKS (Note; Theres only 2/two Systems: ABRAHAMICs + VEDICs; but out of Endicott & Importance ISLAMiCs must factor in too); and

(3) NOt be contradicted by more than One of the Infixus Books; SO

That the APOCALYPTIC RESULT(s) will be the "DEMOCRATICAL-VOiCE" of the Infixus-Books (As EK/1/UNO..) Only & Only After , via a "Gridarian Democracy" System will each cast their precious-VOTE on the QUESTIONs & the ISSUES duly raised by the Aspirants addressing Those/their Infixus-Books (Gita/Bible/Quran) of Scripture/Stanza's/Sura's either Directly YE selves or through APOCALYPTIC [aware] RESEARCHERS or their "CRUXOLOGIST"s [like i, WE] or via their REVELATION-MINISTERs whom will be studying the infixus books for that Prophetic Purpose; Fo Peace On Earth, Unity, NOt Division etc..!

Then GRIDARIAN-DEMOCRACY will have the Rightful balance (Mizan) to GO APOCALYPTIC (thinking) via S.S. Earths inevitable NEW-SONG (born'th from Old of course) via the NEW-VOTARY ASSOCIATION & More good Tidings/Prophect to com. WE [i] Promise!
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Posted by: good-bad-n-ugly | July 11, 2010 10:25 AM
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Brother L A M B, et al: (1 of 2):

Buddhism became a Big-Business under [this] Dali Lamba tutelage lately, Especially in the last 3-Years (2007-2010). But it will soon soon start Reversing or unraveling faster that it was (Promoted) forward. In the U.S.A. It's +/- $8 Billion Biz Annually.

YO Love for old-time Pre-Apocalyptic Eastern-CULTtures & For Eastern-SECTtions & or Eastern-Religio overall via "Insight & via Pattern Recognition"s thereof is understandable. Before i [WE] begin please know'th that Brother Prothero's sentence, whether a "Freudian Slip Of Genuine Prophecy" or jest that IT is interesting when HE writes (& YE agree some),

"What we need today is an approach to the world's religions that recognizes the good and the bad in each, and the differences as well as the similarities. Only then can we hope to make sense of a world in which these rival religions play such a powerful role."

NOTE: This is NOt New Thinking. But it seems so Today. (People/Society Hath Short Memories). Note again: Mr. TENZiN GYATSO (aka Dali Lama 0f many many; r Full of Holes) is NOt a "Holy-ness", Zero. He & his Monks (International ARMY) Business is Booming. WHY? Because HE/THEY removed, from the Internet (thus Cornering The Worlds BUDDHiST System along w/Rituals, includes conspiring w/HiNDU practices etc. or such Market by simply Making ALL "TANGYUR"s & "KANGYUR"s (Especially the ENGLISH translated Books/Writings/Scripture) almost Impossible to get in one Hands On". They know, "OUT OF SIGHT OUT OF MiND". Please see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kangyur (& also Tangyur).
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What i [ME] WE sayin is, That the (un)Holiness & Gang should be ashamed of himself (SECTs & CULTs etc.) for Monopolizing The Old {Kangyur/Tangyurs} Scripture (In Original). Suddenly, in the last three Years (Most Public or www-Surfers/users Don't realize this) That The MONKS Army have gone out of their Way to Collect (Globally) ANY , Every & ALL 'Tangur's & Kangyur's Translated in ENGLISH, or other than Tibetian/Chinese Translations, Extinct, or Hard To Get. WHY?

Besides the 'SuperStupidStitious'ness stuff & story's of the Others (Chumash/Bibles + Geeta/Gita, Quran/Koran etc..) Because If one (Westerner) Reads the Kangyur (being like the BOOK OF MORMONs or the Quran..) & the Tangyur (Being like the Supplement or HADiTHS of Koran or KJV goes w/Mormon book) THAT; (continued)

Posted by: good-bad-n-ugly | July 11, 2010 9:00 AM
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(2 of 2)
One Will PuuKE! THROW{UP! They are Both (like the rest of none Buddhist; NOt only un-Holy nor Holyi) but Very PRE-Apocalyptic. Hence Why the Dali Lama has been cunningly using only his Tricky Voice while Plagiarizing other peoples Philosophy (Work, includes Modern) Smile & Story's (Charismatic like; distracting) feeding Gullible Buddhist/lambs/cows/mops TA{UTOLOGY what they (paying Followers) Want his Naive-Audience to hear instead of what they should really Hear & Know for True HAPPiNESS & HEALTH but via a NEW {age}SONG. Fit for the imminent"AQUARiUS-age (Apocalyptic age); vamping out of the PISCES-age (Pre-Apocalyptic ages/epochs). Note: i [WE] art NOt talking Astrology nor r WE [i] talking Horror-Scopes thinking. Only Pure Counts of OUR holyi "Equinox's Alignment"s stages/ages. But We think, Pray, Feel & Live in Pure modern Cosmic ASTRONOMY & some sciense; The CRUX of our O.U.R. Religion!

Note again: Any so called imagined Buddhist or wannabe {Zenist/Theravadist/Vajrayaist etc..} who Reads the English-Translation of Kangyur/Tangyur will realize Why the DALi-LAMA MOVEMENT & His Monks INT'l Army are Avoiding them; HIDING THEM from Global Community, besides The PANCHEN (reincarnated boy). Else they will loose Customers (Suk'rs).!?

QUESTION: Besides Educational or awareness; Can Licensed MONK or G-d Head/Player BUDDHIST/Leader living today make available; for the Public's Scrutiny & Knowledge Both the KANGYUR & or TANGYUR, in ENGLISH? Is So; Can Ye They (includes Dali Lama of Lahasa, Tibet, or Dali Lama of Marsalama India or Dali Lama of Mainland, China et al..) Make (Holy their Books?) it Available Here Today? iNterestingly

taking the Quran/Koran Apart (in English; eventhough ARABou's Wahhabi & Ayatollahists say it's not in language of ALL [Not Kafir G-Ds]) is Fuuuuunn! Like wise taking apart The Chumash(Masora/Old)Bible(Basora/New) is just as foouny'r. And taking apart the Geeta/Gita(tripitaka etc..) is also soo so much Fun. And since i [WE] are the few {ECLAH-t-iON's} Aspirants on Earth who know'th the (English version) Kangyur/Tangyur that it too is so soo much fun. Hence Why the Slick Dali LaMBA & Co are Hiding the Truth (their).

Note: The Dali Lama & CO., Hath also resorted to LEGAL ACTION against those whom Post on their Web Cites, even "Excerpt"s of Kangyur/Tangyurs & or Payed them to Take it Down (not post, not mention). A C H i L L i N G truth!? continued:

Posted by: good-bad-n-ugly | July 11, 2010 8:58 AM
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Firstly, one must believe in a Compassionate and Merciful God.

Which means that even a person living in a stone age culture, in a remote jungle; who believes in his heart, that God resides in a particular tree; and spends his whole lifetime religiously worshiping that tree, he will receive God's Blessing for his steadfast devotion.

Sri Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsadeva once said:

"One should not think, 'My religion alone is the right path
and other religions are false.' God can be realized by means
of all paths. It is enough to have sincere yearning for God.
Infinite are the paths and infinite are the opinions."

"God can be realized through all paths. All religions are true.
The important thing is to reach the roof. You can reach it by stone stairs
or by wooden stairs or by bamboo steps or by a rope.
You can also climb up by a bamboo pole."

Om Tat Sat

Posted by: internetaction | July 11, 2010 5:25 AM
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