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TO CONCERNED THE CHRISTIAN NOW LIBERATED AND THE REST OF HUMANITY: You wrote, "And how indeed did you become so blessed?", you will have to ask God that because as He has said in the bible, "Remember I have chosen you, you haven't chosen Me". You also wrote, "Ahh, yes it was another one of those "pwtfft" visits akin to the visits to Joe Smith, Mohammed and Jesus visits with their private "pwtfft".", I don't know about Joe Smith but Mohammed was deceived by satan who said that he was Gabriel. As for Jesus, He flat out said that He was God and Man, He said that in a number of places. Either Jesus is Who He said that He is, God-Incarnate, or He is a liar. Since the messenger to Mohammed said that Jesus was a second-rate prophet and not God-Incarnate then either Jesus or the messenger to Mohammed was a liar, JESUS IS NOT A LIAR. Have you noticed that the god of islam not only called Jesus a liar but then claimed Him as his prophet? Kind of interesting, don't you think? As I have said, "The True, Living, Triune, Triumphant God is a searcher of hearts and minds, not of religious affiliations or lack thereof". I have also said, "It is important what you do, and why you do it and what you know". God chose me, God chose to become Jesus. Take care, be ready, see you in the Kingdom. Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

Moses Baum,

And how indeed did you become so blessed?

Ahh, yes it was another one of those "pwtfft" visits akin to the visits to Joe Smith, Mohammed and Jesus visits with their private "pwtfft".

TO CONCERNED THE CHRISTIAN NOW LIBERATED AND THE REST OF THE WORLD: I have met God and He is a Trinity and He is not a He, a She or an it but is Pure Love. God has a Plan and has had that Plan since before creation and It will come to fruition. Just because some people don't understand the bible and they dismiss it as being either a lie or a bunch of moralistic stories, that does not mean that it isn't true. I have also met satan and he isn't nice and he sure is upset, but that is his problem not mine. Pharisees and scribes were written about in Jesus's time and their counterparts are alive and well today, but I guess they don't know who they are. God's Plan is for all of humanity to be in the Kingdom, the new heavens and the new earth, contrary to what some of the people that call themselves "christians", think. It is sad that some that call themselves "christian" think that God's Plan isn't for everyone and it is even sadder that some don't want it for everyone as long as they get to the "good place". I repeat: God is a searcher of hearts and minds, not of religious affiliations or lack thereof, it is important what you do and why you do it and also what you know. We do have free will, we are not puppets on a string or preprogrammed robots and we will all be judged. One day some of the people that call themselves "christian" and have no idea what that means will find out. Divine Justice will be served but don't forget about Divine Mercy. Something to think about: isn't it interesting that so many people want justice, actually a pound of flesh so to speak, for others and they want mercy for themselves. We are responsible for what we do, what is the big deal about that, but God, to say the least is very forgiving, all you have to do is ask, even if you don't believe in God. As I have said before, God is not an egomaniac like some people seem to think and if you know His Name, nothing else matters. Take care, see you in the Kingdom. Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

"Moses" Baum,

Bible "thumping" is being revised. It started about 200 years ago when religious brainwashing began to be evaluated by many exegetes. Gone now are the "pwtfft"s and their ugly counterparts along with physical resurrections, ascensions, assumptions, miracles and atonement theology.

Again as per John D. Crossan, an On Faith panelist and NT exegete:

(from his book, "Who is Jesus" co-authored with Richard Watts)

"Moreover, an atonement theology that says God sacrifices his own son in place of humans who needed to be punished for their sins might make some Christians love Jesus, but it is an obscene picture of God. It is almost heavenly child abuse, and may infect our imagination at more earthly levels as well. I do not want to express my faith through a theology that pictures God demanding blood sacrifices in order to be reconciled to us."

"Traditionally, Christians have said, 'See how Christ's passion was foretold by the prophets." Actually, it was the other way around. The Hebrew prophets did not predict the events of Jesus' last week; rather, many of those Christian stories were created to fit the ancient prophecies in order to show that Jesus, despite his execution, was still and always held in the hands of God."

"In terms of divine consistency, I do not think that anyone, anywhere, at any time, including Jesus, brings dead people back to life."

Ahh Khefera...but I stand up very well for myself. In fact I can stand toe to toe with anyone that wants to take me on. BUT...I find it rather odd that Atheists who bemoan the Christian's attitude towards them think it is just fine to belittle others.Can I say Hypocrite.

And that goes for Christians also.

Pagans never ever say that you need to believe like us or go to Hel...we never ever say to Atheists that they should believe like us or be laughted at or called names. You like us, expect respect.

But like the Christian it seems Atheists push their beliefs down other's throats...and they use the same form...emotion, words and thinking you have The Truth.

As far as free speach...it certainly is not free..and if you do not stand up for it and your right to use it you will certainly lose it. I used my right of free speach and YOU reminded me in a belittleing way that there was such a thing as Free Speach. I know it..I use it...I fight for it. If I did not I would not join a forum such as this one, which has Pagans as a minority.

Terra

TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN: The True, Living, Triune, Triumphant God is a searcher of hearts and minds, not of religious affiliations or lack thereof. It doesn't matter what your religion or your beliefs are, if you don't at least try to live them. It is important what you do and why you do it and also what you know. We all have free will and we will all be judged. Knowing God's Name is no excuse for not at least trying to live decently. God has a Plan and one day some of the people that call themselves "christians" will realize that Jesus was telling the Truth when He said, "My Kingdom is not of this world", we are not to try to set up a theocracy, but we live in this world and should try to do what we can in whatever way we can to make it better, "whatever you do for the least, you do for me". Something to think about whether you believe that Jesus is Who He is or not: God became one of us, to speak with us, to look at us and to be our brother, all of humanity. And then He left it in our lap to carry on the work, sometimes it is hard to believe that some of the things that people do and say in God's Name, that they can do and say it with a straight face, what an absolute twistation of what Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews actually did and said. God is Love, Pure Love and whatever you do out of Love, you do for God. We are all God's children, and we are all God's brothers and sisters whether we like it or not. New heavens and a new earth, the seventh day will get here, be ready, see you in the Kingdom. Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

I don't think you mean "Christian" candidate.

I think you mean ChristianIST candidate. Anyone who'd use their religion to gain wealth and power is beneath contempt.

Mathew 6:1 has this exactly right: "Beware of practicing your piety before men in order to be seen by them."

The Republicans, the televangelists, the shouting heads, and all the rest of them are the Pharisees Jesus warned us against, and if they want their religion out in "the public square" than they can expect to be exposed for what they are -- financial chicanery, child abuse, and all the rest of the abuses their authoritarian mindset enables.

Well said. More to the point, thank you for some insight on better barometers of a candidates beliefs.

Again, thank you.

So called.....,

Hmmm, you neglected to say anything about Professor Father Raymond Brown, or Professor Bruce Chilton or the referenced web site. Why is that??

Professor Crossan also noted the possibility of Jesus' body being buried in the mass graves of the crucified, with lime in a shallow grave, or under a pile of stones.

An added note: As per R.B. Stewart in his introduction to the recent book, The Resurrection of Jesus, Crossan and Wright in Dialogue, ( Professor Wright is also an On Faith panelist).

"Reimarus (1774-1778) posits that Jesus became sidetracked by embracing a political position, sought to force God's hand and that he died alone deserted by his disciples. What began as a call for repentance ended up as a misguided attempt to usher in the earthly political kingdom of God. After Jesus' failure and death, his disciples stole his body and declared his resurrection in order to maintain their financial security and ensure themselves some standing."

And what are they teaching these days in graduate theology classes at many Catholic universities? e.g. Catholic University, Notre Dame.

"Heaven is a Spirit state or spiritual reality of union with God in love, without earthly -- earth bound distractions.

Christ 's and Mary's bodies are therefore not in Heaven. For one thing, Paul in 1 Cor 15 speaks of the body of the dead as transformed into a "spiritual body." No one knows exactly what he meant by this term.

Most believe that it to mean that the personal spiritual self that survives death is in continuity with the self we were while living on earth as an embodied person.

The physical Resurrection (meaning a resuscitated corpse returning to life), Ascension (of Jesus' crucified corpse), and Assumption (Mary's
corpse) into heaven did not take place.

The Ascension symbolizes the end of Jesus' earthly ministry and the beginning of the Church.

Only Luke's Gospel records it. The Assumption ties Jesus' mission to Pentecost and missionary activity of Jesus' followers The Assumption has
multiple layers of symbolism, some are related to Mary's special role as "Christ bearer" (theotokos). It does not seem fitting that Mary, the body of Jesus' Virgin-Mother (another biblically based symbol found in Luke 1) would
be derived by worms upon her death. Mary's assumption also shows God's positive regard, not only for Christ's male body, but also for female
bodies."

Amazing how this agrees with Professor Crossan and the Jesus Seminarian's conclusions based on attestations and stratums.

Also:
"In three controversial Wednesday Audiences, Pope John Paul II pointed out that the essential characteristic of heaven, hell or purgatory is that they are states of being of a spirit (angel/demon) or human soul, rather than places, as commonly perceived and represented in human language. This language of place is, according to the Pope, inadequate to describe the realities involved, since it is tied to the temporal order in which this world and we exist. In this he is applying the philosophical categories used by the Church in her theology and saying what St. Thomas Aquinas said long before him."

http://eternal-word.com/library/PAPALDOC/JP2HEAVN.HTM

Geez, is there anything less tolerant than a liberal cleric?

Mr Ballmer is one of those folks who thinks that anyone who doesn't equate Christianity with absolute pacifism or alarmist enviornmentalism is not a sincere Christian.

How is this different than Jerry Fallwell questioning the faith of those who don't equate Christianity with being strictly against abortion?

Yes, Crossan for example believes that Jesus' body was buried in a shallow grave and eaten by dogs.

He was also part of the Jesus Seminar, that cherry picked what THEY believe Jesus actually said and that was added or embellished to the gospels.

It is not liberating to deny Jesus and what he did on the cross, and the resurrection itself. Those that deny Christ to such a degree are just saying that what Paul (Yes Paul the real apostle) said about resurrection is actually true - that the preaching anyone does about the atonement is in vain if the resurrection is denied.

Crossan is a liberal theologian that can't see with faith's eye, just like you. Not a small surprise. Liberation comes in knowing Christ. There is nothing outside that TRUTH (which cannot be proven) that cab liberate you .

DG has helpfully illuminated the essential nature of his/her Christian faith, by saying, "I think I'll follow Christ. He said 'love your enemies.'"
A secular person would have said, "I think I'll take such an idea to heart, and let it guide my own actions." The secular person thinks the truly profound idea is the important thing (although the identity of the person who came up with the idea is good to know, as well). But DG isn't satisfied with merely following Jesus' ideas, DG chooses to follow Jesus himself as well.
There appears to be a fundamental distinction between religious and secular people: Both secular and religious people nurture admiration for ideas, but religious people nurture admiration for the (alleged) sources of such ideas to a level that makes true worship possible.

Somalitrade,

Hmmm, you noted "If there is a candidate who has the intellect to admit that there isn't any value of christianity in politics afterall, I would say that's a good starting point".

Ditto that for all religions especially Islam!!!!

To so called ...:

Hmmm,

As starters about psuedo Pauls:

1. Professor/Father Raymond Brown in his book, An Introduction to the New Testament, p. 639, 654, 673, 684 (The book has both a Nihil Obstat and Imprimatur from the Catholic Church),

2. Professor John Dominic Crossan, On Faith Panelist and NT exegete, in his book, In Search of Paul (with Professor Jonathan Reed), p. 105, pp. 112-123, p. 377,

3. Professor Bruce Chilton, NT exegete, in his book, Rabbi Paul, p. 8, 16, 102, 164, 257, 262.

4. http://www.cuucsa.org/sermonarchive/paul.html

The offending Epistles of Paul were not written by Paul?

Offer any PROOF of that assertion?

Reading too many liberal theologians assertions that are unsubstantiated and pure speculation.

Quality presidents are hard to get. If you look around with the bigger picture in mind, no candidate really qualifies "intellectually" to lead this country! In that situation, religious and political leanings won't help! I must admit though that the "less intellectual" the candidate is, the closer he/she is to his/her religious denomination. I think we already have the current president as an example of a person with a strong religious beliefs and a one who is described as "a deaf in a room full of blind people", as one of his former cabinet members said. If there is a candidate who has the intellect to admit that there isn't any value of christianity in politics afterall, I would say that's a good starting point. Leave what's for Cezar to Cezar!

“God in the White House: A History: How Faith Shaped the Presidency from John F. Kennedy to George W. Bush.”

Are God and religion synonyms? You mix the two like they are. There's a religion with no God at all and it's official too. Then there are those with faith in God and none whatsoever in religion, not official because there's no religion. The title of your book should be "Religion in the White House...." The error in the title makes one wonder about the accuracy of the content.

Maybe "Bible in the White House..." would be even more to the actual situation. Perhaps that would wake a few people up. There's a big gap between the Bible and God that you close with assumption.

"Bible in the White House.." would explain a lot. http://www.hoax-buster.org/sellyoursoul the unchallenged reading of the Bible shows Devil and not God is behind religion. So you should have titled your work, "Devil in the White House..." if you must call upon the supernatural and get a lot of Repubs to agree with you.

Religion operators are like labor unions. They've had their political day and are now taken for granted by the GOP the way labor is by the Dems. The media hasn't given up though, has them crying the blues on the tube. Maybe they'll form a "God party" and run war hero Pat Robertson for president.

McCain is beating a dead horse that died when he accepted Jerry Falwell's invitation to speak at Liberty University where graduates are more ignorant than before they enrolled. They've memorized lies and call them "word of God" truths, (Devil lies profusely you know just like His ministers).

Get God, Devil and religion straight. They're not synonyms. Devil and religion are the compatible two. God wouldn't be caught dead in a church.

I just want to make a narrow point about Mr. Balmer's interpretation of the two Bible passages he quotes. I'm not speaking to Balmer's main point, or to President Bush's actions. Just to the verses. There could be reasonable interpretations of those verses that lead in a different direction than Mr. Balmer seems to be going. Mr. Balmer quotes Jesus teaching to love our enemies, and be peacemakers. Balmer seems to imply that going to war with your enemies would violate these teachings, although he doesn't actually say that. Jesus also said, in answering Pontius Pilate, "If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from this world." I think this shows Jesus acknowledged the reality that worldly kingdoms must sometimes fight, even as they seek peace in the larger sense, and love their enemies in a sense as well. I'm definitely not trying to judge whether or not Bush has actually pulled this off.

Balmer's other quote is about Jesus' teaching that God cares even about the smallest sparrow, and he seems to interpret that as a teaching that we should also care for the environment. That seems like a reasonable application to me. But the larger point of that teaching, at least as I read it, was about God's care for people. Jesus basically said if God cares even for the littlest sparrow, how much more does he care for you. So that could theoretically line up with an environmental policy that cares about the sparrows, but values human interests even higher.

Prior to bombing Afghanistan, displacing the Taliban and getting the UN's approval for a coalition to invade Iraq, I was surprised that our Christian President did not invoke this Old Testament Passage, which is occassionally used at weddings:

Ecclesiastes 3 :

1To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

2A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

3A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;

4A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;

5A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;

6A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;

7A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;

8A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

9What profit hath he that worketh in that wherein he laboureth?

10I have seen the travail, which God hath given to the sons of men to be exercised in it.

11He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.

12I know that there is no good in them, but for a man to rejoice, and to do good in his life.

13And also that every man should eat and drink, and enjoy the good of all his labour, it is the gift of God.

14I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.

15That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.

16And moreover I saw under the sun the place of judgment, that wickedness was there; and the place of righteousness, that iniquity was there.

17I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.

18I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.

19For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.

20All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

21Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

22Wherefore I perceive that there is nothing better, than that a man should rejoice in his own works; for that is his portion: for who shall bring him to see what shall be after him?

Prior to bombing Afghanistan, displacing the Taliban and getting the UN's approval for a coalition to invade Iraq, I was surprised that our Christian did not invoke this Old Testament Passage, which is occassionally used at weddings:

Ecclesiastes 3 :

1To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

2A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

3A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;

4A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;

5A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;

6A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;

7A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;

8A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

9What profit hath he that worketh in that wherein he laboureth?

10I have seen the travail, which God hath given to the sons of men to be exercised in it.

11He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.

12I know that there is no good in them, but for a man to rejoice, and to do good in his life.

13And also that every man should eat and drink, and enjoy the good of all his labour, it is the gift of God.

14I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.

15That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.

16And moreover I saw under the sun the place of judgment, that wickedness was there; and the place of righteousness, that iniquity was there.

17I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.

18I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.

19For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.

20All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

21Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

22Wherefore I perceive that there is nothing better, than that a man should rejoice in his own works; for that is his portion: for who shall bring him to see what shall be after him?

sorry terra,
the right not to be offended doesn't exist in the consitution so you'll just have to suck it up. the first amendment doesn't protect speach you like.
if you feel that bad about the big, bad atheist cabal making fun of you, feel free to stand up for yourself. that kind of speach is also protected.

Professor Balmer asks the obvious questions of Christian candidates. I would ask a different set of questions:
1. Do you realize that biblical scholarship has exploded the orthodox interpretations of Jesus and the origins of the Church?
2. Do you realize that Christianity is probably at best a terrible misunderstanding of Jesus and at worst a fraud?
3. Do you realize that there is no rational basis for being a Christian?

With the Koran as their bible, who would ever vote for a Muslim?
With the Old Testament as their bible, who would ever vote for a Jew?
With the New Testament as their bible, who would ever vote for a Christian?
With the Constitution as their bible, who would ever vote for an American?
This document must, by its application, endorse unjust wars, unfair trade practices, abuse of power, exploitation of minorites, neglect of children and the poor, exploitation of the environment, disregard for human rights, it supports discrimination, it favors corporate entities over it's citizens, it does not legislate a living wage for its citizens and it encourages excess in everything.
Is the Koran or the Bible any worse???
Think about it.
I think I'll follow Christ. He said "love your enemies."

Anonymous,

I have a sneaking thought that if Bush or his Born Again brothern had their druthers, they would druther that all Witches and other Neo Pagans would be in one of their Black Holes for retraining...say in the Crystal Cathedral, or Bob Jones University...maybe getting a silver thing ring. ( I think that is really weird, about as weird as the father/daughter ball where she promises to stay pure for good ole dad.)

In fact I bet ya they are angry that the Muslims beat them to the Burqua. Have you seen the Baptist women in the long hair, full length sleeves and long skirts in the heat of the Louisiana summers? But they will talk about Muslim women wearing head scarves?

I will never vote for a Fundie of any stripe. The only oath I want to know that a candidate swore to is to the citizens of these United States. I would rather a Humanist...

I am also getting tired of being in the middle of those Fundies that say I am going to hell...and the Atheists that just think I am silly and gullible. I think it is time that we as a nation decide that ALL people have the right to be respected. Period. And we also should demand that the Constitution be followed..and NO, no where in that foundation document does it say we are a Christian nation.

terra

If Only!!

Of course George's answer was his first LIE of his Presidnetial ambition...probably not! I'm sure the 10 Comandments say something about truth; but George skipped that and went direct to speaking with the ole boy! Then I guess he never listen, only talked! Something along the lines of "I know you planned an Armageddon and I want to do my part to make it happen..as soon as possible!"

Whatever shall we do with you, Professor Balmer! How could you insinuate that Dubya might not grieve over even a single fallen sparrow -- when he's consistently demonstrated such assiduous, handwringing concern for the welfare of each and every minuscule stem cell?

As to the Vice Prez, here's how consistently he practices what he preaches:

He's the guy who loves to MAKE all them sparrows fall.

What further illustration of the intrinsic fallacy of McCain's logic could we possibly require?

-- A fellow "Frozen Chosen"

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Steve B,

Your right!!

Let me rephrase: "With the koran as their operating manual, who would vote for a Muslim???"

"With the OT as their operating manual, who would vote for a Jew???"

With the the anti-female, anti-Semitic content of Paul's epistles, who would vote for a Christian??"

However, historical analyses shows the following:

The OT is mostly myth.

The offending epistles of Paul were actually written by psuedo-Pauls and should be deleted from the NT.

Mohammed although illiterate, dictated his message of plundering and pillaging to his hallucinating scribes.

"Suppose, for instance, that when Bush declared that Jesus was his favorite philosopher, someone had asked a follow-up question. “Mr. Bush, Jesus told his followers to be peacemakers and invited them to love their enemies. How would those principles guide your foreign policy, especially in the event of, say, a foreign attack on the United States?” Or: “Mr. Bush, Jesus, your favorite philosopher, expressed concern for the tiniest sparrow. How will that sentiment shape your environmental policies?”"

Or how about:

Mr. Bush: The Bible states that one should suffer no witch to live. Do you believe the law should be changed to include the death penalty for witches?

I really wish people were able to separate between their professional and private lives. Anyone running for office has the obligation to serve all the people, not only the select few who agree with their private views.

This country is a secular country in regards to politics and candidates would be well advised to take that into consideration before even making a run for office. Too bad that most people are incapable of doing so.

With that in mind, I will vote for the person who is a moderately religious rather than a born-again fundamentlist. The last thing we need is someone who is President and Pope at the same time.

Nice to see we've got off to a typical start, ConcernedChristian...

"With the Bible as their Bible, who would ever vote for a Christian?" The Old Testament is terrifyingly violent, vengeful and intolerant. Women have plenty of reasons in the Old and New Testaments not to vote for anyone who follows it closely. I'm non-christian, so if I was focusing on a candidate's attachment to the Bible I wouldn't vote for them either.

Thank goodness then that people ignore the book and try to live good lives instead. When they're not too busy making cheap remarks about other faiths.

With the koran as their bible, who would ever vote for a Muslim??????