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The Stolen Diamond

Are you going to surrender this falsehood of unworthiness that has a grip upon your heart and mind, Rcofield, and accept the truth, that becaue of the apriori Love of the Father for you, that you have intrinsic worth before God as you are? Actually a very large degree of worth. And it is because of that worth, that Jesus Christ came to save you? Like plucking a diamond out of the hands of those thieves who stole it from the very treasure chest of God so long ago?

Rcofield, what is the story that INFALLIBLE scripture tells us about God’s love for you personally? And please explain the reason for your silence on this subject. And please address the implications associated with this interesting scenario, where you appear to harbor, as a Baptist Minister, a belief structure, that is at odds with the central teaching in scripture regarding God's Love.

For example, your statement, “I know enough of my own sinfulness to understand that I could never be a worthy object of the sacrificial death of the spotless Lamb of God. If I were worthy of salvation it would not be exclusively a work of God's grace. (Eph. 2:8-10) I am counted worthy of eternal life exclusively on the ground of Christ's justifying work of redemption.” Appears to directly contradict this key teaching:

John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

This teaching tells us that the Love of God for the people in this world, pre-existed the sacrifice of the Lamb. In other words, the sacrifice of the Lamb, was made possible only because God loved the people of this world. The love came first, the sacrifice came second. If God did not love the people in this world first, there would have been no sacrifice of the Lamb.

For God our Father to have love for the soul, even in the fallen condition, tells us that He sees value in that soul. By definition, to love is to see value. And scripture tells us that God loved the people of this world, and therefore, saw value in the people of this world, so much so, that he would send his son Jesus to bring us home.

When you say, “I am counted worthy of eternal life exclusively on the ground of Christ's justifying work of redemption.” this appears to be in error. You are counted worthy of eternal life, because God loves you, and loved you prior to the mission of Jesus Christ. That is where your worth is, in God’s love for you.

And so, I would repeat my previous statement, “if you accept the premise that it is the desire of God your Father to return you to the full stature of the Divine and Heavenly Identity which was yours before the Fall, and that it is the mission of the Master Jesus Christ to work with you to bring about this reunion with your prior Golden Identity, you can see, then, that one category of dirty garments that must be stripped off and thrown aside, are all ideas and feelings of unworthiness.”

The first step in throwing away the garments of unworthiness is to stop clinging to them, as if they defined who you are. Actually, against this bright backdrop of the Truth of God’s Love, all ideas and feelings of unworthiness are exposed to be patterns of falsehood.

Rcofield, if you please, please give the scriptural references that support your belief that God our Father has no love for you personally.

Rcofield says, “I know enough of my own sinfulness to understand that I could never be a worthy object of the sacrificial death of the spotless Lamb of God. If I were worthy of salvation it would not be exlusively a work of God's grace. (Eph. 2:8-10) I am counted worthy of eternal life exlusively on the ground of Christ's justifying work of redemption.”

It sounds to me like you are making a case here that God your Father has no love for you personally. Is that the way you actually feel, that God your Father has no love for you personally?

Do you have a scriptural basis for this belief that God your Father has no love for you personally?

GOLDENEAGLES,

Rcofield, if you are so inclined, you can use the WAPO messaging system to let MrMeaner, Peterhuff, Walter-in-Fallschurch, know about the new forum thread.

Thanks for the tip. I'll do that.

...one category of dirty garments that must be stripped off and thrown aside, are all ideas and feelings of unworthiness.

I know enough of my own sinfulness to understand that I could never be a worthy object of the sacrificial death of the spotless Lamb of God.

If I were worthy of salvation it would not be exlusively a work of God's grace. (Eph. 2:8-10)

I am counted worthy of eternal life exlusively on the ground of Christ's justifying work of redemption.

Rcofield, if you are so inclined, you can use the WAPO messaging system to let Psolus know about the new forum thread. (A seperate post for Psolus was required because the forum software allows only three Links per post.)

Rcofield, if you are so inclined, you can use the WAPO messaging system to let MrMeaner, Peterhuff, Walter-in-Fallschurch, know about the new forum thread.

Rcofield, if you accept the premise that it is the desire of God your Father to return you to the full stature of the Divine and Heavenly Identity which was yours before the Fall, and that it is the mission of the Master Jesus Christ to work with you to bring about this reunion with your prior Golden Identity, you can see, then, that one category of dirty garments that must be stripped off and thrown aside, are all ideas and feelings of unworthiness.

PETERHUFF, WALTERINFALLSCHURCH, GOLDENEAGLES, MRMEANER,

Hope you find your way here. Let me know if/when you do.

Our old thread:

http://onfaith.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/panelists/frank_pavone/2011/02/tightrope_of_religion_and_politics.html

"anti-Muslim hysteria in conservative circles" is shameful. And any Christian who participates in this hysteria is not a mature Christian, but promoting hatred and justifying injustice out of fear.
We should be anti-terrorist, not anti-muslims. Don't forget Timothy McVeigh - he was not a muslim. We have to hate the act, not a vague group of people because they happen to have the same religion.