Retreat, Hillary

By the way do the "Post a comment" guidelines apply to Sally Quinn's as well? Seems not eh, as you note "....comments that include profanity or personal attacks or other inappropriate comments or material will be removed from the site." Shouldn't this apply to the general's daughter too? Alas Sally Quinn's writing is just squalid. Where is the religion? This is the stuff of a social and intellectual heathen whose instincts cannot resist the gutter.

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I had posted earlier but I feel compelled to note even more forcefully how ridiculous all this is. This is so absurd one wonders if Russert, being a normal person (it is said),might recoil at all this. This worship of him, this wacky elevation of him, this untenable and ridiculous idea that he should be compared to true historical figures says way more about our pop-celebrity culture, and the self-love among the media than it does about Russert. And finally, does anyone really think that having humble origins makes you, wherever you are, actually a better person per se?

No wonder readership at the Post is declining. If they publish more garbage like this it will fall even further. Hate to be Freudian here but I believe Ms. Quinn is describing herself. Insert Sally Quinn each time Hillary's name appears and you'll get the message.

Sally,

I couldn't have said it better. You nailed it ! You have an uncanny sense of smelling where the rotten fish lay. Thank you for having the courage and the insight to say what needed to be said. Bravo !

Why would Hillary need to leave town to find out who she is? People like you and the rest of the media have told her exactly who she is. Why would anyone need any more insight than that!

Evita doesn't go on retreats.

Gee, here I was thinking it was Barack Obama that I didn't know well enough after 16 months. Now Sally, you tell me it is Hillary Clinton I don't know after 16 years and neither does she. If I were only as 'clear headed' as yourself.

I can't think of anything more soothing for a woman to do than to go away and stop thinking. Passion can take so much out of a lady. All those facts and figures...all those policy ideas...it's enough to give you frown lines! It doesn't hurt if she leaves town and stops talking as well.

I'm one of those ubiquitous "older women" who got caught up in all the detail of the Clinton campaign. I totally missed the "promise of a new way" that came out of the Obama revivals, but then as a non-believer I am one of the fools who doesn't get how the new gentler "can't we all just get along" way of governing is going to sweep the nation, bringing Republicans to the table in the spirit of love and desire to minister to the needs of the people. Details...who needs them!

I WILL vote for Obama in November because even the promise of a tiny bit more liberal agenda blows away the promise of more war and a pandering President McCain. (That is if I haven't given up 'thinking' entirely by then)

Additionally, a "sebatical" is not a religiious experience. How can you be soooo dumb unless you want to be insulting?

Such trash; Dear Sally, first Methodists reacted against 'retreats' when their protestant precursors began their attempt to improve Roman catholicism. Heaven knows 'Christianity for the working classes' as it was defined then and now would have no need for an interior spiritual sense. Can you remember? Second a 'silent retreat' is one you, personally, would have no reason to take otherwise you wouldn't talk about it. A retreat is a very personal matter about which you and your writing knows nothing- why would you. Please have respect for that about which you have no intelligence.

I can't believe anyone, let alone another woman, is still flogging Hillary for stupid things like her hairstyle and clothing. Come on, this is 2008! Let's talk issues and stop focusing on the superficial. Women will never get anywhere in politics if the press and public can't focus past their hair and makeup. It's disgusting.

Those most set upon saving the souls of others are so often the ones most in need of saving them selves.

Sally is still stinging from Clinton's turndown of her lunch invitation 16 years ago. Wow does she hold a grudge.

WaPo...this is NOT journalism. This is ridiculous. How ironic that she says Senator Clinton only became a Senator because of her husband. Everyone in Washington knows Sally is where she is because she is married to Ben Bradlee, former WaPo Editor.

Sally, no one takes you seriously so PLEASE go on a permanent retreat yourself.

Sally, you are one of the most condescending, eltist advertisements for the phoniness of religiosity.
I won't even begin to take you on point by point.
"Physician, heal thyself".
Good God, why do they let these people have columns, besides being the husband of the former editor?

What does Sally Quinn want? Who is the real Sally Quinn? What should she do now? What will she do?

I have a suggestion.

She should take a summer sabbatical from punditry and go on a retreat. A silent retreat.

Sally Quinn has been through decades of grueling duty as a courtier in the salons of power, diligently helping her kind to put and keep those unspeakably vulgar Democratic political leaders from the provinces in their rightful place. One can only imagine the psychic and spiritual toll that so many years of this type of work must take on one's social betters!

So, for her own sake, Sally Quinn should say goodbye to all that: No more luncheons and cocktail parties spent hobnobbing with the power elite. No more snide derision lightly masked as concern for another's welfare. No more misogynist diatribes artfully presented as meditations on the power of faith.

Break free of it all, Sally Quinn! Break free! I'm sure you will come back a better woman, if not a better courtier.

What we write, what we say, can reveal a lot about what we are.

I've watched Hillary Clinton for many years. And until this election have been fairly impartial about her. From everything I know about Hillary, nothing you say about her makes even remote sense to me. If you see these terrible things in her, I can only conclude that you are transferring your own experiences or character on her.

If what you write tells me who you are, then I really know a lot about you, Ms. Quinn.

"User reviews and comments that include profanity or personal attacks or other inappropriate comments or material will be removed from the site."

Pity that doesn't apply to Ms. Quinn.

Quinn, you're nuts. That was the silliest piece of nonsense I've ever read. Most of the comments here have been too kind to you.

Also, to the other commenters, I'm laying thirty to one that the responses to her tripe won't cause Quinn to indulge in even a moment's reflection. She'll dismiss it all as "venomous Hilary supporters", or something like that. Introspection just isn't done by clowns like her. She wouldn't trouble their beautiful mind with it.

I absolutely positively don't like Hillary Clinton, I think she is CRAZY!!!

But the person that wrote this article must be on something.

Sally, you're jealous and envious of Hillary - it comes through your article - you wish you're Hillary, that's why you're chipping away at her glory with your bile criticism and sarcasm. You and Maureen Dowd should hang-out together - I could just imagine how lethal your conversations would be. By the way, you should also hang-out with Michelle Obama and Barack who would talk behind our backs about how bitter we are and GD America.

a presumptuous sermon from Sally Quinn, the queenbee of Beltway media society, who achieved her lofty perch as the Washington Post's moral arbiter by sleeping her way to the top and finishing the bust-up of her boss' marriage. She now presumes to pronounce on moral matters in the feature "On Faith." In the current edition, she is absolutely Christlike in her judgment of Clinton as possessing "naked ambition" and a "lust for power"; as inauthentic, and, finally, perhaps in need of finding a "loving relationship." Quinn apparently still hasn't forgiven Hillary for spurning a luncheon invite back in 1993. Many contend it was all downhill for the Clintons with the media pack in D.C. after that.

Better still-you go. Let Hillary write your column. I'd rather hear her voice than yours.

It is odd that you would offer up a retreat outside of Mrs. Clinton's own tradition. If she felt the need for a retreat, there are certainly enough Christian options she could take advantage of without getting into eastern meditation.

I agree with many, though, that this is not a sympathetic article. Phrases like "naked ambition, lust for power" do not hint at any honest care for Mrs. Clinton. This really reads more like gloating over her loss in the primaries.

I do think that Hillary need some time to relax after 16 months on the campaign trail. But i suggest that she go back to her summer cottage, grab a case of Budwiser and a couple bottles of Jack pull out her six shooters a blast away at the empties...so relaxing..

Best damn analysis of what went wrong for Hillary that's been written to date. This was the central problem: who the hell is she really?
People said that she was not likeable. I think this is why people felt uncomfortable. The two-fer option may have worked for Bill because he seemed - for all his flaws - to be authentic. Didn't work that way for Hillary...

This is the trashiest, most pompous article I have ever read. I think the author may be describing herself, not Hillary Clinton.

What makes Sally Quinn an authority on the status of Hillary's attainment of peace and fulfillment?

What kind of female viper would write such an article?

What, were you feeling a little threatened by Hillary's run for the highest office in the land? This must be your last gasp. After all, it's over. You'll have to go find someone else to spew your venom on.

Ms. Quinn: Hillary has fought the good fight and deserves credit for doing so. I, for one, would be very sorry to see her in "retreat." She has an abundance of energy and a great deal of savvy - something our nation needs.

It would be preferable to see the multi-chinned Fred Kagan and other neocon advisers to McCain go off on retreat. They might also consider how to fight Aids rather than planning how to bomb Iran.

What makes Sally think Hillary "clearly" hasn't attained peace or fulfillment? If there's one thing I found certain about her during her run for the Democratic presidential nomination, it's that she knows exactly who she is and what she wants to achieve. Her poise, her indefatigably warm smile, her sense of playfulness, her resilience, all spoke to me of a person complete in themselves.

Sally is playing the Maureen Dowd role once again, projecting her own feelings upon Hillary and exposing her own biases. Hillary's faith is well documented, and I doubt she needs advice from Sally Quinn on how to explore it.

It's so interesting how you and others belittle Hillary and seem to know what is BEST for her. I think she is a remarkable woman who has paved the way for our daughters and grandaughters. I don't see her as that evil contriving person that so many see. I see a hard working, caring, intelligent women who has done nothing but work for all of us to have a better life. Oh wait a minute...not for the Millionaires that the the 7 years have been catered to and made more wealthy. I think people should leave her alone and let her think for herself as to what she wants to do now...or maybe you and all those people that think they know what is best for her should have some of us tell you what to do with your life and thoughts! Or, maybe I already did!!!
D. from Maine

Maybe she just needs to divorce Bill so she can stand and be judged on her own two feet.

get real. This country really needs to hear your petty gossip.

Quinn sounds like a jealous old woman. Who does she think she is advising Hillary? We already know from her many appearances on TV that she hates Hillary & her husband, so any advice she has to give certainly wouldn't be in her best interest.

What garbage. How could you possibly think you are qualified to stand in judgment and offer this type of analysis or advice-giving? Maybe you need a time-out.

Sally,

Your bible seems to read different than mine. Mine talks of love and understanding not judging others, rather reconciliation, caring, healing, and bringing people together. Your cutting remarks, reek of criticism, a judgmental superiority, a back handed way of dividing people of good will.

You smell like the storied Wolf in sheep’s clothing. But since you get paid for these kinds of hatchet jobs, you get to tell your god on judgment day that you were only doing your job. Oh, wasn't that a line use by the prison camp guards?

I find your assessment of Hillary Clinton to be unfounded, simplistic, biased and consequently stupid. You have missed 99% of her life and achievements. Before trying to give any type of advice to a person, please try to do your homework first and then, and only then, talk.

She found herself long ago, and what she found has meaning and value. You on the other hand spew trash and stand for all that is wrong with America, the spin, the lies, the hatred, the war, the death, the unjust treatment of others. Try a Silent Retreat and think about it.

PLEASE spare me the sacrifices!

She is a politcal opportunist like her husband. I doubt she has one shred of altruism in her body. She knew what she was doing. And since you have played the "hurt wife" card and are speculating on their relationshiop, how about Bill putting up with 30 years of a shrill shreaking sham of a marriage with a frigid woman?

PLEASE spare me the sacrifices!

She is a politcal opportunist like her husband. I doubt she has one shred of altruism in her body. She knew what she was doing. And since you have played the "hurt wife" card and are speculating on their relationshiop, how about Bill putting up with 30 years of a shrill shreaking sham of a marriage with a frigid woman?

For a woman who is a mere footnote in her husband's "Wikipedia" entry (and does not have one of her own), Quinn seems to have a lot of opinions about how powerful women who are married to powerful men should think, feel, and behave. Fortunately, most intelligent women will see through the idiocy and remember that this is a woman who has always gained her notariety through her husband.

Stands to reason that she would make this sophmoric critique of Hillary Clinton, given that Clinton is a strong, focused, accomplished, articulate, determined, and fantastically intelligent senior politician while Quinn gave up a job as a real reporter to take on the position of society hostess.

Hillary Clinton doesn't need to "go away for awhile" to gain insight. She's got wads of it, oddles, even. She knows who she is, what she wants, and -- most important now for the Democratic Party -- how she can contribute. In contrast, after all these years, Sally still hasn't shaken off that taint of imposter.

What nerve you have presuming to know what is best for Hillary Clinton. You might well take your own advice.
There are many of us who believe Hillary RODHAM (hello? she kept her name) Clinton is who she has always has been: extremely intelligent, thoughtful, a loving mother and wife and an extraordinary public servant.
The only thing she needs right now is a nice vacation, period.

Perhaps Hillary needs less of a silent retreat than you, her haters, who are more vocal, harsh on our sensibilities, and far less constructive.

I think you, the media and the pundits, need to take regular sabbaticals to do some insight thinking into your own minds. There is a certain phenomenon in the media wherein you can easily get caught up in your own celebrity culture...truly not in the interests of creative, individualistic, instructive writing.

Hillary Clinton is a remarkably fine person, and proved to be an extraordinary candidate. That she ran against someone you came to adore in a romantic, childish vision, made her the devil to you. So it is you who needs purging, because the devil is really in you, not Senator Clinton.

Excellent suggestion. I just have slight issue with the timing.

Instead of a few weeks in a retreat, I for one would be willing to help fund a 20-year retreat for Hillary.

This is a total piece of trash. Why does this person have a job?

Feh.

Very interesting. Usually people just let the Clinton haters spit their venom and that's that. But Hillary obviously connected with a lot of people and they liked her, maybe even cared about her, because she seems to care about them. Wow!

And now when you attack her you did it back in your face - and you haters are shocked, startled when other people ask you what you did for the nation or anyone except yourself - well get used to it - we don't have time to attack each other any more - its time to rebuild America or get out of the way.

Ummm...ok. who knew all a 60 year old had to do was a little yoga to find themselves...

Sally, with all your getting, why don't you get thee some understanding?

For 16 years now, you have shamed yourself when writing about the Clintons, two brilliant, charismatic and seemingly very devout human beings who you seem at think are from the wrong side of town. Have you nothing charitable to say about them? If not, why not?

Scientific experiments show, that once someone has a bias he will use all his intellectual power to corroborate this bias.

Quinn and most of the other Hillary haters appear to me, from Europe, as someone who has a psychosomatic relieve feeling to spout the hatred against Hillary, similar to a good emptying of one's bowels.

A different hairdo! How horrible, what a liar! Forgiving her husband, what a character wanting wimp!
Loving her daughter, pimping her to ....(insert choice).

Aspiring to be president, what a stupid, insane, overbearing attitude for a person who aspires to be president.... and so on.

No, Sally Quinn, you are a major, saddening disappointment on the other side of the pond.

Ms. Quinn: Have you no sense of decency? What an utterly misogynistic piece of drivel. Does it make you popular with the boys? Get a grip, and be a real woman for a change.

Too bad I didn't go on a silent retreat before I clicked on this article. My favorite comment by far, thank you Don, still laughing:
'I've found great "peace and fulfillment" reading the comments describing your smug, clueless, talentless column far better than I ever could.'

JJ, you have just proved without a shadow of doubt why you are not allowed to post comments. Too many people have been complaining about your spamming and political campaign.

Yet you beat the system by posting from different computers.

Getting a health a professional's opinion about your compulsion to spam is a good investment of your time and an act of kindness to those who feel uncomfortable about your posts.

Keep your posts relevant and nobody will complain.

I've found great "peace and fulfillment" reading the comments describing your smug, clueless, talentless column far better than I ever could.

OOOOOMMMMM

Ms. Quinn,

You are a perfect example of what is wrong with Washington. You are a sick, depraved woman that cannot hold a candle to Hillary Clinton.

Whao! Uhhh!

Old Malay saying: "When someone is drowning, don't push his/head down in the water".

Ms. Quinn : "Once in the White House she changed her hairdo, her style of dressing and her mannerisms so often that it seemed to some that she was suffering from multiple personality disorder."

* Hilary's on the cutting edge of fashion. Very with it. Or, fashion houses would go out of business if people are not like her. Shows awareness of trends too.

* Changing hairdo, style of dressing and mannerism sounds appropriate for different occasions. No point wearing a Chanel evening gown and dripping with diamonds and adopting a cooly haute and sophisticated manner during a 4th of July barbeque.

* Oh, Hilary can always be an actress in Hollywood movies for her flexibility to change hairdo, style of dresssing and mannerisms. She has Hollywood contacts, no? Say, to replace what's her name in "Commander In Chief" TV series.

Ms Quinn : "She (Hilary) was the health care maven, then the hostess, then, after Monica, the victimized wife again,standing by her man."

* Wonderful. Hilary sounds like she's able to do multi-tasking. As Commander in Chief/President of the US of A, she can host a state dinner for the Emperor and Empress of Japan, order to bomb country X by winking at her Secretary of Defence during dinner, and then stand by her randy philandering man at a press conference after that dinner saying, "I am very proud of my husband Bill." without missing a heartbeat.

Ms. Quinn : "One minute she (Hilary) was strident, then shrill, then weeping, then gracious and calm."

* Nooooo, not "strident", but determined and firm. Not "shrill", but asssertive. Not "weeping", but emphatising and showing her human side, her feminine side, her senstive side so lauded if Hilary is a "he". Then gracious and calm? Sounds like she knows how to control her emotions after all.

Anything and something we should know about between you two ladies on personality clashes or opinion differences before? Come now. You both do have something in common. You're both blondes.

And bravo for Hilary Clinton! In spite of the baggage of Bill and all that, she made history! And made it easier, made it possible, made it viable for American women to bid for the Presidency in the future.

Cheers

"J"

This article shows the deep spirituality that lives within Sally Quinn?

Oh, barf, Sally.

Aaaagh! Will you and Tim Shriver quit this public discussion of Hilary's spiritual needs? I really think it's kind of up to her.... And if you have a suggestion, take it to her, not to the public at large.

Though, I suppose we could have a vote on it.... If we all agree she should go contemplate her navel for awhile, does that mean she has to do it?

Let's also have a vote on whether Senator McCain should take communion this Sunday and maybe what church Senator Obama should join now that he's no longer a member of Trinity. Because it's all a public decision, right?

According to society sources, Sally invited Hillary to a luncheon when the Clintons came to town in 1993. Sally stocked her guest list with her best buddies and prepared to usher the first lady into the capital’s social whirl. Apparently, Hillary didn’t accept. Miffed, Sally wrote a catty piece in the Post about Mrs. Clinton. Hillary made sure that Quinn rarely made it into the White House dinners or social events. In return, Sally started talking trash about Hillary to her buddies, and her animus became a staple of the social scene.

www.salon.com/media/1998/03/09media2.html

Err, JJ, your 'submission' keeps 'failing...' Cause you *spam.*

Try typing a post like a human being... in one place. Like you were part of the discussion.

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Check out Kim Lawton over at PBS' Religion & Ethics Newsweekly as she discusses religion and politics:
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/blog/

Hmmm, I reread your condescending piece of trite and it reminded me of something. Something long forgotten. A play of some kind that I had read as a senior in High School about some unrequited lady who goes off to a sanitorium for the self-actualized and then to Africa as a missionary of sorts.
As I recall, the husband and wife of the play, the shallow and burned out idly rich come to realize that they are done desiring much of anything, including each other. But in the end, they agree to live with being merely content together instead of happy. Perhaps they find themselves incapable of anything greater and finally "know themselves".
Oh, well, good luck with your cocktail parties, Ms. Quinn. You won't have Hillary to kick around anymore and will have to turn your attention to some new distraction. But I am sure you will overcome the embarrassment of looking ridiculous.

Oh, my gosh Sally, polyester??? And Hamburger Helper... right out of the box, I'll bet. LOL. You've got them riled up all right. You know the threads of the WaPo used to be exclusively the purview of the Hillary Helpers (right out of the box) and they are having a terrible time dealing with the "trolls" and people who do not see their Hillary as the greatest gift to women since women got the vote.

What a piece of claptrap.

Mrs. Clinton has no intention of folding her tent and disappearing. We can all be thankful for that. She's a leader and an inspiration to many, many people (try 18 million).

The only person that needs to go away and be silent is Sally Quinn. Enough of her character assassination. Go away, Sally, and soon.

sally, sally, what are we going to do with you? you and others like you do not have the capacity to understand a well rounded personality; the ability to see a woman able to roll with the punches and come back with more knowledge to go forward, smarter and stronger. you are compartmentalized, you think singularly, you do not see the dream and ask why not!!! your most often used words are "i can't" and "i am a women". you are so down trodden by men that you sit in your slot that has been delegated to you by men, that you cannot let another women break out without putting her down. why can't women be all the things you critisize hilary for? oh that's right, your 4 walls do not let you see beyond your sex. you and your rant is just another form of sexism. pitiful!!!!!

Like every other person Hillary Clinton will do what she wants to do. What she can do will be the determining factor in doing what she wants to do, like all the rest of us. What she now knows she can't do is be the Democrat's nominee for president this time around. Next time around is clearly out of sight for her.

Maybe a labyrinth or even a Buddhist temple and meditate on it, what she wants that she can get? I saw someone that could have been her crying in the chapel already. The tears she shed were not tears of joy even though crying is the chapel is advertised as such.

sally, sally, what are we going to do with you? you and others like you do not have the capacity to understand a well rounded personality; the ability to see a woman able to roll with the punches and come back with more knowledge to go forward, smarter and stronger. you are compartmentalized, you think singularly, you do not see the dream and ask why not!!! your most often used words are "i can't" and "i am a women". you are so down trodden by men that you sit in your slot that has been delegated to you by men, that you cannot let another women break out without putting her down. why can't women be all the things you critisize hilary for? oh that's right, your 4 walls do not let you see beyond your sex. you and your rant is just another form of sexism. pitiful!!!!!

This venomous column is no surprise, given your personal animus for the Clintons ever since they declined to kiss your ring.

Sally Quinn, the self-appointed arbiter of Washington's social scene, who thinks the Clintons are little more than white trash simply because Hillary Clinton declined her invitation to a luncheon.

"When she ran for Senate and won it was largely because of her marriage to Bill Clinton."

Honey, your own career didn't take off until you married Ben Bradlee and it ended abruptly when you reported that a certain presidential adviser walked into a room with his fly undone on purpose.

Since this is a blog about religion, I hope in your next life, you are consigned to working two jobs, living paycheck to paycheck, eating Hamburger Helper, shopping at the Dollar Store, and wearing polyester.

So, what you are saying is that she should stoptrying to make the country better as she has since she worked to register voters in TX or worked for the Children's Defense Fund or the SCHIP program or helped to reform Arkansas' public schools. That unlike her opponent Barack Obama, who joined a church and spent 20 years in the pews without really getting to know its pastor, she is somehow "inauthentic" and needs to ditch her Methodism for some ashram in West Virginia. That she needs self awareness of her proper place in the world. Which would be what, exactly? Creating a space for self-important people to cynically snipe at the efforts of others? Whoops! I guess that job goes to you, Ms. Quinn.
Heck, starting your own fan club is tremendously easy. I've started a movement without even trying real hard and I'm not quite sure what to do with all of the energy of the people flocking to it. But I know one thing for sure: popularity is not a virtue. It is merely a state of being. Without a worthy goal, you are just a hostess of no real importance, leaving nothing of value to history. Perhaps you might like to take some time off, go on sabbatical, discover what it means to work for something you actually believe in. Yeah, and while you're at it, you might want to stop sniping at women who have as much ambition as men and twice the energy and commitment of your hardened, jealous self.
No one will miss you when you finally take leave of this earth, Ms. Quinn. I can guarantee that Hillary Clinton, who has already outclassed you in life, will triumph over you in death as well.

Your article is both mean and sad. It epitomizes what is so wrong in America today. You need to take some time off writing and find your soul again.

Your thoughts are sick and should not be foisted on the public. It's sad that you've allowed yourself to go to that ugly place and do it with glee, it would seem.

I hope my daughters always see through women like you as they grow and learn.

Quinn demonstrates here the ugliest form of faith better than Christopher Hitchens or Richard Dawkins ever could explain. The background on her pettiness is in the following Salon magazine story at:
http://www.salon.com/media/1998/03/09media2.html

THE(NOT SO) MIGHTY QUINN
"According to society sources, Sally invited Hillary to a luncheon when the Clintons came to town in 1993. Sally stocked her guest list with her best buddies and prepared to usher the first lady into the capital's social whirl. Apparently, Hillary didn't accept. Miffed, Sally wrote a catty piece in the Post about Mrs. Clinton. Hillary made sure that Quinn rarely made it into the White House dinners or social events.

In return, Sally started talking trash about Hillary to her buddies, and her animus became a staple of the social scene. "

"it must be something that gives her peace and fulfillment. Something she clearly has yet to attain."

Based on what? Did you ask her? Or just really good at reading minds?

LOL Such satire!

Sally Quinn ...you are a shame to the religion.
You are very dumb and stupid too.
Shame on you

Sally, in the words of Monty Python, you're a silly bunt. We remember the "it's not his town" column very well. Nothing you say about the Clintons is to be trusted.

What does this have to do with, and what does Ms. Quinn have to do with, faith?

the most condescending and smug bit of writing about Hillary I've ever seen , and all under the guise of spiritual advice. Read a description of Ms Quinn in Richard Cohen's entertaining article yesterday on Hillary-haters who can't let go

Under the guise of spiritual advice this is the most condescending and smug nonsense I've ever read about Hillary Clinton. I suspect that at least in part it inspired Richard Cohen's far wittier article yesterday about Clinton-haters who can't let go; if so it achieved something. Read the Cohen article and you'll get a good description of Sally Quinn.

You should be proud of Hillary not jealous of her.

Of everything I've ever read about Hillary Clinton this 'spiritual advice' by Sally Quinn for the senator is the most smug and condescending. For this perfectly coiffed journalist to suggest that there is a lack of meaning or purpose in Clinton's life, or that everthing she has achieved is the result of being married to Bill leaves me breathless. I'd like to think that this blog inspired Richard Cohen's much more entertaining article yesterday where he talks about what will happen to the Hillary-haters now. Sally Quinn - one of the medicated ones I wonder - obviously won't be moving on this week.

Listening to you say Hillary got where she is on her husband's coattails, when that is how you got where you are on Ben's coattails, is galling. What, you think your educationa and smarts would have been enough? I suppose Hillary thinks the same but we'll never really know. Somehow I can imagine her pulling it off on her own. Not so sure about you, especially if you are half as "strident, or shrill" as you say she is. You are the prime example of a woman who made her way via a man and then tears down other women.

As Camille Paglia brilliantly has written, Hillalry is Evita rerun. The cult of personality mascarading as populism.

Perhaps Hillary does need a retreat -- from condescending, pretentious, judgmental people like you.

Hillary is the champion of down-to-earth people everywhere. No wonder she doesn't appeal to you.

Cut her down all you will; you're not one tenth of the woman she is. Why don't you meditate on that?

She SHOULD spend her spare time figuring how to pay all the vendors she's stiffed.

But she'll spend it on her big fat enemies list.

ANd hopefully, those on the list, now that she has NO POWER (except with the truly dumb women who believe in her)

should write her a note saying nah nah nah nah NAH nah. And go to hell. Like I did.

WEll, I like the part about the GO AWAY.
But I'd add and STAY AWAY, PLEASE.

But why Quinn can't figure out who she is is baffleing.

She is a greedy, lying, do anything money grubbing pile of shrewish, ugly ambition.

She has to be ON STAGE, splitting people, polariziing, or she cannot stand it.

My own consolation, should she have become the nominee, was that the Republicans have an oppo research file that would've put her in her crooked place for ever. This way she goes on, at least for the stupid women who believed in her.
Her what? Ugliness, lying, what?

She lost the race because Americans have hated her since day number one. Americans aren't stupid, mostly.

Dear Ms Quinn,

You are truly an evil woman. Every time that you carp away at Mrs Clinton as you are doing here, you show that are not half the woman that she is . I hope that one day you will come to terms with your own feelings of inadequacy. Its you who need time to silently reflect.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/11/us/politics/11clinton.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1213189272-UH4JTgrOGxw+eIJqNAv1qQ

Oh, Sally, you are so in-sight-FULL!

But the Clintons don't think like you National Cathedral types!

Clintons engage in an eye for an eye, and the Clintons are already looking past the 2008 McCain Landslide to 2012, when Hillary will only be 64, and Obama will be more forgotten than Al Gore and John Kerry.

Maybe Hillary would appoint Obama as Ambassador to Zimbabwe?

Your "On Faith" column posted June 10, 2008, -Retreat Hillary - seems so un-faith based.

Do you really believe that you are in a position to advise a candidate for U.S. Presidential nominee who received more votes than anyone in the history of primary elections how to best move forward with her life?

Hillary Rodham Clinton is this country's best woman since Eleanor Roosevelt.

Her loss by delegate count to Barack Obama is how the Democratic Party has once again snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

You and pundits like you are just too eager to criticize people especially a strong and brilliant woman whom you could never imagine emulating even in your most thoughtful silent times.

What an excellent idea! Kindly, a lot of us are just "tired" of the Clintons, especially of a perception that their sense of political entitlements has gone as "fur" as they should go.
My particular beef is her "carpetbagging" of the state of New York when she was still in the White House and that is just the beginning.

I feel sorry for Obama if the DNC and the state delegation from New York strong arm him into picking her (and Bill) for the Vice President. Obama just had his last happy day as a free man!!!!!

I believe your article truly has a touch of sincerity re what would be good for Billary. So,
away with it, let's roll!!!!!

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I can see it in the comments on this thread...Hillary Clinton has become the high priestess of a cult. She is divine, above the ordinary and not to be criticised. Her followers are extremely angry and not to be trifled with. She is wonderful, perfect, and poorly served by everyone but her followers who are going to go after anyone who says anything bad about their goddess. And you Sally Quinn are now in their sights. I think we just excaped a terrible calamity if these comments are indicative of life with Hillary as our supreme leader and her vestal virgins (or whatever)

The thing that gets me is Quinn's presumption that she knows the first thing about what's in Hillary Clinton's heart. Or that anyone -- her readers, or Senator Clinton -- would actually believe she has Hillary Clinton's best interests at heart.

I was no supporter of the Senator's, but Quinn's comments throughout this campaign have transcended catty to something far more evil. And what they have to do with religion, I have absolutely no idea.

But I'm sure all the people who hang out at her cocktail parties will wag their tongues in agreement with her. So, who cares what us hoi polloi think?

Your right on. It is hard to be your own person when you ride on the coat tails of others. She just comes from the wrong age and it was hard to step out of that slot. Some women have but few. She can not ride on being the wife of a cheating husband and man who made it to the top and hope that it will also take her to the top. It seems Bill has always used women and she had filled the slot for to long. She never seems happy with what she has and always wants more. I wonder if she knows what she wants to be. Maine voter

With Hillary off the front pages, we should all take a deep breath of fresh air. How sweet the thought of the power hungry Queen of Mean going silent for a while. How will she spend her sabattical? No doubt contemplating her next move, compiling her gargantuan enemies list and checking it right, and trying to hatch a way of replenishing her own coffers after that nasty campaign debt making, even if the "little people," the vendors, still have empty pockets in the end. Hey, it's all for a good cause, making the Chappaqua-ian candidate whole again, to fight another day. How Clintonian! In the meantime, breathe in the fresh air of Hill and Bill's absence while ye may!

Could this article have its origin in the knowledge that provocations draw many comments? (This one, a case in point).

Of course Clinton needs a holiday. Of course she changes, grows and develops her personality - everyone does, unless they reach a mental stand-still. I hope I will grow and make new discoveries well into my eighties.

I admire Clinton for not having a heart-attack after this murderous campaign.

I have a suggestion: Why don't YOU go away?

The suggestion by Sally Quinn to cultivate mindfulness is valuable not only for Senator Clinton but for every human being on the planet. The books written by Jon Kabat-Zinn are the best I have found for explaining mindfulness and it's importance. I also think children should be exposed to the subject in grade school. The payoff in calmness and better mental functioning would be enormous.

good idea!

Hillary needs to calm down, step down and slow down. Meditation and tranquility is always a good positive start to find oneself.

who ever said you were a journalist? You missed it.

Your contempt for Hillary Clinton comes shining through. And yet, she has accomplished far more than you have in your life. I know that you think that Washington is "Your town" and that the Clintons "trashed it." Yet the Bushes trashed the planet and you didn't say a peep. Hillary Clinton deserves far better than the dismissive treatment you give her. I wish YOU would go on a silent retreat!

Why does the subject of Hillary Clinton turn otherwise bright columnists into smug, insufferable bores? You must be channeling Maureen Dowd.

Sally Quinn.........perhaps it's time for you to go on retreat and find YOURSELF. I recall years ago when you rushed into a married man's life. Get over yourself..........like you're a changed woman....I doubt it. Hillary is so far superior to you and most women. So you've found religion....'bout time.

Newsflash: Another self-hating white woman writes a degrading and anti-feminist column, filled with stereotypical canards. She then collects a big paycheck for doing so, and goes home to her plastic husband and sends the maid for take-out.

Why are Washington Post readers repeatedly subjected to Sally Quinn's unbelievably self-righteous opinions and - in the case of Hillary Clinton - insulting and condescending recommendations? She really does love to kick the Clintons around - and the Post keeps giving her the spotlight to do it.

I was there - just a few feet away from the podium - when Hillary Clinton gave her magnificent campaign closer on Saturday. This is a woman who knows herself, her values, her commitments and her power. She has grown enormously in the past twenty years, and she needs no lessons in authenticity and grace from Sally Quinn or anyone else. Only the Washington press corps, which looks at the Clintons through a prism of well-cultivated contempt, could FAIL to see that Mrs. Clinton has touched so many millions (some against their initial inclinations)precisely because she already possesses amazing resources of grace, intelligence, humanity and will.

There are three anchors in Hillary Clinton's life, and Sally Quinn seems unable to accept the reality of any of them. 1) Hillary Clinton has a lifelong commitment to public service. She seeks power to pursue better and more inclusive public policies, not, as Quinn so acidly and repeatedly suggests, as an end in itself. 2) She loves her husband and family. Her marriage and how it works is NOT our business, a rule that Quinn and the other pundits would do well to respect--at last. 3) She is a person of faith, and by her own account, this sustains her through the many occasions when her other commitments cause her pain.

Balancing complex commitments is always challenging; doing so on a public stage is vastly harder. I have come to admire Hillary Clinton very deeply as I see her triumphing - against many odds and unending criticism - in creating a life that has been made rich through service, the love of her family, and the power of her spiritual maturity.

Campaigning across the United States SHOULD change a person, because it involves incredible learning, and learning leads to change. In Clinton's case, she has become a national icon - a voice indeed for those who are invisible - and also for the many women who are profoundly insulted by the insular arrogance of the media elite.

Ms Quinn should examine her own conscience --and her own advice. Her vow of future silence concerning the Clintons would be welcome news indeed.

If frequent change of hairdo and style of dressing are signs of multiple personality disorder, then this world is full of psychos.

It is easy for us to analyze what Hillary wants. Staying with Bill Clinton might be because she loves him, even with all his faults. There are many marriages that exist in that way. It is also easy for us to sit on the sidelines and Monday morning quaterback what goes on in her life. We are not behind closed doors. If every Washington personality's marriage was scritinized in the same way, would your column be about them? Why does Laura Bush stay with George with all his shortcomings? The list could go on and on. I am just tired of this woman being torn apart by newspaper and electronic analyst who have "I see it this way" mentality. What is so ironic is that there was a I HATE HILLARY movement when she was in the presidential race and now all of a sudden everyone has turned to compassionate understanding. That in itself is a sort of terrorism. I am one of the few who really believe that the over zealous scrutiny many times bordered on mean spirits. The Carolina remark was not racist. However, with a little push from the media the flame grew into a blazing inferno that left room for anything said after that to be inflammatory. Yes, I recognize that there were some statements made that were wrong by Senator Clinton and I don't dismiss them, but I watched the get Bill process grow everyday and I watched those who hated him and his wife go into a feeding frenzy. Major events in the country were ignored, gas prices, deaths in Iraq, foreclosures, etc. If there was an opportunity to get Bill and Hillary, everything else was minor. And now you purport to know what Hillary needs, and you want the nation to heal. All I have to say to that is back off. You no longer have her to kick around. Let her now make her own personal decisions without being shredded in analyzing by those who really don't give a damn. Bill, Hillary, and Chelsea should ignore the media and do their own thing now that the season of hatred is ALMOST over.

Hillary needs a retreat and you, missy, need to stay in the toilet until you get rid of all that crap that have you clogged.

Hillary needs a retreat and you, missy, need to stay in the toilet until you get rid of all that crap that have you clogged.

Mrs. Ben Bradlee, career Clinton-hater. Your jealousy knowns no bounds. You are a joke.

The author writes:

"Whatever it is, it must be something that gives her peace and fulfillment. Something she clearly has yet to attain."

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This may be the snottiest assertion that I have read in the Washington Post in a long, long time.

The good people of New York state elected Hillary to serve their interests. She spent 16 months pursuing her own which is understandable, but she really needs to go back to work and do her job. A summer sabbatical from the Senate is unreasonable. Bill went back to work this Monday and Obama took off only the weekend and was back on the trail. She doesn't need all summer to do nothing at the expense of the New York taxpayers.

The author writes:

"Whatever it is, it must be something that gives her peace and fulfillment. Something she clearly has yet to attain."

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This may be the snottiest comment I have read in the Washington Post in a long, long time.

Well, Mrs. Ben Bradley, the high priestess of the high tea set, a female who's only claim to fame is that which she garnered through her unctuous moaning in the marriage bed scheduled monthly between her manicures, pedicures, exfoliations, and jet-set parties deigns to offer her catty advise to a real women. Is there no end to tripe the WaPo will put in this once proud paper?

There is one thing most men learn as they mature and that is females like Mrs. Ben Bradley, females who trade on their looks, are no better than the average street hooker and no amount of Arbonne, Mary Kay, Channel, Decleor, L'anseur, Nouba, not even, Amazing Cosmetics and face lifts, boob jobs and butt lifts can cover up her true ugliness.

What the average American women would recommend to cure her self-absorption and self-importance would be to get a real job. In lieu of that, if the Wapo thinks keeping on third-rate writer is going to help their plummeting net margins then force her to commit to memory and repeat three before touching a keyboard the immortal words of Teddy Roosevelt:

"It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat."

And with all the triumphs and failures Hillary Clinton earned in the arena with the name of "it's a man's world" on it, Hillary has forgotten more about being a real women than Mrs. Ben Bradlee will ever know.

Ms Quinn, the last thing Africa needs is people coming over there to "help" while they attempt to find themselves. Why not help the AIDS victims in the US (which she would have done through her health care plan). Let's not pretend people can pop over to Africa (or India) and pretend to help with the goal of simply making themselves feel better. Luckily, Hillary is much sharper than that.

Dear Ms. Quinn,
While I don't, in the least, agree with the premise of your article, namely that Hillary Clinton doesn't seem to know who she is, I really regret that you linked your suggested remedy to your obvious bias and negativity toward her.
Actually, your suggestion is a good recommendation, although not for the reasons you stated.
Retreats are not intended to be a form of psychiatric treatment. They are not set up for the treatment of people who are emotionally or mentally ill, as your article seems to imply.
There are a number of excellent programs for silent retreats around the country which would be a great blessing to Senator Clinton, to assist her to come down from the monumental effort she has just completed.
There are numerous non-denominational retreat houses; others are established to serve different religious denominations.
My personal recommendation are retreat houses and programs offered by the Religious of the Cenacle, a Catholic religious order with numerous facilities spread out throughout the United States, not to mention numerous foreign countries around the world.
These retreat houses provide the milieu of a simple, comfortable atmosphere where, rested and relaxed, people can get in touch with God, with themselves and their aspirations, and consider what it is that they wish to do and what plans they may discern God has in store for them, to make good and strengthening decisions for their future.
Retreats provide a great service to people to let them stand quiet and still, to renew their deepest wishes for a productive life, to assess their progress thus far, and to gain the enthusiasm and commitment to go forward into the future.
Not only would it afford her an opportunity to get away from the many competing voices ringing in her ears, I'm sure, but it would give her a time to reflect on the entire experience and to develop her own personal attitudes toward what must have been both a rewarding and also bruising expericne and to draw lessons from all that she has learned from this effort.
Her decision to take a vacation with her family, surrounding herself with those nearest and dearest to her is an attempt to begin this evaluation. Seeking the opportunity of experiencing the peace and quiet of a retreat might be just the ticket to complete the process.
So while I didn't see her in the negative light you obviously did, I think your basic suggestion might be something she would find most helpful and rewarding.

This article is so completely sexist and tells us much more about the writer than it does about Hillary. Shame on you, Sally Quinn.

"Once in the White House she changed her hairdo, her style of dressing and her mannerisms so often that it seemed to some that she was suffering from multiple personality disorder."

Gee, I didn't realize these things--which most women do from time to time--marked us as mentally ill.

"Finally she announced, “I have found my voice.” What an odd thing for a 60-year-old woman to say. It simply didn’t have the ring of truth."

As a 60-year-old woman myself, I have found the struggle to "find my voice" to be a life-long work-in-progress. So I for one had no problem finding a "ring of truth" to Hillary's statement.

And I guess there's nothing wrong with Obama's "naked ambition" and "lust for power" in seeking the Presidency at his age and level of experience.

Oh, Sally, wife of a famous WP editor, a girl who married the boss--not that your status in ANY way is affected by THAT, of course of course--disparaging Hillary's accomplishments as "largely because of her marriage to Bill Clinton." I find it so disheartening that a woman, especially Sally Quinn Bradlee, could write these words about another woman.

I totally agree with you, Sally. Hilary has always tried to be what she thought she SHOULD be, rather than what her heart told her she wanted to be.

Sally, please reread what Hillary actually said about baking cookies. She was responding to attacks that she had a career separate from her husband and questions about whether she could be a "traditional" first lady. Her response was "I've done the best I can to lead my life. I suppose I could have stayed home and baked cookies and had tea, but what I decided to do was fulfill my profession, which I entered before my husband was in public life."

I agree with you on your suggestion for Hillary's exit. I felt sorry for her because of the many hats that she tried to wear. Being the wife of a repeated philandering man is a hard task. You totally lose yourself and your self esteem suffers a tremendous blow. She needs to divorce him and concentrate on just being who she was 40 years ago.

I agree with you on your suggestion for Hillary's exit. I felt sorry for her because of the many hats that she tried to wear. Being the wife of a repeated philandering man is a hard task. You totally lose yourself and your self esteem suffers a tremendous blow. She needs to divorce him and concentrate on just being who she was 40 years ago.

This condescending piece by Sally Quinn isn't even worth commenting about and I'm not even a Hillary supporter.

Sally Quinn needs to take a break also. Good god lady, if you take you're own verbal analysis of a candidate that seriously, it is you that needs to get your mind re-centered.

Is there some contest between Quinn and Maureen Dowd on who can be the most caddy female?

I'm no fan one way or the other of Hillary Clinton, but your material is reflective of a very disturbed person.

Suggestion: Don't take politics so personally.

Ellen Dougherty

The elitism and condescension Barack Obama has shown towards the average American is only solidified by Sally Quinn's snotty "suggestions" for Hillary Clinton.

Obama and his supporters are out of touch with reality..

LOOK-

"An explosion of rogue grassroots organizations coalesced literally over night to form one united Mega-Coalition:

JUST SAY NO DEAL

http://clintons4mccain.com/

Growing exponentially individually but infinitely together in one unifying mission, they are Obama’s worst nightmare.

The Just Say No Deal is made up of over 20 grassroots organizations and over 1 million subscribers thus far with one unifying mission:

OPERATION OBAMA"

18 million!18 million angry as h-e-double-l Hillary voters who are not going to take it anymore...they could prove their strength you know. They could put their money where their anger is. If each of those "angry not going to put up with it anymore" Hillary fans just stuck $1.00 in an envelope and put a 41cents stamp on it they could almost retire their brave and true dear leader's debt...ain't going to happen because even if they promoted a write in candidacy for Hillary Clinton she would no more get 18 million votes than Rev. Wright. Many of her votes were spoilers and not credible votes. IMO.

I think all you followers of Hillary Clinton should retreat on a very remote island and live together happly ever after

I've been in Obama's camp since Dec 2007. But I find it ironic how Sallly Quinn decries the derivative nature of HRC's status. Perhaps it takes one to know one.

Sally Quinn, you are so pitiful.

All women who have gone into powerful positions were close to men in powerful positions. That doesn't mean that doing the work they have to do doesn't earn them the right to lead. Hillary was one of the top 100 lawyers in the US before becoming First Lady of the US and would have done more if she hadn't been so bullied into being a more traditional First Lady. She has done her job as a Senator very conscientiously and well. In New York State, we love Bill but have no doubt who the senator is in the family. One of the saddest things that failed to come up in this election process was what it would be like to have a man as First Gentleman. Maybe Bill Clinton could have shared more insight into how to bring the job into more modern times. If Hillary chooses to rest, that's fine but for religious reasons? A journalist is writing in the Washington Post to comment on her religious issues? I don't remember her pastor coming out and saying things like God Damn America or that she rejected him because she is just a politician and that's what politicians do. Maybe Obama should take time off to consult a professional about his religious issues. Isn't he still looking for a church?

What a pathetic article. And this from a woman reporter. Hillary does not need advice from people like you. She is an intelligent, well educated womam who knows exactly what she wants in life. She may be a little bruised at the moment, who wouldn't be after what she has had to endure from bigots, but you can rest assured that she will come back full of vim and vigour, and continue fighting for what she passionately believes in. She doesn't need your advice, so save it for someone who does.

As I am not familiar with Washington Post writers I didn't know that Sally Quinn is a Washington Post expert on Faith. I knew that religion and ethics are not exactely the same, but I didn't anticipated that they can be so far apart. Mrs. Quinn writing is unethical in many aspects. Where the American reader should look for fair analysis of events and people? If not to New York Times, if not to Washington POst, then where?

SQ, your arrogance and pompous just shines through.

So when she's done penance for not being interested in your insider dinner parties, I'm sure you'll let us know, right?

Or when you forgive her for not abdicating in favor of the other woman.

As a long time Hillary hater you would be the last person, I'm guessing, Ms. Clinton would listen to to up her happiness quotient. How do you know she isn't presently experiencing peace and fulfillment (what a ridiculous statement: "peace and fulfillment... is something she clearly has yet to attain")? My guess is you'd be the last to know considering the wretched little pieces you wrote re. her and Bill in the WaPo during the 90's. I wish someone would conduct a series of "revealing" expose's (code for tabloid) on Sally Quinn. Afterall, as a past maven of DC dinner parties during the 80's and 90's I'm sure there's a lot in your closet that would be fascinating to ogle- even some of those Texas high hairdos.

It is hard to read a piece so hypocritical and evil to the core. The author is again planting one more wedge between Ms. Clinton and her husband. She does it exactely when she might need his support more. The author is not the first to do so and won't be last. The advise given to Hillary to find herself is the best example of truth in the saying "unsolicited advise is an act of aggression". Hillaty Clinton found herself long ago, she knows herself much better than the the author of this hypocritical, convoluted text. But tehn how strong Hillary Clinton has to be, and how streight her thinking has to be to survive such stinky, sticky venom disguised as a friendly advise. Who are those writers Washington Post publishes? Are there any left who do not attempt day after day to make water of readers brains? Such disgrace.

Any excuse would do for a quitter. Are you saying she wants to quit politics because she did not win as president? How about her cat got sick, or her nail chipped? Get a life.

Either she is a Senator, or a quitter. Wait and see.

Hi Sally-

It seems you offended a few readers when you posted your candid opinion of Hillary Clinton and shared your suggestions for her based on those opinions.

Since "On Faith" is your forum- I do expect you to do the morally and spiritually correct thing. Please humble yourself by asking those you have hurt and angered to forgive you.

Hillary, the first woman presidential candidate, lost the nomination fair & square. I am also >60, a feminist with a long professional career that simply could not support Hillary for many of the reasons both Kathy & Martha (of Vancouver) stated.

In addition to Hillary's mistakes & overspending on her campaign (thanks to Mark Penn), she & her staff were in conflict with Bill & his staff. Not good omens for a well-run organization inside the White House. I did not want Bill anywhere near the WH either. He has such a HUGE ego, he does & will always overshadow Hillary & her greatest efforts to be her own woman.

This country currently has 9 women governors (3 GOP & 6 Dems) & a slew of senators from both parties. There are also a large number women executives that are politically capable & shrewd. Surely, the two parties could put their efforts behind one or two of them sometime during my remaining years! I don't expect them to be any more superhuman than any men who've served in that capacity.

This is patronizing, presumptuous, condescending, but mostly WRONG! There is no doubt who HRC is or who she thinks she is. She is an ambitious, smart politician who has spent her life trying to improve our lives. When she made superficial changes, such as hairstyle or tone, she was just trying to improve her chances to win. Quinn says, "This may in fact be the reason she lost." There is no doubt about why she lost: IT'S THE MEDIA AND QUINN IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF IT. The Gallup poll of 5/29/08 reports that 30% of both Dems and Repubs say the media was "too hard" on HRC and 37% say it was "too easy" on BO. The Rasmussen poll of 6/8/08 is even more clear. It reports that 54% of the public believe BO "benefited" from biased media coverage. Only 14% believe HRC benefited. If the media had reported on BO's radical affiliations in January rather than in March--when they were forced to do so by bloggers--HRC would be the nominee. BO lost more primaries than he won after the media was forced to report on his radical affiliations. The Clintons have been treated like dirt by the media for nearly 20 years. It's amazing that they manage to keep wading through garbage like this piece that presumes to psychoanalyze and advise an accomplished politician. When will the bashing of HRC stop?? I guess they're not satisfied w/ her defeat, they will pursue her to her grave.

who are you?! why did they hire you?

I would suggest the same for Washington Post commentators.

SQ: Your tone comes across as sanctimonious and judgmental. Why in the world are you writing a column entitled "On faith"? You seem so insecure.

Here we go again, one of the beltway crowd, the ones who have been so wrong about everything over the last 7 years, the ones who have not recognized "their failure" and even if they did, would not admit it, are trying to make us believe they have something relevant to say. I highly recommend that all the mainstream media do exactly what is recommended for Hillary...take a year long sabatical...out in one of the little podunk towns of mid-America...find out what America is really about...then perhaps some of us will be willing to give more than a passing read to what the mainstream media would have us believe.

Great advice. Hope she stays where ever she goes and takes Billy Boy with her...

I was not a Hillary fan when Bill was running for Pres. the first time. Then, I happened to answer the phone one day in Little Rock, while Hillary was on Bill's campaign trail,and she asked me to give the Secret Service a message.."Please make sure Chelsea gets to her Orthodontist Appt. on time". Another time, she called to say it was ok for Chelsea to walk to McDonald's with her friends. Of course, the SS was behind her. This made Hillary a real person to me. I then started checking out all the things she has done on her own for Arkansas. She cared, and she wasn't even from here and we weren't nice to her while she was then Governor Clinton's wife.
I went and toured (for the 3rd time) the Presidential Library in Little Rock last week. If Hillary would have gone back and seen the film of all the things she actually did while Bill Clinton was Governor of Arkansas, she would have found her solid foundation for a winning Democratic place in the race for President of the United States. She is truly an amazing person and I believe really has a kind heart, and fighting strength to make the the United States of America the best place to be on Earth.

I think she should set an example and work extremely hard to repay her campaign debt.

The writer of this article comes off as being extremely pretentious. (Reading other peoples reactions to it I can say that I'm certainly glad not to be the only one who feels that way.)

Wonderful idea, Sally! I've sat five week long retreats with IMCW here in the Washington area. I've also heard Bhante G. Both he and the Bhavana Society are truly healing. As is customary in contemplative practices, one's practice is for the benefit of the world. As Buddhist myself, I dedicate the merits of my practice to all beings. Blessings to all.

Spot on. Very wise advice.

All I could think of as I read this piece was, 'Brava, Sally!' I never knew which Hillary was going to appear. Fascinating. But enough already.

Poor Chelsea.

Spot on. Very wise advice.

Sally,
I agree with the blogger that said you need a permanent retreat! release the harsh judgement of yourself sweetsoul!! for when we judge others, we are really judging a part of ourselves. so I suggest you look inside to see what judgments you need to let go of and love and nuture yourself.. so you can do that to others....

release !!!

I totally support the underlined sentiment,however not the direct personal stab. The only thing I can say is this - in a country where George W Bush could be elected for 2 terms, its not unsurprising that Hillary has actually won the hearts of '18 million' people!! If this is the kind of discretion that the Americans show,in choosing their presidents, well, I guess they deserve these clowns as their leaders,and the subsequent paths the nation has been/will be lead to..!!

Ms Quinn:
I would like to suggest that you take a permanent sabbatical. The fact that a woman as uninformed and catty as you has a national soapbox from which to spew her nonsense smacks of affirmative action on the part of your employer. I would love to see you subjected to the same filth-flinging that you and your fellow press monkeys have gleefully imposed on Senator Clinton. I know that you would not in a million years of summer vacations be able to come near her grace, strength and resilience.

You had better hope there really is no such thing as karma, or hell for that matter. If this strikes you as a "personal attack," feel free not to post it on your website. As long as you are aware that there are people out in that great swamp surrounding your silly little city that are incensed at your behavior, and no longer believe ANYTHING that appears in your infotainment rag.

Sally, how is this a "worldwide, interactive discussion about religion and its impact on global life"?
If you are going to post this crap, can I post personal messages to my husband and kids here and get rid of the fridge notes and magnets?
Just wondering,
Michelle O.

My God what a dumb c*nt you are. God bless you.

Are you kidding? Why the heck does Hillary deserve a retreat? Look at all of the people that are working regular jobs (not career politicians), some that work 40+ hours a week and never get a break. What Hillary (and all career politicians) need to do, is work hard like most of America, and actually come to grips as to what it really means to be a working citizen.

I would say a very small minority of politicians on a national level have any idea what it is like being a regular person. The famous John Kerry "What do they have that is good here" line from Wendy's about sums it up.

These people do not care about working Americans, they care about advancing their personal and their party's agendas. Most of their personal agendas consist of garnering more power.

I have no sympathy for any of these people, they should all be forced to work regular jobs if they claim to be representing anyone.

This group of people that has been in power for decades needs to change. The argument that people make is that "regular" people don't know how the system works. Well you know a great way to test that theory, actually incorporate some into your party! Also, it could be a very good thing if people do not "understand how it works" because they would probably work hard to change it. And change is something our country needs. We need to change from a country of spending money advertising your presidency to spending money doing genuine things to help the people you "care" about and represent.

Well, apparently you know Senator Clinton better than she knows herself. My it must feel incredible to be so righteous and right. God bless you for pointing out the obvious? imperfections of a woman who has done more in her life to help children than anyone chooses to acknowledge. But again, thank you for keeping us all in line.

Oh Sally, Sally, Sally, Sally. Really, your hubris and presumption know no bounds. Truly, it is only you who can see into Hillary's troubled, diseased soul. Healer Sally, only you can give Hillary insights into herself. Yes, Hillary should take YOUR advice on faith and introspection. The cuckoldee can always learn from the cuckolder.

Truly, Sally, you are the stupidest person on earth. I hope you find healing one day. In the meantime, take a sabbatical from the "On Faith" blog. Sally, heal thyself with silence and a cessation of blogging.

Sally:

Look around you and you will find plenty of people like you. Making comments on someone else lives, thinking that you are the smartest beast on this earth.

I am not sure of Hillary, but reading your article I can definitely say that you need a break. May be you can follow the same advice that you are showering on Hillary in your article.

Sally Quinn you dear are a looser. You have personal issues with Hillary and everyone is sick of hearing your rants. You need to take a silent retreat forever. Hillary has been completely supported by over 18 million voters...could you imagine that? She seems perfectly happy and confident in her being. You on the other hand should get some help. You are really obsessed and it's hard to determine if it is with Hill or Bill. You need some help!! They survived....you didn't!!

Lord God! Not another Pompous idiot Washington reporter! please do me a favor and take a few years off to find yourself, then maybe you could write something of interests. Instead of the crass rantings, and dribble, of this article...Just take off Sally, really we will not miss you!!!

I am a OBAMA supporter!! But this article is mean spirited. HILLARY is the real deal. She made OBAMA a much better candidate. GO OBAMA GO! but remember never step on superman's cape!

Wow. For a supposedly religious column/website, this article seems to have generated an eruption of more hate-filled vitriol than I've seen in quite a while.

As for me, I'm not sure Hillary has the kind of self-reflection or meditation called for in this article in her. Seriously. Or maybe she's just been in full steamroller ahead mode for too long. Seems like it would take a very long time in solitude for her to let go of the "always on, always calculating" M.O. which she's demonstrated in this campaign. But I suppose anything's possible, and moments of crisis do sometimes open us up in ways we've never been open before.

I am an older white woman feminist (since long before many of the "feminists" shown in recent newscasts were even born). I'm in that demographic area they say voted for Hillary. But I voted for Obama because as far as the Presidency goes, I believe he would be the better of the two candidates.

At the beginning of the primary season, I would have voted for Hillary. It's her own behavior throughout this campaign which has led me finally to despise what I see of her and her manipulative tactics. By less than halfway through the primaries, it became clear to me that she'd say or do ANYthing to get what she wanted. I also very much resented her (and Bill's) attitude that the Democratic candidacy is somehow owed to her and that all other candidates should just get out of her way. She might have done excellent work in the Senate and she might have been the President's wife for eight years, but that alone does NOT qualify her to be President of this country.

Even had Hillary actually had much of the "experience" that turns out to be greatly exaggerated, experience alone is not what I look for in a Presidential candidate. I'm looking for qualities of *leadership* (not bullying or dissembling), I'm looking for someone whose goal is to bring us *together* to work on the problems facing us, someone who truly *listens* and seeks the advice of others, AND who has the ability to put together an effective team. For me, Obama fits the bill on all of these, Hillary on none.

And for all this hue and cry about "experience," it amazes me that many people seem to think the President goes into the White House and makes all the decisions by him/herself. One of the most important abilities I want to see in a President is the ability to put together an outstanding team, a group of "the bestest and the brightest," experts who together have many varied kinds of experience and expertise, a group that's in touch with the realities of American life today, including our dependence on technology, a group which works well together and a group which is effective at accomplishing the goals laid out by the President. Again, Obama's campaign team excelled in this respect; Hillary's failed.

From my late middle-aged white feminist woman's perspective, HIllary did not fail to become the Democratic candidate for President because the media unfairly did her in, or because sexist white men made it impossible for her to win (Yes, there are plenty of sexist _______s, but they did not *cause* her to lose). She lost because

• She came into the race believing that she was a shoe-in, and that the office was rightly hers.
• She appeared not to grasp just HOW much the American public wanted serious change.
• From all accounts, her campaign team did not work well together.
• As has been detailed elsewhere, she and her team ran an outdated style campaign, not using the technology available to them, following no longer effective models of fundraising, etc. As a consequence, her campaign quickly ran out of money. (and now expects the Democratic Party to pay some of their expenses because... ???)
• She changed her story and her personna of the week so many times that she seemed untrustworthy and not genuine, and what she said was not persuasive to millions of voters.

There are more reasons than those, but from my perspective those are some of the more important ones.

There's been more than enough ugliness and anger throughout this primary season. Maybe we could ALL use some quiet time to decompress.

BTW--*Blessings* on Martha Davidson from Vancouver, BC, above, who laid out some actual facts instead of personally attacking the article author or other readers.

Dear Sally Quinn,

Please take your own advice and shut up! By the way, is your life so perfect as to give Senator Clinton advice on her personal business?

Sally, are you an investor in the new GenandPaula website? I bet you are.

p.s. I used to respect The Washington Post, but no longer. It's become a trash machine.

> At the beginning of this campaign the question was often asked, "Will the real Hillary Clinton stand up?" One minute she was strident, then shrill, then weeping, then gracious and calm.

What if it is the real Hillary Clinton to be one person one minute and another the next? To say that she must find herself is to say that she is already lost.

yaaaawwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnn

I totally agree with you there.
Hillary has been trying to be.
Never "being". I feel that it's due to all this pressure to gain a larger audienc--but these constant changes definitely made her lose.

Watching her speeches, it feels like I'm watching a very artificial woman putting on a new face for the crowd.

Its a game u play it right, you win, Obama played his game with the right people at the right time. That's what made the differance.

Gosh! All this advice coming from SALLY QUINN???
Gimme a break, Sally, and get off your high horse! Who are YOU, of all people, to be preaching to ANYONE? Yet alone, Hillary Clinton. If you look deep enough yourself Sally, maybe you'll find that SHE is the one who has much to teach YOU.

yes I believe Hillary should go on a retreat and never come back

For her to have given up a "promising career" as a Washington lawyer, she would have needed to pass the D.C. bar exam. In fact she flunked the D.C. bar, she subsequently took the (easier?) Arkansas bar exam and passed. She only revealed this many decades later as I suspect she her past would be gone over with a fine tooth comb, once she decided to run for president

Who are you to say Hillary doesn't have peace or fulfillment? Or that she isn't already comforted by her faith? Don't be catty.

What kind of substandard post from Washington Post reporter ?

really? not stump for her party's candidate, or get out there and extol the virtues of not having McCain in office? not continue to whip up excitement among younger voters to see that being politically active is a good thing? not continue to press all candidates to discuss the issues that are so important in this upcoming election?

none of that, huh? just go quietly away and 'find herself'? what is she, a new college grad who doesn't know what she wants to be when she grows up?

hmmm...

-brian carroll

Obama Manhandles Joe Lieberman on the Senate Floor

Does Barack Obama think he has the right to drag other senators off the Senate floor if they don't vote according to his party line?

ABC News recently ran a video on their obnoxious and barely functional website, under the headline: Obama Dishes Tough Talk to Lieberman at http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex? id=5006126

The YouTube copy is easier to watch, at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5DNpJBzxG8

I couldn't hear the "tough talk," but I could see Joe Lieberman being pulled along sideways all the way off the Senate floor by a much younger and much larger Senator.

Obama shakes Lieberman's hand, and he never lets go. They walk off the Senate floor together holding hands, you might say, but Lieberman's right hand is extended awkwardly across his body, and it isn't much like the way young lovers hold hands as they stroll across a meadow.

The crucial moment for recognizing what's going on comes up about 16 seconds into the video, when Obama and Lieberman meet Claire McCaskill, who's wearing a pink jacket, at the top right corner of the screen.

Apparently Senator McCaskill is trying to say something to Obama or Lieberman, and she reaches out to take Lieberman's hand, but he can't quite turn to face her, and as they brush past her, she takes an awkward step back.

This is a wrong moment. If Lieberman could turn, he would have turned, instead of brushing by sideways, but Obama wouldn't let him go, and it's very bad manners, at the very least.

The whole thing may look like "friendly contact" to Obama's devotees, but for me it shades into something more like physical compulsion, and I have to say...

The next time Obama wants to dance somebody off the floor of the United States Senate, I hope he has the balls to pick a more formidable partner than little old Joe Lieberman.

Sally Quin is a hater.

How is it NOT front-page worthy that a sitting president of the United States had 35 articles of impeachment brought against him yesterday?

How is it NOT newsworthy that phase II of the Senate Intelligence Report regarding the runup to the Iraqi occupation was released yesterday, finding that the Bush administration actually DID exaggerate and manipulate intelligence information to garner support for the occupation??

To me Hillary Clinton is a formidable and a dogged politician, its just that she lacks the political instinct of the century to know when to bluff and when to be real. Despite the fact her name will be remembered in years to come as the only woman that has gone so close to presidencial nominee in America history, it´s would have be more honorable for her to call it a day or quite all these while when it was quite obvious she was fight an up hill battle to be able to get enough vote to win the race.

To me Hillary Clinton is a formidable and a dogged politician, its just that she lacks the political instinct of the century to know when to bluff and when to be real. Despite the fact her name will be remembered in years to come as the only woman that has gone so close to presidencial nominee in America history, it´s would have be more honorable for her to call it a day or quite all these while when it was quite obvious she was fight an up hill battle to be able to get enough vote to win the race.

Oh Sally, you are just a privileged,nasty debutante.Perhaps a retreat would do you some good, but skip the labyrinth you had built for such purpose as your evolution seems to be blocked.
From Wikipedia:
Quinn was critical of President Bill Clinton during the impeachment trial, stating that he had "fouled the nest,"[4] much to Clinton's outrage[citation needed]. Quinn had a long-standing animus for the Clintons, possibly due to a perceived snub by First Lady Hillary Clinton, who declined a party invitation from Quinn.[5] Regarding Whitewater independent counsel Ken Starr, she wrote:[6] "Similarly, independent counsel Ken Starr is not seen by many Washington insiders as an out-of-control prudish crusader. Starr is a Washington insider, too. He has lived and worked here for years. He had a reputation as a fair and honest judge. He has many friends in both parties. Their wives are friendly with one another and their children go to the same schools." Starr had won the gratitude of Quinn's husband Ben Bradlee in 1987, as an Appeals Court judge, by dismissing a $2 million libel suit against the Washington Post. [7] It was also pointed out by Harry Jaffe, writing for Salon, that Quinn's condemnation of Bill Clinton's adultery rang hollow coming from someone who broke up the marriage of her boss Ben Bradlee and then went on to marry Bradlee herself.[8]
Hmmm. Sal gal, Hillary Clinton will have an honored place in American history. You will be in the dustbin.

this is one of the more moronic suggestions for the use of senator hillary rodham clinton's time.

Frankly, we are just tired of the on-going saga of the self-grandizment of the Clintons. They are not honorable people; they are not good role models for the youth of this country; they are ruthless politicians who will assume the role needed. Like an old soldier; they just need to fade away.

the article is not worthy of comment L(nor for that matter worthy of publication)

I think your good advice will be ignored. I think it's entirely possible that HRC really has never known herself.

Journalism is all about being balanced and not providing one sided views .. This article is a ready made case study for poor journalism.

Keep up the good work .. er.. should I say the trash work.. because it provides people benchmarks on what a good article should look like..

Great suggestions! Why Africa or India? There are enough homeless people on the streets of my city if she couldn't find them in Chicago or DC. It's time to look around this vast country for people to help.. we've got enough misery to inspire the next Buddha from within :-)

And while you are doing that, would you be a sweetie and kindly out line for us Mr Bush's vacation plan too?

Sally Quinn.

Why don't you limit yourself to manicures and hairdos. Why do you even step out of the spa. You sound like a Barbie doll.

Please don't call yourself a journalist. there are people who risk their lives out to be called a reporter and journalist and here you are bickering about a great woman and wasting another one of my cyber-clicks (which of course follows everything that says Hillary).

One more thing. Read, learn, educate yourself and only then preach. I shudder that there are naive people who might follow your advise and the world will come to an end... wait, that is already happening, so never mind.

Sexism is alive and well and from a woman. Couldn't you find kind words for someone who worked her @#$ of for the last 18 months. What have you done for the betterment of mankind? I challenge you to do what she has done, are you jealous of her commitment? The world needs more WOMEN like Hillary, someone who actually cares about healthcare something I am sure you know nothing about since you obviously don't have to worry about it. Leave her alone, I am sure she has heard your drivel many times over from others and I hope she has developed some type of personal armour to deflect it. I hope you feel better after bashing some one who deserves our respect and gratitude form running for one of the hardest and thankless jobs in the world. Why don't you try it on for size or is it safer for you to sit in front of your laptop and type this crap? Thanks for your support of women

Sorry, I hadn´t read the rest of the Washington Post reporter background info. Having worked for the Post for so long, and having done extensive research on Religion, then it would be acceptable for Ms Quinn to blog on the subject. ... As far as I´m concerned, we All need to take a rest from the Clintons.

Well, Ms Sally Quinn, who asked you? My congratulations to you if you have never changed your hairdo in your entire lifetime, although, if I may point out to you, that is not a mission most of us lesser mortals try to accomplish.

And perhaps, just perhaps you want to report on more pressing issues, dear reporter, than what the former first lady and now senator must do on her free time?
It might do wonders for your career as opposed to silly gossiping.

We all have our opinions, but God grant Hilary some peace and quiet away from the maddening crowds so she can weigh in what is really important in her life.

Sally- you disappoint me with such a pedestrian analysis.

Hillary will be bigger, better and more effective than any political contemporary.
I am proud of her and hope she doesn't rest. We need her energy and passion.

After reading this article all I can say is, there is nothing worse than woman to woman hate. This is a condescending piece of trash. I am amazed at all the "advice" that Sen. Clinton is getting from people that know absolutely nothing about what it is like to be her...have never been an attorney, first lady of the U.S., a Senator and the first viable woman presidential candidate that came so close to winning their parties nomination against all the "journalists" heaping this kind of despicable crap onto her on a daily basis. She still has the courage and fortitude to not break down in front of them. And quite frankly, that is exactly what they wanted. You and the talking heads like you are small little people whose main goal in life is to destroy this woman and you can't stand the fact that she just isn't buying into it. Take a retreat yourself and think about why you really detest this smart, strong, and vibrant woman. Decades from now she will be revered for the accomplished woman she is and no one will know your name.

So a woman running for President shows "naked ambition and a lust for power"? Obama is younger and has less experience, ditto John Edwards and many other men who have run for President. Why aren't they showing the same "naked ambition"?

She should take a break away from all those in her party who betrayed her even though her husband is the one who have many of them their start. And one can't deny her resume and experience and the fact that she is more qualified and experienced than the Jr. Senator of Illinois. Facts are facts. But the Party and the MSM joined forces to brand this illusionary candidate that has rock star appeal. I think many DC and elite Dem and liberal politicos are in their own world. The way this primary was covered by the MSM reminded one of the immature high school antics that went on between clicks. Youth, sorry they missed the sixties scrambled to be part of the Obama Movement and elite baby boomers in mid-life crisis want to return to the sixties. Obama is the candidate of cool.

Here is a great posting on the popular blog site The Confluence run by riverdaughter.

The blog posting shows a different perspective- the perspective of 18 million voters who didn't drink the kool aid and who think a cup of Joe is well, a cup of Joe.

The Confluence
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A final rant from an eternal Clinton supporter
Posted on June 9, 2008 by regencyg

I like to think that I have led my life with distinction. I was raised by a single mother with little help. We were even on public assistance for a time. I have excelled in school since the very first day and now stand to graduate an esteemed high school with the rank of Salutatorian. I have friends of every race, every religion—and lack thereof, every political ideology, and sexual orientation. Even for love of a few stale jokes, you couldn’t truly believe that I hated someone because they were different from me. I wouldn’t and I can’t. Before this Democratic Primary, I’d never had the honor and the pleasure of being called a racist, a crybaby, or anyone’s psycho ex-girlfriend a la Glenn Close out of “Fatal Attraction.” It’s been a season of firsts.

I turned 18 in November. My first thought? Oh God, I have to vote.I hadn’t listened to the pundits, I didn’t even know who was running. Some Hispanic guy, some black guy, and the former First Lady of the United States; oh, and some other white guys. The only one I recognized was Edwards and my heart did an awful large thump for what could’ve been in 2004. (I hadn’t forgiven John Kerry for conceding Ohio, I still haven’t and he’s invoked my ire ever since.) Yet, it wasn’t John Edwards and his invincible haircut that caught my attention; it was the woman I had never noticed and the history I’d never cared about.

For the first time ever, I noticed Hillary Rodham Clinton outside of Bill Clinton’s shadow. I noticed a woman who daredto stand side-by-side on a stage with a large group of men and consider them her equal. I saw a woman who had a mind like a mantrap, who could recall facts like the kids I know can Google. I saw her make fools out of her competitors when they just didn’t know answers that came naturally to her. I was more than impressed.

Then, the season truly began and I saw Hillary Clinton lose Iowa. Then, I saw her win New Hampshire. Then I saw her lose some and win some on Super Tuesday. Best of all I got to watch somebody play the race card and somebody else be framed for doing it. Reminds me of a shirt a lot my friends have. There’s a cute white bunny on it and beneath the bunny it reads: “I did it, but I’m blaming you.”

Yep, that sounds about right. Do you know why Hillary Rodham Clinton won New Hampshire? According to one “political analyst,” or those who get paid to regurgitate what the Washington Post says verbatim, it was the Bradley effect. The Bradley effect takes place when polled likely voters claim they will vote for a minority candidate but fail to do as much when they are in the voting booth. The insinuation: closeted racism. That was just the first indication that this primary wasn’t going to be fair, but it was far from the last.

South Carolina came and the biggest double-edged sword to be forged came out full force and he went by the name of William Jefferson Clinton. He was a gift on the stump. He was all charm and down home sweetness, but he was a wonk and there was no denying that East Coast education. He was an asset to Hillary Clinton that could not be denied. So he had to be neutralized—and best believe that he was.

By February 15th, Bill Clinton barely dared to stick his head in view of a camera lest he be misquoted and vilified for the nineteenth time. Suddenly, the “first black president,” as coined by Toni Morrison, was the first KKKlan President. He and his wife, both with a lifetime of civil rights advocacy and battles behind them were outcasts in a community that once revered them. For what reason? What could he and his wife possibly gain by espousing racism after all this time?

Not.

A.

Thing.

What had made Hillary Clinton so formidable was the sheer size of her coalition. She had African-Americans, one of the most dependable voting blocks in the Democratic Party, she had working Americans who remembered what life under a Clinton was like. She had her determination and she was in it to win it. Nobody else was of any real consequence. That is, until the first-term Senator from Illinois stood up to bat.

…And the pieces came tumbling down.

He showed up. He spoke out loud. The masses—though not the majority—fell to their knees in awe. I didn’t. I was neither impressed nor fooled. The media was. The party leaders loved what he brought to the game. He had style, had new voters, he had money. Oh, they had tingles up and down their legs. This was February, around the time that I realized that the fix was in. Naively, I still hoped that things could change. I think that even Hillary did.

A string of bare defeats and incredible victories later, here we are. It’s June 8th, the day after Hillary Rodham Clinton has suspended her campaign for the presidency in order to endorse Barack Obama. I and many thousands—perhaps millions—of others are left without a leader. It isn’t as easy as saying “let Democrats be Democrats” and vote Democrat. What we’ve seen these last two months was far from Democratic. I’ve seen so many minority cards played that I can’t stand the card game anymore.

I’ve seen a distinguished Senator and beloved First Lady verbally molested in a fashion I would never allow if I were a producer on network or cable television. I’ve seen death threats leveled against her. I’ve seen more than a single man or woman say that all it would take was a good “doing over” for Hillary to see the light, whatever that proverbial light was. I’ve seen men laugh at her laugh. I’ve seen the nutcracker and boys who call themselves men talking about the way they gird their loins when she comes anywhere near them. I’ve seen those same boys where the masks of saints when she deigns to entertain their company only to sneer at her back on exit.

I’ve seen a party that has claimed as its mantle the interests of the people turn their noses up at their expressed desires in direct violation of their very own written rules. They’ve said, “We must respect the rules.” Why thank you, Alice Germond. Sadly, those rules state that they also should’ve respected the voters. (Rule 13 A of the Democratic Party Rules & Bylaws, entitled Fair Reflection of Presidential Preference, if any can be bothered recall.) But those weren’t the rules they were interested in and so weren’t the rules they followed. Democracy didn’t die the day we allowed the best President we would’ve ever known to leave history with no impression; it died the day that 30 people decided that their desires were more pressing than the expressed wishes of 600,000 people in Michigan and 1.7 million in Florida.

Until the very last primary I prayed that someone in the party would see sense. I even prayed they’d defend my candidate against the harsh, uneven criticism leveled against her by the media and her opponents. The problem wasn’t that she couldn’t defend herself; the problem was that she had to defend both herself and her opponent with her hands tied behind her back. Any historical fact—from the most trivial and benign to those even minutely inflammatory—became a gaffe and sandstorm. The news cycle for her was lost time and again to media-made monsoons of Tuzla (never-ending, I recall), to LBJ & JFK (true, however, it was), to RFK and his assassination on the 6th of June. She couldn’t win the day for losing because if it was folly, it made her a fool and if it was true, it was anyone and everyone’s dog whistle.

Her opponent didn’t and hasn’t faced that. I imagine he won’t. Now that the media has picked him—and the party leaders have gone along with it—they’re gonna have to save him from himself. By not vetting him or questioning his many “misspeaks” or gaffes, they’ve left the country to choose between the lesser of who-cares and why-should-I. They’re gonna have to cover their bottom lines.

They had a brilliant mind and an iron will. They turned her away.

They had an unbeatable candidate and a popular, voter-driven mandate. They said, “No, thanks.”

They had the White House in November, like they promised. They decided they wanted the hot, red car instead, with the dollar signs on the hood, something they can drive home and show their kids.

They wanted to be rich and cool. They didn’t need those poor working-class people to cramp their style. They didn’t want those Latinos, or Asians, or LGBT people, or the disabled, or the elderly, or the Jewish, or the Catholic people reminding them of how things used to be. They didn’t want to be reminded of those horrid “old politics.” You know, the kind espoused by the foolhardy Franklin Delano Roosevelt and the lackluster Harry Truman, by that truly despicable John F. Kennedy, and even further still by that disgustingly traitorous American Lyndon B. Johnson who fought for the Civil Rights Acts, bent arms and bent ears to bring it to life. He lost the South forever for the Democrats but brought morality back to the American consciousness, that loathsome toad. And how ever will we forget Robert F. Kennedy, who lived and died on his ideals, the ideals embraced by a generation and that saw their completion decades after his own senseless end. Damn those old politics, nothing good ever came of them. Guess it’s time to try something new.

Hope and change. Those very words have lit the torches and the candles of a dozen movements that have carried this country forward to where it is and I imagine that those words will carry many others in the future. Nevertheless, what no ones wishes to address or be caught addressing is the fact that “just words” will never change the world. If there is no mind to a movement, it becomes chaos or worse. What we have now is a war of “just words” that without distinction will be interpreted in any way our opponents see fit. What we have now is an opponent that is not impressed with just words that are pretty, and words that are light. We have an opponent who laughs at our sonnets and our metaphors, whose spirit does not lift with a good hymn, and a chant makes him punchy. We have an adversary who is all about “straight-talk.”

Hope and change will not deter him. Hope never put a dollar into an empty bank account. Change is the thing a struggling mother is looking for when the food stamps don’t cover Pampers and milk. Hope is what that same mother has when she can’t get out of bed, but she can’t miss work today—she just can’t! Change is what happens when she has to take her kids and sneak away from her apartment in the middle of the night because the change she used to buy the Pampers isn’t there to pay the rent.

Everyday Americans will just have to keep holding on for another term more. Democrats aren’t gonna save them like they promised. How do I know? I know because the “Democrat” they picked has exactly one hope in the hell of being elected. I’ve met the Republicans, most of America has—John Kerry has certainly met them. Thanks to them and their fair friends, the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, Senator Kerry hasn’t seen the inside of the White House save for on the Christmas tour, and he won’t ever again. That’s a common sentiment among Democrats—and no doubt will become familiar to the party’s “nominee.”

To quote the eminent Maxine Waters of California, “We don’t need hope, what we need is help.” Sadly, neither Representative Waters nor the rest of her Super Delegate compatriots are in any position to give us that help. They have done the politically expedient thing, they have spoken aloud and made themselves heard; they have covered their backs—and left us in the rain.

By 2012, most of them will still have their homes, unlike more than a million working-class Americans thanks to the foreclosure crisis.

Expect gas prices to get so expensive that working isn’t worth the cost anymore. Between gas, taxes, utilities, and—I don’t know—being alive, there’s just no sense in it. A living wage isn’t one if you can’t live on it, and everyday Americans can’t keep living like this.

Doctor? You don’t need no stinking doctor. You won’t have anything to live on during retirement anyway, so I wouldn’t plan to live that long. Haven’t you heard? Universal Healthcare Coverage is for other countries. Dying unnecessarily is an honor and a privilege in the United States. Get used to it.

As for global warming, I suggest you buy, in bulk, shorts and flip-flops. Don’t expect Al Gore to stick his neck out for you now. God knows there isn’t a Democrat left who will.

But what can I say? It’s evidently a great year to be a “Democratic” Party Leader. It’s just a really, really awful year to be a run-of-the-mill Democrat.

What a peaceful message to pass along about Mrs. Clinton. I am an Obama supporter, and I would like to see her rest. She's had a very long and difficult time the last 18 months, and she has a powerful message to deliver, but now is now her time. Another day, perhaps.

peace
Drew

new age dope? she's a flat out sexist. she's demonstrated the exact kind of "unconscious," insidious sexism that's still pervasive today and that clinton referred to in her exit speech on saturday. would quinn write this drivel if clinton were a man? no way. no freaking way. i don't care if it's ostensibly faith-based reflection. it uses the language of secular sexism, and we all SHOULD know that the state of gender equality is disastrous in most organized faiths anyhow.

gave up a promising career as a lawyer in Washington... my jaw dropped when i read that. QUINN and those of her ilk, the self-loathing anti-feminists whose own ambition frightens them, who can't fully embrace their potential as humans without being apologetic or remorseful about it, are the ones who try to affix "victim" to clinton's forehead and then accuse her of acting like one. i hardly think clinton's wasting much time on thoughts of what could have been if she'd just pursued her own dreams... does anyone ever stop to wonder why women who aspire to be influential on a national and international scale tend to gravitate to men (AND other people) who already have power? don't you think that could be a symptom of a larger problem, OR a very clever strategy for acquiring the place and prominence that we all sheer intelligence and hard work does not guarantee for women? if you can't see it, you're part of the problem.

how about the fact that smart, ambitious people are generally attracted to other smart ambitious people?

seriously, are you serious? i can hardly believe anyone can still get away with writing crap like this. the people who pay you to write this should be ashamed of themselves too.

I thought about this Hillary's retreat 2 days ago but I felt sorry for this story being too rude on her, so I thought that the writer don't need Barack Obama to be the next US President. Since I need to see Obama in White House; I changed my mind; go on Hillary, we need you to be next US VP! Go on Hillary, sue the writer! Larry - Canada

I've actually been on meditation retreats with the meditation teacher mentioned in this article, Bhante Gunaratana. Ironically, it was good advice...

Hillary is 44 has landed in full force. Take that Sally Quinn and that and that. Whap, whap whaaaa!

This ARTICLE WAS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHAT IS WRONG WITH AMERICA PERSONAL VENDETTAS FOR NO REASON SOME OF THE COMMENTS ABOUT HILLARY NOT BEING ON THE JOB SHE WAS GETTING PAID TO DO Was obama not in the senate also perfect example of personal vendetta

Hillary will go down in history as a great lady that the press and media tried to kill off the campaign trail 18 MILLION people THOUGHT SHE DESERVED TO BE THERE AND IF ALL THE ELECTIONS WERE FAIR AND BALANCED SHE WOULD HAVE MORE REBEMBER THE SHAM CAUCUS IT TEXAS IF YOU CAN`T WIN FAIR HOW CAN YOU GOVERN

HILLARY YOU ARE THE WINNER WE LIVED THROUGH ALL THE MESS WITH YOU KEEP GOING GIRL DON~T LET THEM CRUSH YOU

I'm a male, 48 years old, and a registered Democrat that votes Republican. I personally never did like Hillary but I must admit that I find that her character throughout the primaries contained considerable fortitude. Her other qualities are another long story all together.

I predict that she will cease to be a public servant if all she does is retain her current spot in Congress. She is making a play for something bigger and if we want to see her around for the next years she will need to be offered something besides her current position in Washington.

She never came across as someone that cares to me, but then, what politicians do? Nonetheless, this air of not really caring outside her own personal realm carries with it a cost - such as losing a primary to the ultra left winger Obama.

Sally's animus towards the Clintons is well known, and possibly personal as well as political. Still, it is easily justified by the facts of Hillary and Bill's life, politics, and relentless, unseemly pursuit of power. (I honestly think the woman who called Hillary a monster was close to the truth.)

18 million votes for Hillary do not equate to 18 million who "believed in her." It equates to 18 million name recognition votes, party support votes (check out PA), anti-black votes, identity politics votes, and "gotta vote for the woman" votes. Obviously, she has her passionate supporters--but not 18 million of them.

She should start off by divorcing the abortion of a husband that Bill has turned out to be. Seriously, for all the good he's done, getting her elected in New York, think of all the hell he's put her through, first Watergate, then Monica, then his "help" during her presidential run, and culminating in the Vanity Fair article. Obviously the article stung a little because as Shakespeare would say, "(he) dost protest too much, methinks."

She should throw Obama under the bus, obviously she detested him if she bothered to stay in the race so long. The only reason she's playing nice is because the DNC threatened to ostracize her forever if she didn't cooperate. If she slammed Obama for being an elitist, which is he, and pointed out his glaring contempt for the middle class who wallow in their suffering (cling to guns/religion) because they aren't smart (intellectual) enough and good enough to rise above their situation and go to Harvard like he did, she could advocate her policies for making a real difference to working class families and ultimately cause him to lose in the fall.

Then she could cast aside her ambition, resign her Senate seat, embrace other noble goals, Princess Diana and Mother Theresa have shown that you can make a world of difference outside the halls of power if you so choose (and isn't that the real reason she's running for President?), return in 2012 with a hand-pick successor and support them for 2012, get them elected and live vicariously through them while she carries out her noble (and Nobel) endeavours.

Everyone would win, Bill could live the single life he always wanted... well he could live the private life he's always lived less discreetly now. Hillary, since she's already lost the nomination, could walk away with some pride and actually show she cares about the things she ran her nomination on. And Obama could experience the karma he's built up over the last 40 some years of his life. Obama has been bought and paid for a half dozen times over by special interest and the media to pay for his meteoric rise in the Senate and then to the nomination. Lastly, the American people wouldn't lose as much, sure we'd get McCain but a war hero and someone too old for special interests to really buy (once he's done with 4 years he's pretty much dead) for 4 years is the easily the lesser of two evils. You can't ruin much more, we've lived through 8 years of Bush so 4 more ones down a questionable path aren't as bad as 8 years down a terrifying path.

"Give up the roar of the crowds, the banners and the balloons, the marching bands, the begging for autographs. Give up the naked ambition, the lust for power. Is it possible that she wants those things because she thinks she should?"

Odd, no one asked this of any of the male candidates that have dropped out of the race. What a horribly sexist thing to suggest, that a woman cannot lust for power in her own right. We're talking about a woman, who in 1969, was the first student in Wellesley College history to deliver their commencement address.

I happen to agree with everything expressed in this blog post. However, my question is: Since when is Ms Quinn qualified to write about religion and its impact on global life?

This ARTICLE WAS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHAT IS WRONG WITH AMERICA PERSONAL VENDETTAS FOR NO REASON SOME OF THE COMMENTS ABOUT HILLARY NOT BEING ON THE JOB SHE WAS GETTING PAID TO DO Was obama not in the senate also perfect example of personal vendetta

Hillary will go down in history as a great lady that the press and media tried to kill off the campaign trail 18 MILLION people THOUGHT SHE DESERVED TO BE THERE AND IF ALL THE ELECTIONS WERE FAIR AND BALANCED SHE WOULD HAVE MORE REBEMBER THE SHAM CAUCUS IT TEXAS IF YOU CAN`T WIN FAIR HOW CAN YOU GOVERN

HILLARY YOU ARE THE WINNER WE LIVED THROUGH ALL THE MESS WITH YOU KEEP GOING GIRL DON~T LET THEM CRUSH YOU

This ARTICLE WAS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHAT IS WRONG WITH AMERICA PERSONAL VENDETTAS FOR NO REASON SOME OF THE COMMENTS ABOUT HILLARY NOT BEING ON THE JOB SHE WAS GETTING PAID TO DO Was obama not in the senate also perfect example of personal vendetta

Hillary will go down in history as a great lady that the press and media tried to kill off the campaign trail 18 MILLION people THOUGHT SHE DESERVED TO BE THERE AND IF ALL THE ELECTIONS WERE FAIR AND BALANCED SHE WOULD HAVE MORE REBEMBER THE SHAM CAUCUS IT TEXAS IF YOU CAN`T WIN FAIR HOW CAN YOU GOVERN

HILLARY YOU ARE THE WINNER WE LIVED THROUGH ALL THE MESS WITH YOU KEEP GOING GIRL DON~T LET THEM CRUSH YOU

While i agree with Ms. Quinn's recommendation for a retreat (read: well-deserved vacation), i disagree with her negative portrayal of Hillary Clinton's many roles.
As an educated and well-spoken professional, Ms. Quinn can probably attest to the fact that all women find themselves in various roles in life. The difference in this case is that Hillary Clinton's ever changing roles have been in the glare of the media's spotlight. What's wrong with changing hairstyles and clothing options? What's the difference between being a supportive wife in good times and in the most trying if not humiliating times? And what woman DOESN'T waver from strident to tired and weeping, to gracious and calm?
As many New Yorkers would argue, we did not vote for Hillary Clinton as our senator because of her husband's 'vivacious' personality. But rather we voted for Mrs. Clinton's abilities, intelligence, hard work and perseverence. All women, Hillary Clinton included, DO need a retreat to 'find' themselves. But not for the reasons Ms. Quinn suggests.

While i agree with Ms. Quinn's recommendation for a retreat (read: well-deserved vacation), i disagree with her negative portrayal of Hillary Clinton's many roles. As an educated and well-spoken professional, Ms. Quinn can probably attest to the fact that all women find themselves in various roles in life. The difference in this case is that Hillary Clinton's ever changing roles have been in the glare of the media's spotlight. What's wrong with changing hairstyles and clothing options? What's the difference between being a supportive wife in good times and in the most trying if not humiliating times? And what woman DOESN'T waver from strident to tired and weeping, to gracious and calm?
As many New Yorkers would argue, we did not vote for Hillary Clinton as our senator because of her husband's 'vivacious' personality. But rather we voted for Mrs. Clinton's abilities, intelligence, hard work and perseverence. All women, Hillary Clinton included, DO need a retreat to 'find' themselves. But not for the reasons Ms. Quinn suggests.

You just won't leave her alone, will you? Obviously religion means nothing to you considering all of the nasty innuendo in this trash piece. Ever heard of Karma? Ever heard of do unto others...?
What is wrong with you? You obviously need a sabbatical to get over your hatred of Senator Clinton.

The thought that Hillary should go away to find her self in seclusion is more a depiction of a over dramatized movie scene than real life. In truth any person with inner drive sees that as wasting some time. Hillary has Drive and should find fulfillment in using that drive to accomplish rather than to mope. After all if she is strong enough to be President why does she not have the inner strength to push on in her pursuits? If we were attacked would she cry and retreat to seclusion to find herself? No, she would not! This is ridiculous! This is the lowest example of sexism I have seen, to drag her under because of the weakness you have as a journalist. Stop projecting, read the definition of journalist and call me in the morning!

You are nasty horrible woman Sally Quinn. Just despicable. Hillary is married to Bill Clinton and has been with him for 30 plus years. Get over yourself. You are horrible, awful, disgraceful, disgusting, nasty, vindictive, terrible. hate filled horror show.

The follow is an article by Dick Morris. I agree completely with his assessment of Hillary.

She has lived her life telling so many lies, she does not know who or WHAT she is. Jeff Toobin , on the night Obama won the nomination, said this of her "she is a deranged narcissist". In a nutshell. She doesn't simply need a sabbatical, she needs some serious therapy.

Is Hillary Clinton the Walter Mitty of presidential candidates when she takes credit for the successes of her husband’s presidency?

Lately, she’s been repeatedly linking herself to Bill’s job creation, budget balancing, economic programs and domestic policies initiatives. There’s a lot of “Bill and I” and “we” in her speeches. It’s all part of the “bring back the Clinton years” theme that she rolls out to Democratic Party audiences.

But there’s more to it.

At the core of her highly disciplined campaign message is her claim that her “experience” in the White House and the Senate makes her uniquely qualified to move right into the Oval Office. According to Hillary, her two term co-presidency with Bill specially prepared her for the next Clinton administration and gives her exceptional credentials that no other candidate can match.

And her message is working — the most recent Gallup Poll shows that 45 percent of American voters cite Hillary’s “experience” as the highest positive rating about her.

Out on the campaign trail, she often refers to her “eight years in the White House,” when asked why she should be elected.

So, what exactly was it that Hillary did in the Clinton White House that gave her all of that experience?

Well, obviously there was the health care fiasco, Hillary’s secretive, expensive and utterly failed attempt to socialize the health care industry. Surely, she can’t be referring to that.

So what is it that Hillary is referring to?

One would think that the $20 million combined memoirs of the former first couple could provide some clarification. But a careful reading of their respective stories leads to even more confusion. One wonders whether they ever read each other’s work.

It seems that in her book “Living History,” published in 2003, the former first lady doesn’t really claim to have been an influential co-president working and learning at her husband’s side after all.

No, that’s all new.

And most of what she does take credit for involves traditional first lady issues, such as childcare and cancer research. She barely mentions any role for herself in the signature issues that confronted the Clinton presidency.

If you contrast her current claims of helping to run the country against her own writing about her White House days, there’s a big difference. Now she speaks of the Clinton administration accomplishments, as if she were part of implementing them. But only four years ago, she told another story.

Bill doesn’t seem to recall her help and involvement on too many issues. Even on those relatively few things that she actually does take credit for in her book, the former president doesn’t have the same recollections that she does about her important role in the White House.

In her book, Hillary discusses her advocacy in the White House on social security, welfare reform, the bankruptcy reform bill, violence in the media, budget cuts and improvement in the Family and Medical Leave Act.

But, in his memoirs, Bill rarely mentions Hillary’s role in any of his administration’s policies, except for health care. One would have expected that he would have described some of the details of her unparalleled ‘experience.’

In fact, of 102 mentions of Hillary in Bill Clinton’s “My Life”, the content is as follows:

• 34 entries describe trips taken by the first couple
• 26 entries are about Whitewater or other scandal investigations
• 17 entries are about their personal relationship
• 11 entries are about Hillary’s integrity, character, her writing a book, supporting American crafts, etc.
• Nine entries describe her role in health care
• Only five entries concern a substantive role, including: participating in a White House staff gathering at Camp David; speaking out for women’s rights in China; campaigning for child protection legislation; and campaigning for Democratic candidates, and the Millennium Project

That’s it!

Here’s some examples of how Hillary catalogued some of her work and how Bill described the same issue:

Welfare Reform : “I supported welfare reform and worked hard to round up the votes.”

• Bill makes no mention of her role concerning that important issue.

Media Violence and Children :“Bill and I … convened a White House strategy session on how to curb media violence directed at children.”

• Bill remembers it somewhat differently, crediting Al and Tipper Gore with a drive to get V chips in televisions. No mention of Hillary.

Budget Cuts :“I also spent two years helping … Stave off cuts in legal services, the arts, education, Medicare and Medicaid.”

• Bill makes no mention of Hillary in discussing the budget cuts.

Adoption Reform :“I worked hard … to spearhead adoption reform.”

• Bill writes about how proud he was about his “sweeping reforms of our adoption laws.” No mention of Hillary.

Child Support : “Bill and I wanted tougher child support collection efforts.”

• Bill describes signing another of his priorities into law. No mention of Hillary.

And so on.

So, is Hillary a Walter Mitty character who imagined herself as the effective and hard-working co-president of the United States, while she was actually marginalized and uninvolved in any important policy making?

Or was she really a strong co-president who wasn’t given the proper credit by her husband in his book, and was too modest to write about it in her own book?

We’ll leave the answer up to you.

Wish you'd find a new voice and take a retreat Sally.

On the one hand, I'd say "well said, Sally". You offered one of the many unfavorible opinions of Hillary, which happens to be one that I can agree with. But I wouldn't call this journalism. I'd call this a personal rant. No matter how we choose to indulge in our own perspective and opinion, as an open-minded person, I would encourage you to not ignore the 18 million vote. This woman has achieved something that no other women have in history. Recognize that and admit she is something. If you cover your eyes and ears and say that the other 18 million people are delusional, then you are just as delusional, in your own way.

This is a dumb article. Are you really a journalist? Maybe you need some time off? A lot of time off?

While your words were not particularly kind to Hillary, her inconsistencies were what finally destroyed her campaign. I have often wondered if she wanted to become President so she could serve divorce papers on her sleazy husband and show him who is boss!

I think she should go back to doing her job as a US Senator. Time to go back to work since we are paying you.

Wow, setting aside all Hillary/Obama drama. This article reads like a 12-year-old girl writing about her bad boy friend in a dog-eared notebook with hearts on it. It wreaks of this new journalism where writers think they "know" celebrities.
It's also a sad reality this is what we have to expect from most journalism these days.
You don't "know" Hillary, Sally. That article made you look like a complete moron.
I feel more stupid having read this.

Sally,

I appreciate your advice to Hillary to find the space within herself to reflect deeply on the course of her life and her silent being. Not exactly, 'get thee to a nunnery...', but a more personally chosen retreat for reflection on the course & purpose of her life. I think we can all benefit from such time away from the demands of our lives.

Yet, for a woman of Hillary's fame and recognition, do you seriously think that she could simply disappear to Africa or India to work w/ AIDS patients? Didn't you just say that more words had been written about her than any other woman in the world? Madonna's adoption circus in Africa would be a blip on the screen compared to Hillary trying to quietly attend to poor and disenfranchised in Africa or India.

Also, if you don't mind me noting (since I live in Kathmandu...), why is it necessary to go to India or Africa for Hillary to find AIDS patients and herself? What's wrong w/ Chicago or SE DC or wherever there is suffering and alienation in America?

Yes, the sentiment is right, but America, methinks, is the right place for Mrs. Clinton to find herself, to reflect on 'her inner voice' and, hopefully, come out with a clearer sense of purpose.

At different moments in our lives, we can each benefit from such time apart from the world and within our Selves.

best, Keith D. Leslie

This is just a rehash of a post from last week - still just as sexist and ridiculous as the previous.

Sally,
Right on. If she were already wise, she would have announced her separation from Bill in her big speech on Saturday. But she is still gaming, triangulating with him for 2012. The wave has passed the Bush-Clinton Dynasty by. Even in Pakistan now, her elite-mate Bhutto's party is seen as illegitimate.
How could America deal with this kind of dysfunction for another 8 years? Bill Clinton was always a con man and a liar, and should have lost to Jerry Brown. It has taken America 16 years to grow up enough to recognize the con. Even my own mother voted for Hillary, despite her attempt to assasinate me, her own son, in 1995, at the behest of the Bilderbergers, just because I was developing fusion power and wouldn't kow-tow to the powers that make it impossible (the Queens of Europe and America).

what a bunch of BS. You trying to make a name for yourself in her back. Maybe you need a retreat.

what a bunch of BS. You trying to make a name for yourself in her back. Maybe you need a retreat.

Please give this woman a break ! Don't you know that all women have to take care of ALL the Details of life. She did find herself. She is
amazing - could you do what she has managed to do.
She would make a Great President and Bill would
be put in his place. There is no slowing down in
life. I for one respect and admire her.

Wife, Mother, Sister

Lin Turner

Are you writing about Hillary Clinton or, perhaps, yourself?

Are you writing about Hillary Clinton or, perhaps, yourself

With all due respect, I think YOU should go on a silent retreat -

Sally, she got support from 18 million people. Are you upset because she really is a powerfull woman and you are not? Shame on you!!! I am sure she is happier than you!!!

A sabbatical will allow her to re-emerge in time to win the nomination in the event of an Obama collapse--following more coverage on Rezco, Wright, Ayers or a combination. Gingrich may be right on one thing: this race has proved unpredictable, and still contains combustible elements, ranging from McCain's health to Obama's staying power.

The joke is on Hillary...if she wants to run again in 2012 she still has to suffer the close encounters with the "little" people. This from a woman with great disdain for anyone not of her choosing. In his book about life in the White House during the Clinton reign, author and FBI agent Gary Aldrich told how people in the White House were not supposed to look her in the face and also the vile language she used against her FBI and other protectors and servants. And as always the myths perpetuated by the Clinton campaign persist even in stories like this such as she gave up a successful career in Washington, D.C. to join her husband in Arkansas. She not only did not pass the bar exam in D.C. but her boss on the Nixon impeachment committee would not recommend her at the end of her service for another job. And then there are the ones about Chelsea (as say opposed to the Bush girls). What rot! And when is she to earn her pay in the Senate?

Hillary has done NOTHING except waste time ane money!!

Who was doing her "job" in the Senate??? She never has done anything there either except advance her egocentric agenda. She is worthless, arrogant, obnoxious, and irritating. Maybe she will have a stroke, or a brain tumor, or something along those lines!!!!

The message you have lost is that 18 million people believed in her. Its not about you Sally Quinn and how you feel about Hillary, more importantly its about them and about how they feel about her. How pretentious of you. You are one of those women, who give women a bad name. Shame on you! Perhaps you should follow your own advice and find some alone, quite time yourself!

I loved this article!

Hillary has always overlooked the glaringly obvious truth when she looks for reason/excuses. She is simply LESS likeable than Obama. She's always "fighting" something or someone. She just needs to chill the heck out. Unlikeable is unlikeable.

I think she should go back to Arkansas, or Scranton, or Illinois, or wherever she's claiming to be from this week.

I just know she lives waaay too close to CT. It makes us nervous around here.

Ciao

leave her alone, if you have nothing to say good.
okay.

Maybe the issue isn't Hillary finding one voice but the failure of the media to recognize that a complicated, intelligent woman cannot be put into the media's limited selection of boxes.

Well said.

Sally Quinn.

You are an example of the worst kind of journalism
in America, what ever happened to just reporting the news. Like we care about your opinion1! Do you think you will be remembered in 100 years, I don't think so. Don't you just wish you had l8 million readers? I will not be among your readers in the future.
Anybody but Obama in "08"

sHE SHOULD RUN AS A iNDEPENDENT

Sally: The last thing Hillary Clinton needs to do is to take unsolicited advice from a random Washington Post hack.

I forgot to mention: Obama/Pelosi 08

Hillary Clinton is one of this nations most shrewd politicians, yet she still lost. No matter how much she tries to convince the public that she is a victim, the majority of people do not/ will not believe her. She always seems to be talking out the side of her mouth. Also, "she changed her name." Really, that is relevant?

I think Sally Quinn, also, needs a silent retreat...

What a new age dope this woman is!