Congress: Don't be a bully, repeal "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"

TO: APAGANPLACE ~ Sorry, my posts aren't so much about the DADT policy of the Armed Forces as they are about the false teachings of Ms. Thistlethwaite. To wit: She stated, "No one should be made to feel ashamed of who God created them to be. It's an insult to God as Creator, and a failure of the moral teaching to love your neighbor as yourself. If you love God and neighbor, you won't bully and you'll accept yourself the way God made you, and you'll accept your neighbor for who he or she is as a child of God."

The Lord no more created some to be homosexuals than He did others to be adulterers, fornicators, liars, thieves, murderers, coveters, etc. That was the purpose of my quoting scriptures ~ to show that it's all about mankinds' sin nature. We're all guilty of infractions to God's immutable laws and His desire on how we should live our lives. That is why Jesus died on the cross ~ to take our sins upon Himself and to impart the Holy Spirit into our lives so that we can subsequently have the power to change our behavior to conform to His will. As Christians, we should no longer have the tendency to heed to the desires of the flesh that are contrary to our new spiritual nature.

I served in the U.S. Navy almost 60 years ago and there were, doubtless, gays within our ranks back then. For the most part, they were closet gays. They didn't bother me and I didn't bother them. I was my own sinner under some of the other categories.

So, I'm not into this discussion to debate DADT. I'm in it to expose Thistlethwaite as a false teacher. She claims to be a Christian and a pastor, so, she should be upholding the Word of God and winning souls for deliverance from their fleshy desires, whether it be homosexuality or any of the other aforementioned sins, that are contrary to God's perfect will for our lives.

Nikos, DADT was wrong and based on fears and anti-gay propaganda which militaries all over the world have proven not to have been true.

You can cut and paste your whole Bible if you want, it wont make this policy just, American, or the will of the people or the will of the troops, or any good for our society.

You and a minority of radical Christians having a religious belief doesn't give you the right to impose that belief so harmfully on so many others.

It's corrosive to our society and harmful to LGBT Americans, particularly in terms of the further lies and defamations the Christian Right uses to delay justice in this matter, while sending the message that LGBT kids are not among those considered full citizens in our own country, even if we put our lives on the line for it.

Gladerunner: Just so you know, I haven't always been a Christian. In fact I was 40 years old when I accepted Christ. I am now 75. When I received the Holy Spirit, my mind was opened to understand God's Word. Before then, I was just as confused as you when reading the Bible. Scripture tells us "...the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." (1 Corinthians 2:14)

That is why you stated, ".....if in fact 'God's ways are a mystery?'". But a Christian begins to understand God's ways as evidenced by the following scriptures.

1.Mark 4:11
And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

2.Romans 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

3.Romans 16:25
Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

4.1 Corinthians 2:7
But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

5.1 Corinthians 15:51
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

6.Ephesians 1:9
Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

7.Ephesians 3:3
How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

8.Ephesians 3:4
Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

9.Ephesians 3:9
And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

10.Ephesians 5:32
This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

11.Ephesians 6:19
And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,

12.Colossians 1:26
Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

13.Colossians 1:27
To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

14.Colossians 2:2
That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;

15.Colossians 4:3
Withal praying also for us, that God would open unto us a door of utterance, to speak the mystery of Christ, for which I am also in bonds:

nikosd99:
"Gladerunner: Did you ever consider accepting God's Amazing Grace? Watch, listen and be Blessed!"

FYI... Anyone that claims to be an atheist, and actively debates scriptural meaning and religious doctrine has more than likely considered 'accepting god's amazing grace.'
They (we) have already thoroughly considered it, studied it, and then declined the offer.
Have you ever considered ditching your superstition, your faith in ancient fairy tales and mythology?
Have you ever considered asking your religion the tough questions and not just taking "because we said so" or "it's a matter of faith" as an answer?
Have you ever asked your priests/parsons/vicars why we need them at all if in fact 'God's ways are a mystery?'
Thanks, but no thanks friend..

Gladerunner: Did you ever consider accepting God's Amazing Grace? Watch, listen and be Blessed!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY8J35OXVxg&feature=related

nikosd99:
“I didn't know your grandmother so I can't answer as to why she wasn't healed. Was she truly a born again Christian or was she merely a Christian in name only? Did she have any unconfessed sins? Did she partake in the Lord's supper unworthily? “

Wow, nikos, really? That was the problem? She may have partaken of the Lord’s Supper unworthily? Otherwise she’d still be dancing in the aisles? THIS is what you believe?
She was not healed because she suffered from the combination of a vary healthy body, heart, lungs, cancer free, but combined with a sad case of severe dementia, an ailment/failure of the higher processes of the brain, in bible times this would be considered demon possession.
Do people die of cancer only because they didn’t properly partake of the Lord’s Supper, or is it because nearly everyone who lives long enough will contract one form of cancer or another, many of these cancers being either immune or resistant to known treatments, so it spreads and they die. Which do you really, really think more likely?
As you know when you ask god for something there are several possible results. 1. He will act on your prayer. 2. He will answer ‘not yet’. 3. He will say ‘no’ if it is not consistent with his master plan.
Why didn’t your list of reasons for the lack of healing include ‘It was simply not god’s will’? Curious.
The problem with that option is that it negates the belief that god will answer all our prayers as asked. That all we have to do is say the right things, burn the right incense, properly sip the grape juice and righteously swallow the cracker and he will answer our prayers.
In your religion our prayers are ALWAYS secondary to his will, and we do not, cannot know his will.
This is why, in your belief system that bad things happen to good people, it is why you are constantly calling out to your god and getting what sounds exactly like no response.
The fact of the matter is this. Bad things happen to good and bad people, good and bad people suffer from injury, grief, and disease. Some will heal, some will not, regardless of how many people join hands and pray for their recovery. In other words, the outcome is identical to the same scenario when there is no prayer/proper performance of rites.
In your religion if a person who prays/is prayed for heals, then it’s declared a miracle of divine intervention. If they do not heal, it was simply because of human error, as you suggest, or God had other plans, bigger, mysterious plans that we will never understand. It’s a win-win for your religion and your prophets and priests.
It’s snake oil writ large, and you're standing in line to fork over your money.

“Where are you going to spend eternity?”
The same place I ‘existed’ before I was born.

To Gladerunner.

My ability to judge what kind of persons God wants us to be is based on the very scriptures that I posted. It is also based on the following verses from 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God."

I didn't know your grandmother so I can't answer as to why she wasn't healed. Was she truly a born again Christian or was she merely a Christian in name only? Did she have any unconfessed sins? Did she partake in the Lord's supper unworthily? The following verses place some conditions on being healed.

James 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

1 Corinthians 11:27-31 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.

Finally, Jesus said in Matthew 24:6-8, "And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows."

Satan is still the prince of this present world. As long as he is alive and not so well, we will have all kinds of sorrows and catastrophes. God allows it, but He can use it to bring people to their senses and repentance. The day is coming when God will finally put it all to an end. He will judge the heavens and the earth. Jesus Christ is coming again. He is not slack in fulfilling this promise, but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. (2 Peter 3:9)

Where are you going to spend eternity?

I guess homosexuality is a divine error, and I blame God. It's a design problem that results in many babies being born with unclear gender information, and you'd think that after thousands and thousands of years God would have corrected it by now. But this God never does anything. It's almost as if He isn't there,

However, it's ridiculous to call it immoral. I think its more evidence that God is either a lazy incompetent, or dead.

Nikosd99

You are the one spreading false doctrines and false teachings.

Repeat your lies as many times as you like, they will not get any truer.

THEBUMP:
"Homosexual conduct is immoral"
More or less immoral than war?

Homosexual conduct is immoral. The authoress is an ignoramus.

"If you have gay tendencies, ask Jesus Christ into your life and ask Him to change you into what He created you to be. "
Who are you to judge what a person was 'created to be'? I've known people who asked Jesus to take away all kinds of afflictions, mental, emotional, as well as physical, yet not a one of them has had their prayers actually answered. How can we expect god to heal homosexual tendencies when he won't even heal birth defects and child killing diseases? My own grandmother (and dozens of her friends) prayed every day for her dementia to stop taking her thoughts away, she lived twenty more years in a bed, fed with a tube, in a stupor, couldn't even clean herself or recognize her only child. But now you expect an uncaring Jesus to make homosexual tendencies go way? Why would he even bother? Tsunamis and earthquakes don't even rouse him to take action.

This false teacher, Thistlethwaite, often quotes scripture (mostly out of context) when it suits her purpose. I wonder if she would care to give us her interpretation of the following verses from Roman 1:18-32. It hardly appears that God created us to be as those pointed out in these scriptures.

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

If you have gay tendencies, ask Jesus Christ into your life and ask Him to change you into what He created you to be. This holds true also for adulterers, fornicators, liars, thieves, murderers, coveters, etc. God Bless you as you seek His Truth.

It will shock me if the repeal this law. The religious base in the country are too powerful and want to condem the gay community. Their votes, the Tea Party crowd will never vote for someone who favors changing this law.
The ignorance still remains that they can "just get over it with prayer". Give me a break!