Abortion: Rhetoric or Results

Reese wrote: "During the current Bush Administration, these declines have slowed almost to a standstill."

Reese links the Guttmacher Institute (pro-choice), from which he quoted the second half of the statement above. The source for this is the following document:
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/2006/08/03/ab_incidence.pdf

It lists the estimated abortion incident rates:
2001-2003: 21.2, 20.9, 20.8

But a later report corrected those numbers with more data:
http://guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/4000608.pdf
2001-2005: 20.9, 20.5, 20.2, 19.7, 19.4

These numbers are hardly slowing "to almost a standstill."

I'm no Republican but why should I pay for someone else's responsibility, especially if the choice to have a child or not is taken away from me? It's very interesting to note that those who argue for pro-life, or claim Roe vs Wade is a bad law, really have no conception of the intrusive legal and biological rape they want to force on women. Because essentially this is what it comes down to. I remember when abortion was illegal. I remember the pain inflicted on young women who had made a mistake and were forced to change change their lives because biology makes a women pay for sex, but not a man. I remember girls so desperate they would go to back alley abortionists and die from coat hangars shoved up their uterus. I am not willing to accept that situation again for young women, especially when it is imposed by someone else's religious beliefs which I do not share. I don't believe life begins because a cell undergoes mitosis. the egg and sperm are already living cells- the whole body is composed of living cells. Dead cells don't fertilize. At fertilization all that happens is egg meets sperm, egg divides and begins to devlop. Eventually it will become a child, but not for weeks.

My freedom of religion is impinged upon as well as my rights to my body.I find it offensive that a catholic priest who cannot have children, either biologically nor by dint of career feels he can make decisions for a woman. I would be willing to say yes to taxpayer money for more programs to help reduce abortions, but not if women lose the right to choose.

The majority of people who are pro-life have lost sight of the fact that abortion is not just about a fetus. They would be the first to scream and yell about having their right to bear guns, but don't even blink about taking away women's rights. They scream and yell and boycott stores that say Holiday Greetings instead of Merry Christmas, but yet feel it is perfectly fine to butt into someone's private business to impose their own "morality" upon them. They have no qualms about attacking doctors in Planned Parenthood clinics or denying a woman her birth control pills in pharmacies. But they will scream about their tax money paying for welfare.

You may not like roe vs. wade, but a bad law it's not.

America must rid itself of this horrific sin.Since 1973 50,000,000 unborn children ahve been killed. That number is 12 times the population of the state in which I live.

America must rid itself of this horrific sin.Since 1973 50,000,000 unborn children have been killed. That number is 12 times the population of the state in which I live.

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Folks:

PatrickSarsfield writes:

"No, it's our government too. And it is also the government of the little babies Cleo would seek to destroy."

I don't think by "babies" he means incested children, so it's hard to figure. My guess is he means fertilized eggs. Now if Catholic women who become pregnant don't wish to have an abortion they need not. If Patrick Sarsfield wants to keep fertizlized eggs alive, he should talk to all mammals who produce them, or the holy men and holy animals who regulate them, for example, priests and elephants.

Letter To The American "JO'KTAN Nationalis "Hue{mate's of, Holy Cosmic-Built, Space Ship Ma/Pa Earth(s), not Bibles(s), not Teanach(s), not Quran(s), not Gita(s), not Kangyur(s)..!:

Hello Mr. T.J. Reese et al: AND

Hello {WORLD}!:

Reality: The U.S. Dollar is not Worth The Paper It's Printed On [valued at +/- 0.3, cents. if that!, Note: a copper Penney is worth more in Copper than the Penney]

Subj: Something On "CHURCH-Based" SUPER-Wealth:

Before "i" begin, Please Keep in Mind that The Italian 'lire' was 'Euro-ized' not U.S. Almighty Dollar?, not long Ago. So Today, think of the VATiCAN's NET WORTH in 'EURO' that's worth more then the Dollar. And

Keep in Mind , that the U.S.A.'s Financial Woe's arose from the fact that, that Oil Cartels, will soon demand , or conversion into the EURO, in effect DUMPING Worthless Dollars {backed by TRillions & Trillions of DEbt that finally Caught-Up to Us via Nepotistic Prez BUSH's & McCains & Co.s via Naive and or a Corrupt Congress} and

maybe converting some into Russian Rubil's, a Nation that has the Highest Credit-Rating On Earth! Schame America! America is embarrassed Now! instead of mostly U.S. Dollars [Leaving no Money to Lend it's 300.3 Million Citizenary/society].

Secret Example: When we import PETRO, say 1-Million Barrels, that Saudi 'DEPOSiT" their Money in, say, Bank Of America, Chase, Citicorp et al. Then the Banks inturn keep 15% in "RESERVE" then are free to Package that Money as Loans (House, School, Car, Stocks, Bonds, Puts, Funds, Charity, Commercial Loans too...) with 'Usary/Interest rates (Fixed or Adjusted or Contractual) attached!

Hence There are 'Strings Attached" , meaning "i" will Show The World How Robber Barrons ,in Religio Garb, are in Cahooch with their 'Agents' dressed in SEcular Garb's in America & Elsewhere. A Satanic Sinfull Conspiracy of the Nth [un] Kind so to spaketh TRUTH (opposite of MYTH].

--- Therefore:

Att: Mr. Reese:, YE, A Georgetown University Puppet [Whom Compromise this WAPO 'onfaith' or 'onreligion' Blog via Sally Quinn et al] is a "Finacial Special-Agent"? or Reporter of the Vatican Church & YE Holy (not OUR)SEE:

Amazing, () NO GRACE!

In 1996 Ye Mr. REESE Wrote a Book Entitled:
"Inside the Vatican" (Harvard University
Press, 1996. see pp. 202-229 et seq.

--- Please Keep in mimd since 1994 the Italian 'Lire' is converted, like a butterfly, to EURO!

Here is an EXCERPT:

Thomas J. Reese, an American Vatican expert.. at Georgetown University, In his book, "Inside the Vatican" (Harvard University
Press, 1996 he examines the finances of the Vatican (Chapter on Vatican finances see pp. 202-229).

Reese examines first the IOR (Instituto
per le Opere di Religione) The IOR was founded in 1887 to help the Pope manage his finances after the fall of the Papal States.

In 1994, for the first time in its history
the bank was audited? by an outside element - Price Waterhouse (today PriceWaterhouseCoopers, Wall Street Investment Bankers?. Note: Shearson Lehman Bros. is also their Banker, RothChild's Too, Black Stone Group , Merrill Lynch ,Et al)

In that year, the bank had deposits of [Lire] $40 billion, and annual profits of $4 million.
Reese notes, after an interview with the head of the bank, that "it is unclear how much working capital the bank has beyond its deposits",
and that some estimated it as high as $1 billion, before 1984 payments to creditors of a collapsing Italian Bank (a scandal known as "Banco
Amrosiano" Scandal)

--- Note: "i"ve written about this 'Secret Religio Mafios'os Banker Worlds' before; sometime last year & not long ago, this year, exclusively on WAPO here, but was Jealously Deleted by ???) This 'Church Based Scandal {not PEDPHiLE scandals] involved 3-MURDERS in that Scandal). Please see: VATiCAN MURDERS & Conspiracies here:
http://www.reformation.org/rockefeller-pentagon-mafia.html

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Continue EXCERPT: ... The budget of the Vatican City itself is $130 million annually.

In 1994 (note: Think If Ye Owned a House Back Then, so ask, "How Much is it Worth Today?"), the audit listed:

in 1994 Gold Bullion (24k) was +/- 50$ an Ounce.

- 1,483 billion [$ TRiLLiON] lire; in assets [About $848 million]:

- 29 billion in gold, and 470
billion in fixed assets - investments and real-estate)

- 269 billion
lire are in deposits and accounts of Vatican entities,

- 732 billion lire [about $419 million] in liabilities (in the "Consolidated Financial Statements of the Holy See"

- 410 billion in
cash,

- 479 billion in stocks and bonds,

- 96 billion for
employees' [Pedphiles et al] severance indemnities and

- 262 billion at the value of
pensions to present employees;
- 750 billion are in net assets [$430 million].

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So, In Today's DOLLARS or now "EURO", that (to investigate others Church 'Hidden' Riches (like hiden MANNA from Heaven), please Google/Yahoo Key Word 'net Worth' of...) and Ye will seeth that the VATiCAN ROMAN 'CATHOLIC' Church (domestic & abroad) of This World is, Ironically More Wealthy Than Many Sovereign (Developed & undeveloped) Nations & somewhat more-Wealthy than our U.Nited S.tates Governments Treasury Today!!!!!!!!!

Note: The 'Net Worth" of the American Based MORMON Churches of this World also have Lots of ASSETS, unlike the U.S. Federal Treasury, in the 'Black', not the 'Red'! And See How much Moneys that the Church of England Haseth & the EVANgelicals Church's of this world Combined!?????????????

Note again: Under EKLAHTi-On Gridarian Democracy Civilization, Believe "i", These 'Faith-Based" Business {Catholics, Evangelicals, Anglicans, Mormons etc..) should all be Visited by Dear "UNCLE-SAM & AUNT-SAM & Have All Their [For Being Sneaky RELiGiO Robber Barons via RELiGiO MAFiOSO Activities around the Financials World] Assets Accounted For & Taken Away entitled or Entrusted to the U.S. Government!

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--- BOTTOM LiNE:

Where are the Evangelical South KOREAN Development Banks??? {they had a lot to do with Buying the ‘Risky’ U.S. Mortgages as if buying guaranteed (pledged) U.S. Treasury’s!, knowing darn well [or thinking] that Tax-Payers will inevitably bail-out the Robber Barons via FANNiE MAY & Freddie Mac & Fed Reserve , Bush’s, Chaney’s & McCains et al. Not OBAMA! He is only in the Middle of It or Ingereited or is holding the Evangelical loving Nepotistic Bush’s REPUBLiCAN kokka in the bag, so to spaketh Truth (ooposite of MYTH)!

That Because of what the Religio Mafio'so's and PEDPHiLia did, and by being the Wealthiest Roman Catholic-CHURCH, On Earth in America & Elsewhere;

That Prezident BUSH & McCAiN & Co's Should NOT, NO, NEVER, ZERO [Never Usurp into a Yes: NO BAiL-OUT of Vatican, Morman, Angelical & Evangelical owned Banks & their Robber Barron Bankers, Investors or Borrowers] 'Borrow' , From The People (Tax Payers) ANY 1-Red-Cent!

NO-BAIL-OUT-OF-WALL-STREET & Conspirators in This un-Holy Financial Crime of the Century!

So: VOTE: To Confiscate or Make the "CHURCHES" not The "STATE" Come-up With 777-Billion {Trillion Dollars!}!

Trivia: Did Ye Know, that it only Takes 1-Trillion Dollars to crate a 14/28-Trillion? Dollars to build a WALL STREET !, Yes! A ration of 1:14 or 1:28. It was mostly the Vatican Trillions that They Used & the Arab Petro ‘No-Interest’ Dollars too!

PS: Beside the U.S. Dollars Low Esteem, that Another Reason behind Americas "Dollar Dumping" is Because the Oil Cartels SEE the 'Writing on the Wall' in that U.S. will become Self Sufficient (causing a drastic Drop in Foreign Oil or Dependency, aka Demand), so now DEMOCRATS are Left Holding the Bag after Another Republican Admin Hurricane compromised OUR Oval Office, White House for His (Their) Wealthy American Religio FRiENDS et al!

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Sh{ame Sh{ame Cryin SH{AME Ye Wealthy Evangelical & Wealthy Canterbury Angelical & Wealthy Vaticans Catholics & Wealthy LDS MORMONs CHURCH based Secret Bankers System etc..!!

-- Vote: Time For All American REligio (not Secular) Churches, Synagogues, Mosques, Temples & other Organized 'Tax-Exempt' places of Worship to "TARE-DOWN-THAT [Financial] WALL"

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Schame on Bush, Chaney , McCain & FRiENDS for trying to distract Ye Thievery & Robber Barons (lobbyists et al) by playin the "Russia Federation" , via offensive Caucus George (worse than Gypsies) or attempting to Blame Russia for Bank Rupt America under Republicans & Friends! aka Robber Barons & Captains of Industry ARMYs!

Note: around 1913 the U.S. Federal Reserve Deposited (by Trickery & knowingly & STOLE & then Planted the Bolshivik Russian Revolution of 1914+) so that The CZARiST [Depositor/Benneficiary] Get Overthrown (Killed; Which King Nicholis's Family was Murdered by American Puppets] and the Investment Bankers get to KEEP RUSSiA's GOLD BUllion. Today worth at 3.3 Trillion!!! “I” guess The Theft of Russian Land, not only Aboriginals, via the ‘Alaska Purchase of 1867’ was not enough for WAR Mongering Satanic Players; Robber Barons international! Now their Hiding in China & Europe under Different Names & Institutions & Mergers & Acquisition and other Morphing techniques!

Remember & Never Forget: That During The CiVil War, Russia helped defeat the South by Helping Abe Lincoln [pbuh et al], not via Bankers Barons such as RothChilds (who financed Both North & South at the time and wars in Europe) And also financed all side fighting during WW1, and WW2!!!), via many faces of KUen Loeb, Lehmans, Warburgs et al.

VOTE: like Separation of Church & State, then Vote, Separation of Private Bankers & their Qauzi NGO's from STATE! NO NO NO Bail-out! Let The CHURCH's, Bail Out them Judeo-Ju's & Judeo-Christs & Judeo-Islamics & Judeo-Hindus & Judeo-Buddhists et al!!! Not TAX PAYERS of [SECULAR/State lovers] America!

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Paganplace, Paganplace, Paganplace,

Still waiting for those "Confirm Thy Soul In Self-Control" Wiccan spells!!!!!

And hopefully you accept some responsibility for the world being out of control sexually. I mean just hard is it to come up with an effective abstinence spell.

Folks,
Cleo writes:

"Any Catholic who doesn't want an abortion doesn't have to have one. In the meantime, stay the f*ch out of my government."

No, it's our government too. And it is also the government of the little babies Cleo would seek to destroy.

Folks,
Cleo writes:
"Any Catholic who doesn't want an abortion doesn't have to have one. In the meantime, stay the f*ch out of my government."

No. It's my government too, and it is the government of the little babies Cleo would seek to destroy.

Folks,
Cleo writes:
"Any Catholic who doesn't want an abortion doesn't have to have one. In the meantime, stay the f*ch out of my government."

No. It's my government too, and it is the government of the little babies Cleo would seek to destroy.

"With Great Sex, comes Great Responsibility. "

Can't be bothered with much less, myself, but I guess everyone has an off night here and there. Point?

With Great Sex, comes Great Responsibility.

I mean, hey, we all know overturning Roe V Wade won't reduce abortions or the dreaded premarital sex, but you wanna set precedent against the 'activist' 'right to privacy?'

I call.

Let's see what you've won.

"Let me be clear. I think Roe v. Wade was a bad decision. It was bad law. It was a classic case of judicial activism."

Actually, you're wrong, here, Padre.

It's a good decision. It's good law. The legal reasoning behind it is *not* about a referendum on whether or not we like abortion, but rather a court rightly stepping in to rule that the government just *can't* step into a woman's uterus just cause a popular theological idea decides to play hyperbole.

This is what 'pro life' people *refuse to get.* The ruling is not about abortion.

It's about government.

And if your church wants to be 'activist' and overturn the right to privacy just so you can spuriously claim it reduces abortions...

You got another thing coming.

For one, if you overturn the right to privacy how you indoctrinate your kids, and cover up the abuses...

Well, you don't believe in privacy, do you?

Oh, but you only meant my body, did you? Oh, but you only mean my *uterus,* not my person.

Ask Cardinal Law how he feels about the 'right to privacy.'

Are we to give up what he used so well, just for a sense of 'moral superiority' ...in certain cases, as long as it's not a priest, or 'traditional' abuse, or... Well, who knows.

Actually, Padre. It was *good* law.

It was about what would happen to our law if the likes of *you* were allowed to intrude upon people's personal moral choices.

If you don't like the right to privacy, ....look out.

Cause I got dirt on what some folks who don't like 'activist judges' consider 'private.

Wanna?

Paganplace, Paganplace, Paganplace,

What made you think I hate sex. Great gift from Nature/God!!! As noted by the abortion and STD rates sex is, however, out of control. So we await your "Control Thy Soul in Self Control (Second verse of America the Beautiful)" spells!!! A few spells for improved "hand jiving" also might help!!!!

We are results driven.
http://www.adoptionnetwork.com/
I love babies http://www.adoptionnetwork.com/images/home/baby.jpg

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VOTE: Abolish the [NGO] FED-Reserve!:

Abolish the FED-Reserve!

Remember: Haste MaKES WASE! Do not Let the Satans [ Lame Duck Prez Bush & Co.] Push Ye to decide Now!

Vote: "COLD TURKEY" for NGO Financial Institutions! Abolish the FED-Reserve!

Vote: "COLD TURKEY" for NGO Financial Institutions!

Not Tax-Payers Money! Tell Them, "The Survival of the Fittest Applies Too!"

REMEMBER Ye History, Ye Jury & Everybody’s Biz:

The FEDERAL RESERVE (a Robber Baron Bank SYSTEM, not Secular!), was Created on HASTE on Christmas-Eve 1913! The Federal Reserve is Contrary to the U.S. Constitution that Lets CONGRESS, not Federal Reserve’ to Create Money! Please see Quasi Fed Reserve Robber Baron's SYSTEM with Parachutes here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve

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VOTE: NO NO NO Bail-Out NOW! It Could Wait January 2009, not 2008!

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WAiT for The Bail, if any, AFTER the E L E C T i O N!

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" Concerned The Christian Now Liberated:

Pills to arouse and pills to abort so where are the pills to eliminate the sex drive? "

Goddess, Mother of All, CCNL.

If you hate sex that much, go scourge yourself. It's not that *F'n* hard. Especially not for you, I'll wager.

There's an election on which has a lot to do with if any of these babies you're so worried about can expect to have *food* by the time you're trying to tell them to hate themselves that much.

Pills to arouse and pills to abort so where are the pills to eliminate the sex drive?

Who needs them you say? Catholic priests, teenagers, young adults and Muslim husbands.

Of course, "auditioning your finger puppets"
is a lot cheaper and safer.

Any Catholic who doesn't want an abortion doesn't have to have one. In the meantime, stay the f*ch out of my government.

Overturning Roe, thereby inviting the 50 states to decide on abortion law, will have two great advantages. (1) It will be a gain for the principle of democracy, since the law will be written by law-makers elected by the people instead of by unelected law-making judges. (2) It will mitigate the ferocity of the culture war. It will no longer be a fight that goes on in Washington DC, distorting the shape of our national politics. Instead it will be fight that takes place in 50 state capitols. And in most of those capitols it won't be a ferocious fight, since in most states one side or the other will have an overwhelming advantage.

Life begins at birth. This does not mean that abortion should be used as birth control. But to not allow it in cases of rape, or where the mother's health would be affected is morally wrong. That should be between the woman and her doctors. (in this case the right wing folks have it right...)

Anyone opposed to abortion at some point has to admit that making it illegal doesn't make it go away; stigmatizing women who have abortions only causes pain; demonizing people who support women's rights only undermines our democracy. People opposed to abortion should stop trying to make it illegal because that only harms women. Instead they should work with progressives to improve sex ed and contraception access so that people have a better sense of their sexual health, and can accept individual responsibility for the choices they make to avoid unintended pregnancies. Supporting social policies, and economic policies that support lower and middle income families, instead of Wall Street millionaires makes sense to. The fact that economies are better under Democrats and abortion rates decline is telling, but it appears those who believe abortion should be illegal just want to support economic policies that punish families and tell everyone else what to do. America can do better by rejecting the divisive politics of extremists and standing up for common sense public policy. Religious beliefs should inform individuals and families as they see fit, they should not be imposed on us as official government policy and it seems that is what the USCCB is really about.

Abortion boils down to one simple question, when does human life begin?

And one paramount law:

Thou Shalt Not Kill

Added considerations:

The soul (if it exists) separates personkind from the animalkind. If personkind starts at conception then said soul is present at said conception. Aborting/murdering i.e. denying nourishment to or poisoning this body and soul kills the body but not the soul. The RCC says the aborted soul goes to limbo. What rubbish!! The souls from aborted bodies definitely would go to Heaven (if it exists) as these spirits would be perfectly pure.

Do said souls require the future ability to think? To be able to know right from wrong? Do the souls of mentally disabled fetuses, have this ability? Do they then have souls or not? Are they to be considered personkind or only animalkind?

Are our mentally disabled brothers and sisters to be considered animals? Have our senior citizens with dementia or Alzheimers lost their souls and now to be considered animals?

Or maybe we should protect all of our brothers and sisters at every stage of their lives without considering the state of their souls??