Balancing rights and prudence

Actually, Muslims do have intermarriages. I am a product of one, I'm half-Turkish, half-Ukrainian and since I'm a renaissance person, I consider myself to be quite an excellent product. So horray for intermarriages, they produce excellent results. :)

This issue that Tom Flynn broaches here is the critical point in the discussion of "Radical" Islam. I have heard the statement far too many times that "Islam has been high-jacked by radicals;" this is wholly inaccurate. If Islam has been high-jacked, it is by the media and those who wish to maintain their political correctness. The truth of the matter is that the terrorist who perpetrated the 9/11 attacks are the ones who really “get” Islam; they aren’t members of some right-wing wacko sect within the religion, they are mainstreamers.

I found Flynn’s comments that Christianity has blood on its hands to be out of place; not untrue, but out of place. Mark A. Gabriel put it best when he said, “you cannot understand Christianity by what Christians do, nor can you understand Islam by what Muslims do. You have to go to the original sources” (216). What he is saying is that in order to understand Islam you have to look at what Mohamed, its founder, preached. In the Quran and hadith Mohamed makes very clear that jihad is a physical conflict which is the duty of Muslims, with the goal of bringing the entire world under Sharia (Islamic Law). The difference between Christianity and Islam is that when the Christian Crusaders participated in the Crusades and the Catholic Church initiated the Inquisition, they were acting in blatant disregard of the teaching of Jesus Christ; when the Islamic terrorists flew the planes into the World Trade Center towers they were acting in strict accordance with the teachings of Mohamed.

Muslim1908, I hope you are the latter and this post prompts you to do some research on Islam; seriously, read the book!

[1] Gabriel, Mark A. Jesus and Mohamed: Profound differences and Surprising Similarities. 2004

catken1 Yes there are violent passages in the Judeo-Christian scriptures. There is, however, no directive to continue violence in order to get to heaven. The quran directs its' followers to commit violence against non-muslims for rewards. I bet you think the Crusades were an offensive action to, dhimmi

So should we declare that no Christian church should be built near any area where violence has been done to gay people, because Fred Phelps calls himself a Christian and attacks gay people in the name of Christianity?

There are horrific and warlike passages in the Bible, too. If we can accept that people as morally different from each other as Fred Phelps and Fred Rogers both claim/ed to be Christians and followers of Christ, and that both claim/ed to find inspiration for their opposing ethical codes of conduct in the Bible, can we not also accept that adherents of Islam occupy a similarly huge moral spectrum?

REMEMBER & Never forget:

KAFIR Nations (not ishmaeli) "THINK GLOBALLY & ACT LOCALLY". But ISLAMi's Nationals, here to, Think Locally & Act Globally [for global JiHADD via local "AL TAQIYAH" ways, think WAHHABISM+]. Soo

When & only When a "KAFIR" can freely Walk in Saudi Arabia or Iran or Syria or (yes) TURKEY includes Practicing "FREEDOM OF RELIGION" (International LAW + via U.S.A. FEDERAL Constitution, and STATES, Way of Freedom of Religion ) via their 54 "OiC" Councils. So; if a Christian can walk in Mecca streets with a Cross hanging out and truly (opposite Myth) be free from "Islami Religiou Police" Authorities; Then a "PEACEFUL iSLAM": will Prove to US [K A F i R' S] how sincere WAHHABi + AYATOLLAH ummah is; Else LIMIT ISLAMI's RIGHTS in U.S.A.! Even if takes another 1,000+ years!

That these wannabe Integrated Americans are Not like as if YAHUDi (JEW) asks to build a SINagogue where there is lots of 'Intermarriages" etc. Because

Under Islami Communities They will Not Have Intermarriages (unlike Yahudi; their Enemy?).

Recommendation: ISLAMi' Ummah in U.S.A. & Elsewhere, should have limited Rights! WHYyyyy? BECAUSE

in Islami lingo "M I Z A N" means 'BALANCE'. So if YE can-NOt practice inSAUDI or in any 54+ States as a KAFIR in of "OIC"s then there is NO MIZAN

see: DR. Harry W. Theriault's Magnificent & Glorious "HOLY MIZAN"!

To read some of it then go to
http://onwapo.com/ @ [R] for Religion & Click on the last Article (in Orange) entitled, "Is the U.S. Born Mahdi, Messiah, Maitreya, Salassi ....."

Note: There are several ISLAMic books called "Mizan"s; but because it is MADE IN AMERICA 1970's (not Imported; like Islami Systems) that the "Holy Mizan' is like No Other. It makes the Quran/Koran look Lame & Blind; even though it gives them The Benefit of the (Holyi) Doubt & More great Tidings, Truth (opposite Myth) etc.. Note: Have Fun Finding the Made-in-America, exclusively for Americans, the "HOLY-BALANCE[Mizan]" by 'H.W.T.(PH-d).

It has been close to a decade ago that religious terrorists flew planes into the twin towers and still there is a gaping hole at Ground Zero. Even though America is incapable or rebuilding anything on that spot, the Muslim community is planning on building a Mosque a few blocks away. Yet it wasn’t until Sarah Palin weighed in on this topic that the Washington Post’s “On Faith” section decided to discuss it.

First let me point out that this wasn’t Sarah Palin’s first tweet on this topic. Her first two tweets contained misused words and are a little embarrassing. However, Sarah Palin isn’t the issue here. She holds no elected office and no one really cares what she has to say because she is an idiot and everyone knows it (including her fans).

You can read the rest of my response to this topic:
http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-8928-Philadelphia-Atheism-Examiner~y2010m7d21-On-Faith-The-Ground-Zero-Mosque

I will be responding to every issue posted in the 'On Faith' section. If you would like to be notified when my new response is up, please subscribe.

The Muslim Mosque: A State within a State

http://kumarforcongress.net/2010/07/11/the-muslim-mosque-a-state-within-a-state.aspx

I would recommend Tom Flyn read this article on the Role of the Mosque by Vijay Kumar who does understand the issue and its impact on America and our rights, laws and Constitution:

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/07/atlas-exclusive-congressional-candidate-vijay-kumar-the-muslim-mosque-a-state-within-a-state.html

15,000+ deadly terrorist atrocities since 9/11 and today’s Leftists are still willing to swallow Islamo-supremacist propaganda and embrace Muslim greivance theory bilge.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

/*spit*

[Tom sneered: (Not that Christianity has clean hands in this regard, not when the Catholic-Protestant war in Northern Ireland, to cite just one example, remains in living memory.)]

Nice anti-Catholic bigotry (masquerading as balance). The 20th century’s bloodiest mass murderers— Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Honneker, Mussolini, Caeucescu, Mao, Pol Pot, Ho Chi, il Sung, Mugabe, Mengistu, Castro, Che, PFLP, PKK, FMLN, FARC, IRA, ETA, Red Army faction, Shining Path, etc., ad nauseum— were all inspired by secular Marxism. Not Christianity.

Or isn’t it important to use the same bloody measuring stick for Tom's secular ilk?

100 million corpses don’t lie. Own it, Tom.

What's with this "excellent neighbors" nonsense, Tom? Is that sarcasm or naivete'? Please provide some examples of why gloating Islamo-supremacists (dishonoring and insulting the 3,000 Americans mass-murdered by jihadist co-religionists) would make "excellent neighbors."

Pernicious nonsense!

Where do Muslims conjure this specious notion that McVeigh was Christian? In contemporaneous accounts, McVeigh was never described as killing out of any religious motives. Nor was there any evidence McVeigh considered himself a Christian.

At his execution, Jesus Christ made no appearance in McVeigh’s rhetoric. McVeigh’s last public act before he was executed was to distribute copies of the 1875 poem “Invictus.” It begins: “I thank whatever gods may be/ for my unconquerable soul,” and ends “I am the master of my fate: I am the captain of my soul” Those sentiments are blasphemous of Christianity.

Reporting on his execution, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution described McVeigh as “an avowed agnostic” whose sudden last-minute decision to see a Catholic priest just before his execution surprised everyone who knew him. Even Barbara Ehrenreich (writing in the Progressive) didn’t portray McVeigh as having religious motives. She identified McVeigh as a “neo-Nazi mass murderer.” Lest we forget, Nazis (national socialists) are atheistic Marxists who venomously reject Judeo-Christianity.

In contrast, the 9-11 murderers called themselves Muslims, often attended various mosques, functioned within the mainstream Muslim community and quoted from the Quran extensively so that it is only logical for the objective observer to call them Muslims.

Muslims need to direct their angst toward the jihadist doctrines of their Muslim co-conspirators, rather than slinging specious grievance theories and moral equivalence arguments at Americans.

American Muslims may be the very soul of moderation. But I don’t think it’s unreasonable for folks to ask for more from (allegedly) “peaceful” Muslims than disingenuous whitewashing of uncomfortable elements of Islamic sharia tradition, as practiced by members of the Cordoba House.

A genuine tiny minority of anti-jihadist Muslims may be found @
http://secularislam.org/blog/post/SI_Blog/21/The-St-Petersburg-Declaration

Americans remain breathless in anticipation of the vast majority of (allegedly) “peaceful” American Muslims supporting this genuinely tiny minority of their co-religionists... but don’t hold your breath.

It is wrong to say 9/11 happened because of Islam, just as it is wrong to say Christianity caused the Oklahoma bombing. The 9/11 attacks happened because of political grievances. Al-Qaeda has no religious legitimacy. They had to reject every scholarly clerical authority in the Muslim world to justify their terrorism. This writer is just bashing Islam and distracting us from the ugly political questions that lie at the heart of the war on terror. Perhaps we shouldn't bomb countries and support dictators.

The mosque should be built.

POSTED BY: MUSLIM1908 | JULY 21, 2010 12:26 AM
Strawman- McVeigh's actions were not a result of his religious belief, nor were they condoned in his religions texts. 9/11 was performed explicitly in the name of islam and with textual backing.
What's the ONLY GUARANTEED ROUTE into islamic heaven, bypassing judgement and also gaining such conduct for ones relatives?
Answer: dying in Jihad.

That tells you all you need to know about the importance of Jihad in islam.

Contrary to the remark of 'muslim1908' at 12:26am, no Moslem carrying out Jihad can be said to "reject every scholarly clerical authority in the Muslim world" because, as the canonical texts of Islam confirm (the Koran, the Hadiths and the Sira), Jihad is warfare to bring the world to 'islam' (submission) and its Sharia. The warlord founder of Islam, Mohammud, whose life and character the Koran commands its followers to emulate, stated that "I have been made victorious through terror" and the majority of his 'prophethood' was spent in conducting warfare against all people who refused to submit, enslaving, raping, killing or driving them into exile from their own lands (though usually, first, 'inviting' them to Islam (to convert); if they refused, then demanding that they pay Jizya (protection monies); and, only if they refused the first two, then to fight them. This was Mohammud's order to his followers to be pursued until the world under Islam was achieved, and therefore Islam is clearly a threat to the lives, freedoms and peace of all non-Moslems. Sharia, as law and the Islamic way of life, is predicated upon the Koran and Hadith's stated inequality between Moslem and non-Moslem, man and woman, and free persons and slaves: as such, it is antithetical to our freedoms, our values and our Constitution and its human rights abuses (death for apostates from Islam, death for adulterers, death for homosexuals, polygamy, pedophilia, female genital mutilation) are all mandated for in its Koran or Hadiths. As for mosques, they are historically centers in which war strategy was planned, weaponry stored, sharia law and sentences carried out, and the message of permanent warfare against non-Moslems 'preached'. They are also, as American and European experience proves, conduits for funding terrorism (through Zakat payments by the 'faithful' to the Jihadists who fight "For Allah's Cause", Koran 9:60), as are Islamic 'charities' and Sharia-compliant financial institutions/services which must donate a share of their profits to Zakat. When speaking among themselves, without the need for Taqiyya and Kitman to fool the dhimmies, as Prime Minister Erdogan of Turkey stated: "The domes are our helmets, the minarets our swords, the mosques our barracks and the Believers our soldiers."

It is wrong to say 9/11 happened because of Islam, just as it is wrong to say Christianity caused the Oklahoma bombing. The 9/11 attacks happened because of political grievances. Al-Qaeda has no religious legitimacy. They had to reject every scholarly clerical authority in the Muslim world to justify their terrorism. This writer is just bashing Islam and distracting us from the ugly political questions that lie at the heart of the war on terror. Perhaps we shouldn't bomb countries and support dictators.

The mosque should be built.

And where in the bible did it explicitly sanction and encourage the violence in NI as practiced by the catholics and protestants?

Religion was the WAY in which the sides distinguished themselves from each other, it was not the reason for the conflict, nor was it(conflict) justified using biblical passages and religious law.

It's ok to point out inherent violence and attitudes to violence contained in the koran, hadith and sharia without apologizing for pointing this out, or trying to say that all or indeed any other religion suffers from the same problems.

The problem when it is mentioned, should instead highlight the fact that it's MUCH more of a problem in islam than in any other religion due to islamic texts and the attitudes towards those texts.

Well said, Tom.

The only solution consistent with American values is to let them build their center; and the NYPD protects every citizen's right to conduct a protest on the sidewalk in front of it by tearing violent passages from a Quran.