Secular

You wrote, "The I explain to him that when you are willing to believe that any group can be thought of being extremely good as a whole as stereotype. Then it is also possible to believe that some other group as pure evil as a whole too. After some more explaining he agreed with me. That was a consciousness raising moment for him."

Was it a "consciousness raising moment" for you also?

Take care, be ready.

Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

Secular

You wrote, "This is still passed on as some guiding eternal moral guide is plain stupid or plain bigotry, nothing in between."

If one looks at the bible as a "moral guide", than one is missing the whole point of the bible.

Take care, be ready.

Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

timmy2

You wrote, "Actually it's not. If you have nothing else in common with ancient peoples besides ethnicity, and you refer to them as "my people" that is racist thinking."

How could it possibly be "racist" considering that the Jews are not a race but a people?

Would that make it "peopleist thinking" as opposed to "racist thinking"?

Take care, be ready.

Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

onofrio

You wrote, "I think there is no Name Above All Names angling with truths and picking peoples. The notion that the One has spoken is an ocean wrested outside-in for pockets, lockets, and jealous chests. How could a lone Word best the vast and shapely Song?"

When you meet "no Name Above All Names", aka God, I AM WHO AM, the Trinity, you can take it up with "no Name Above All Names" about why God decided to become One of us before God even created us and just how and why God did this in God's creation.

Take care, be ready.

Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

Oh I forgot to mention the "little" gentiles. The very worst kind of gentiles of all. Almost as bad as the male gentiles.

carry on.

Hey remember the Carry On movies? Those were pretty funny.

Carry on.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/25/AR2010122500111.html?hpid=moreheadlines

And the two little men are still obsessing about moi.

But, since they have nothing better to do we'll just let them--

Carry on.

These are the words of that monster Henry in his self serving apologia in the so called OP ED.

"An effective global strategy was in place with the opening to China, a broad dialogue with the Soviet Union, and major progress in Egypt and on emigration. It was to preserve that policy that the conversation in the Oval Office took place, and it is in that context that it must be viewed".

This sorry excuse for human being - pond scum in my opinion - to preserve his BOSS's reelection he had willingly sacrificed over 3 million people. To call this monster as brilliant is the same as to crowning Goebbels as a genius. All this was done in a matter of 267 days. The funny thing about the Persian Js from New York, is that they think they own all knowledge. And that they are the only arbiters of righteousness, morality and social awareness and justice.

Of course we also no that it is not limited to the above but also extends to opining about the authors such as, "Susan, I wish OnFaith panelists hadn't removed their email addresses since I would have preferred to say this privately.

Writing a decent weekly column of even mediocre quality is difficult. Twice weekly and mediocre is almost unheard of. Check out WaPo's main page to see what I mean." or "Reason requires knowledge and evidence, which, alas, this essay of yours does not have. This is not often the case on your blog, thankfully, but it happens." Alas, as Susan Jacoby being part gentile obviously she is incapable of Knowledge and so lacks reasoning, hence she is only capable of mediocre essay twice a week, according a certain Persian J. The last word has be spoken. So Timmy, it is for us gentiles to just shut-up learn. Got it?

"There is something peculiar about New York gentiles with Jewish friends and acquaintances. They somehow think they can intuit and or substitute sentiment for fact. When it comes to black people (gentiles), white gentiles don't think it's necessary to know any of them or anything of their history"

Oh those damn black gentiles and the white gentiles and the brown gentiles and the New York gentiles and the Chinese gentiles and the Hungarian gentiles and the Lithuanian gentiles. They know nothing of us J's. Stupid ignorant gentiles. They are not one of my people and know nothing of us. It just makes me so angry I want to explode.

Us J's know everything about every other culture in intimate detail but those damn gentiles are just so ignorant. I hate gentiles. My people will always have to deal with the presence of these damn ignorant gentiles. The world would be so much better without those damn gentiles.

But then without those damn gentiles, there would be nothing to make us J's seem so special. Woe is the life of a J in a world of gentiles.

Carry on.

Susan,

A couple of days after this blog appeared, I did some research on Kissinger, the Nixon administration and the Russian Jews, learning that you had been incorrect on several points. From the get-go, I knew you were wrong about K's age, but thought someone else would catch the error. He's eighty-eeven.

At all events, I'm a fan of neither Kissinger of NIxon and thought to let it all go in order to deal instead with the lack of reason so evident in this post. Reason requires knowledge and evidence, which, alas, this essay of yours does not have. This is not often the case on your blog, thankfully, but it happens.

At all events, now that Kissinger has sought fit to reply to another gentile in the know, I thought you might want to see what he has to say.

There is something peculiar about New York gentiles with Jewish friends and acquaintances. They somehow think they can intuit and or substitute sentiment for fact. When it comes to black people (gentiles), white gentiles don't think it's necessary to know any of them or anything of their history--"opining" suffices.

Ah, Bartleby.

Henry Kissinger--Op-ed

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/23/AR2010122304552.html

This was Jealously Deleted. So, i[WE] are is Re-Posting this:

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Something on the so-called "Jackson/Vanik Amendment."

President Richard Milhouse "TrickyDick" Nixon {pbuh et al} is/was one of the Greatest President's Ever!

Fact: Besides Being "MEAT/BLOOD (Expendables) for the Israli "IDF" Agenda/Campaign against ME 'Ishlami' Ummah THAT

IF it wasn't For RUSSIANS (JU's or Not) being able to come live in "Blighted" Areas/Neighborhoods of AMERICA, Then Many Neighborhoods would've gone Down the Drain, Literally. Real-Life Facts & Examples:

In a Way, THE RUSSIANS [as Immigrants HERE, not as Illegal 'Alien's] Saved BROOKLYN, N.Y., U.S.A.! And Saved SACRAMENTO, California, U.S.A. IF

It Wasn't for RUSSIANS there would of been No BRIGHTON BEACH (aka 'Little Oddessa', not "MEMOIRS") and or Coney Island (The Fun Place to Be in Summers) Brooklyn, NY et al! IF it Wasnt For Russians there would be No SACRAMENTO et
al CITY's/Towns saved by Them!
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TODAY: Most Modern SECULAR Schools (Any Grade Level) Want RUSSIAN [Students] instead of foolish spoiled AMERi(No)CAN! types. pleazzaaa, Do not Be Angry, O'
Jealousy!

Schools Want RUSSIANs, before they want the CHINESE!

Schools want RUSSIANs Before They Want INDIA's or Before any Member of the "OIC" Ummah etc..!
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WE[i] LOVE President R. M. NIXON [pbuh}. And America needs another one Like HIM!!

Forget NEPOTIST/PLUTOCRATS "BUSH"S! Forget
NEPOTIST/PLUTOCRATS "KENNEDY"S {pbu Them}....!

NIXON! NIXON! NIXON! NIXON!

O' AMERICAN PIGS! (not Only The European "PIIGS" (Portugal, Italy, Ireland, Greece & Spain)!
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VOTE: ABOLISH CHURCH-BASED TAX-EXEMPTION For All Pre-Apocalyptic Religions in sweet sweet U.S. of A.

Remember; HAWAii + ALASKA became the 49th & 50th State's only around 1940/50's. And
WHO Gave PERSIA (under SHA Palhgavi) the ATOM (togenerate Electricity)?? Not Russia!! Not Israel!! Not... Hence

Stupid Voters = Stupid CITIZENS! A JEALOUS-Press = Stupid Readers, ooopss, Public let alone CHURCH GO'rs!

O' APATHY! Ya Ya!

PS: Besides being a 1,000+ Year EMPIRE:

The RUSSIAN(s)FEDERATION Already Saved this World & "Sacrificed," WW2?

The RUSSIANs Made this Nation & England etal RICH (off the Cold-War) Remember? & RUSSIANs will Save AMERiKA further; Not the 'Bloody' now Super-Jealous Ex-Empire ENGLiSH!

The ENGLISH Monarchy Should Be Abolished Forever, Like Russia Did Her/Hiz!

VOTE: Abolish THEOCRACY & MONARCHY Off the Face Of This S.pace-S.hip Earth, aka S.S. GEOiD, S.S. GAIA, S.S. TELUS (Ancient Name of Many) Forever!

ELSE England might as well ask to be the "51st-STATE" of U.S.A. Not Israel, Not Sicily (Vatican Nations) etc.!

ENGLAND needs a EUROPE-Absorption to UNITE their 'Kingdom' (European Continent NOt U.S.A.) and by NOt Dividing Euro. Leave Russia Alone TROUBLEMAKERS!ELSE.
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THE-HANUXMAS-TREE (MADE IN AMERiCA by "JJ" For ALL Earthlings) Was also Jealously Deleted by? OYEvay!

"HAPPY EVEY-DAY" YOu!

"This blog is pathetic"

How very moderate of you.

A joke for On Faith. Merry Christmas.

I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said "Stop! Don't do it!" "Why shouldn't I?" he said. "Well, there's so much to live for!" "Like what?" "Well... are you religious?" He said yes. I said, "Me too! Are you Christian or Buddhist?" "Christian." "Me too! Are you Catholic or Protestant ? "Protestant." "Me too! Are you Episcopalian or Baptist?" "Baptist" "Wow! Me too! Are you Baptist Church of God or Baptist Church of the Lord?" "Baptist Church of God!" "Me too! Are you original Baptist Church of God, or are you reformed Baptist Church of God?" "Reformed Baptist Church of God!" "Me too! Are you Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1879, or Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1915?" He said, "Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1915!" I said, "Die, heretic scum", and pushed him off.

This blog is pathetic. Get past your fear, loathing, and hatreds. Grow up. Go for walks. Tend your gardens. Love your neighbors. Seek joy. Teach your children well. Have a Happy New Year. Or whatever midwinter celebration you enjoy. May peace be with you in the coming year.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/25/AR2010122500111.html?hpid=moreheadlines

What is the "American" identity then, beyond one's race and religion?
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ONe's SOCIO-ECONOMIC CLASS, one's gender. But if that is all there is we are well and truly lost.

Thank Whatever, it is not.

You are missing my irony of folks previously in position of political, economic and social privilege finding themselves as just another religious and/or ethnic group competing in the marketplace for access and opportunities with other groups
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You are missing my irony of folks previously NOT in a position of privilege behaving identically to those who formerly were. Except contra Woody Allen, the outerwear has changed (the underwear is the same).

Whose "mainstream"?

Carolers are gentiles, in the main. However, one doesn't "call them" gentiles, since there is no context.

I know it's hard to adapt to the American English, particularly for those who are clueless as to American ideals, but you just try.

So "Gentiles" is an American term now. It is associated with the American Ideals [ Splendid. PACFI I hope, sincerely hope you don't teach this kind of BS to your students.

And do also try to think of just one other person, aside from moi.

PACFI, when it comes to your knowing "how little I care about you", you are clueless.

Diversion is good for the soul.

WTF is a "SOUL". Its funny, you claim to be an atheist and you still subscribe to these superstitions?

Along the same lines, see if your local library stocks a book you might read, so as to change off for a few hours from Mein Kamf, or How to Maximize Profits from Dalits Trafficking.

Try.

Posted by: FarnazMansouri2

PACFI, the above only betrays how much you obsess about me. Your SO may get a bit ticked off with you. What with Onofrio coming to your defense as a Knight in shining armor and all and you obsessing about Dalits. Oh! My, my thats too much for anyone.

Spoken from a position of privilege. Tell that to America's African Americans and Native Americans who have the highest unemployment rates in the nation, who have not chosen to "ghettoize" themselves, but have been so placed.

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You are missing my irony of folks previously in position of political, economic and social privilege finding themselves as just another religious and/or ethnic group competing in the marketplace for access and opportunities with other groups.

And with fears that they will no longer be the majoritarian group in the next 50 years due to lower birth rates and immigration from non-European countries

Who ghettorised, by law and social attitudes before, the religious and ethnic minorities in the States in not affording them equal opportunities for homes, jobs, etc? Even now, in spite of laws against such nowadays by other subtle and crude ways?

It would seem that the Glenn Beck fan club members are ghettorising themselves as "true" or "real" Americans in spite of the multicultural "mainstreaming" of America due to immigration from non-European countries.

Cheers for the holidays.

Obama is not the issue. Identity is the issue. The analogy was to Kissinger and identity nonpolitics.

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What is the "American" identity then, beyond one's race and religion?

No American president is going to satisfy anyone domestically and internationally.
In fact, no leader, elected and otherwise ever did.

As for Obama being Christian enough or Balck enough, obviously you do know that he is not Christian enough for some fundamentalist or evangelical or conservative Christians; and too Christian for non-Christians; and not "black" enough for some African-Americans and too "black" for some non-African-Americans.

As for Glenn Beck, since I saw him with his board gesticulating and being emotive, I do wish Aretha Franklin would go on his show, sing out "RESPECT" and blow him away on his own show with her class and dignity and overcoming whatever trials and tribulations she has had as a woman and an African-American.

Merry Christmas to all (including Secular) and to all a good night.

If one choose to live in the niched world of one's own religious-ethnic cultural and historical narratives and experiences, one is ghettorising oneself to the sidestreams, the ponds of one's own against the mainstream, ocean, tides and currents within and beyond one's mental, and geographical borders.
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Spoken from a position of privilege. Tell that to America's African Americans and Native Americans who have the highest unemployment rates in the nation, who have not chosen to "ghettoize" themselves, but have been so placed.

When asked if he had any thoughts about African Americans during this period, he replied that their plight would improve as the economy did.

Spoken like a true multiculturalist, right there in the "mainstream," but whose mainstream?

Obama is not the issue. Identity is the issue. The analogy was to Kissinger and identity nonpolitics.

As for Obama, his record is far from spotless. He messed up big time on health care as was predicted by Krugman during the presidential campaign. His resistance to same-sex marriage is a nightmare to all who believe in equal protection. His "conciliatory stance" toward Thug Sudan was a disgrace. His lynching of Sherod was nauseating. I understand it. Just as I understand Kissinger, but then he did not do with anyone what Obama did with her.

The irony of all that is that it was Glenn Beck who came riding in on Fox News to the rescue.

Is he Christian enough? Black enough? (Perhaps, Susan will let us know.)

Change I wish I did not have to believe in.

Ehhh...here we have an Indian atheist, a Canadian atheist and an Iranian atheist having a transnational or trans-ethnic row.

Moi foi! Atheism is not the solution! I'm putting that on a billboard. :)

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"Perhaps, next, we should examine whether Obama is Christian and black enough."

- Farnaz Mansouri2

Obama is the consequence, the face and mind of the neo-American, the American of this century and realities reflecting America's global reach and apparent domestic multiculturalism.

If one choose to live in the niched world of one's own religious-ethnic cultural and historical narratives and experiences, one is ghettorising oneself to the sidestreams, the ponds of one's own against the mainstream, ocean, tides and currents within and beyond one's mental, and geographical borders.

Obama seems at least two steps ahead of most on "change" and realise the limitations when some would not follow, dig in the bunkers, and fight for their political-economic-social entitlements and birthrights perceived to be taken or whittled away.

Happy holidays.

Carolers are gentiles, in the main. However, one doesn't "call them" gentiles, since there is no context.

I know it's hard to adapt to the American English, particularly for those who are clueless as to American ideals, but you just try.

And do also try to think of just one other person, aside from moi. Diversion is good for the soul. Along the same lines, see if your local library stocks a book you might read, so as to change off for a few hours from Mein Kamf, or How to Maximize Profits from Dalits Trafficking.

Try.

Spoken just like Timmy2's dog poop, which the timmer names Secular.

Now, Susan, a new essay, please, before this Hindu atheist nazi dog poop is joined by his maker.

Posted by: FarnazMansouri2

Merry X'mas PACFI, please, please don't give the Carrollers a hard time were they to start singing at your door. Be gracious, and don't call them gentiles. They may be offended. I know it is hard for you but just try.

Susan,

Never mind. Let them post on. They are ever obsessing about me. Let them diddle one another as they will.

Carry on.

Spoken just like Timmy2's dog poop, which the timmer names Secular.

Now, Susan, a new essay, please, before this Hindu atheist nazi dog poop is joined by his maker.

Yes, this is the kind of consciousness raising that I try to do on this subject. It seems pretty clear, and I know that Onofrio understands but he can not bring himself to disagree with Farnaz on anything or let anyone else criticize her racist rasntings without assailing them. That is why I tease him about being her girlfriend. It's the kind of thing a boyfriend does for a girlfriend. Defend her honor regardless of her antics.

Posted by: timmy2

I agree Timmy2, the Professor of Al Chemistry & Fertile Imagination (PACFI)'s MO is to play the victim card and simultaneously the Arch Angel and the Saviour of the down trodden and the oppressed of the world, actually the entire Universe. This she plays on any thread whether it is relevant or not. As to Onforio, he is taken in by her purported knowledge in the worthless bronze age tomes. She of course believes that in her previous life or something she was the sky daddy's scribe so she is privy to that mythical IT's mind that you and i are woefully never would know. For instance according to her fertile imagination avram taking his 37 year old or 47 year old ward Isaac to sacrifice was really the skydaddy making a statement that human sacrifice is unnecessary to please it. Imagine that. You and I cannot because we are not endowed with fertile imagination.

Onofrio,

I'm not dealing with Secular's dog, Timmy2. Boring.

Q

Onofrio,

I don't know if you're following this recent St. Joseph's battle against the RCC. ARe you familiar with the ACLU?

Finally, they are raising questions about Catholic hospitals and their refusal to perform abortions.

I don't know how things work in Australia, but for the life of me, I do not know how we fund hospitals that decide which legal procedures they will and will not perform, giving them a pass with "conscience clauses."

It seems to me that this is patently in violation of the Establishment Clause, and I am not alone. Some American Catholics have recently started to propose an American Catholic Church.

For the sake of American Catholics and the rest of us, I hope this idea takes root and that it is progressive.

Lord knows, we can't depend on our government to uphold the Constitution.

This case has raised a stir here. The barbaric Bishop's excommunication of the good Sister, etc.

The fact that the hospital may no longer consider itself Catholic is a good thing, progressive Catholics are saying.

Interesting. Whether the Wussy ACLU will get it together ever on this remains to be seen.

Gotta run. Hope you read and reply to this. Would like to know how religion figures in Australian institutions, publicly funded.

Regards,
Co-Racist Q

On ends and means....

Politicians are about ends we don't always understand and use whatever means are available to them.

On that topic, there are more authentic issues, such as the caving of the Congress to Christian religionists, and that is transparent.

And our president's stance on gay marriage rights?

Farnaz writes,

"They are the victims of the First Nations, of the Jews, of women, browns, blacks, etc., and they have nothing to do"

Ha. I have never calimed victimhood from any group on any these threads. Playing victim is your trip, Farnaz.

Onofrio writes

"I guess I'm a racist then"

Really? What makes you one of those? I mean you might be, but I have not seen any racist comments by you on these threads. But Farnaz spews them out on a regular basis.

Secular writes:

"I jokingly told him that was a really racist. He was shocked and peeved. The I explain to him that when you are willing to believe that any group can be thought of being extremely good as a whole as stereotype. Then it is also possible to believe that some other group as pure evil as a whole too. After some more explaining he agreed with me. That was a consciousness raising moment for him"

Yes, this is the kind of consciousness raising that I try to do on this subject. It seems pretty clear, and I know that Onofrio understands but he can not bring himself to disagree with Farnaz on anything or let anyone else criticize her racist rasntings without assailing them. That is why I tease him about being her girlfriend. It's the kind of thing a boyfriend does for a girlfriend. Defend her honor regardless of her antics.

Woodward and Bernstein served their purpose and for that Americans aregrateful to them.

They are not the be all and end all of the Nixon era, it should be needless to say.

Nixon's brilliance was the stuff of legend during is administration. He was a concepttualizer on a grand scale. On some level, it was that way of thinking that they shared, but I suspect Nixon was the more abstract of the two.

Detente may have helped us not to nuke each other, I don't know.

I don't care that either of them prayed nor do I care to whom.
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Perhaps, next, we should examine whether Obama is Christian and black enough. Susan need not wait for the Times on this.

Plenty of black Christians don't think so. On this we can look at the lynching of Sherod for example, but other issues have been identified, as Susan surely knows.

On his fellow black people, in distress, Susan might question his decision months ago in the face of thug Janjaweed slaughter to adapt a "conciliatory stance" toward Thug Sudan.

And, how does his opposition to gay marriage figure in his black Christianity?
Or, is he a Muslim? A Hindu? Is he really black?

And, of course, it would be good to learn whether Obama prays in the dark, standing up or on his knees, and, if he prays, with and to whom.

Enquiring minds....

Of course Kissinger is a titbit, juicy bits sharer. Or else, Woodward and Bernstein would not know Nixon and Kissinger got down on their knees and prayed together in the dark, dismal final days of Nixon. The "high level source" of the State Department quoted by members of the media in the loop can be, was, Kissinger too.

Nixon certainly implemented desegration, regardless of what was said of him, and Nixon "going to China" was to counter, contain Soviet Union sphere of influence in Asia.

Yes, I agree, Nixon and Kissinger were, are, complex thinkers living in complex times. I do think Ms. Jacoby's thrust was that, in pursuit of certain objectives, the ends justifying the means and such cliches, giving up specific moral, ethical and humanitarian values on what is right, may not be just worth it.

In "realpolitik", the rationale of killing, say 500, or to let 500 die to save, say, 500,000 is an "affordable" cost for the bigger price and prize of specific ends is thought to be rational.

Nixon and Kissinger could not go to China if the Chinese would not "open" up and consider their own national interest to do so. Jewish emigration from the Soviet Union would not happen if the Soviets did not allow so for their own vested reasons.

In the meantime, the aftermath seems messy and unclear in the Middle East, in Asia, in the world for some. The obvious fact is, the totalitarianism, non-transparency and information control is harder and harder for states, state officials, NGOs and NGIs (non-governmental individuals).

Kissinger is a consummate self-promoter and survivor - "letting on" to the media during his term as secretary of state, on dubious policies and implementation, that it was Nixon's, and not him.
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Kissinger never did this. Nixon, like Kissinger, was brilliant. I am not a fan of either of them, but I have read enough of and by them, as well as the works of their critics and supporters, to know whereof I speak.

He is very clear on what he supported, initiated, etc., and what others did. He always was.
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His Jewishness, adequate or inadequate, is a waste of breath, I agree, and, for several reasons. There were many who felt at the time that Nixon had more interest in Israel's thrice weekly suffering from terrorist attacks than did Kissinger. Indeed, when Exxon refused to refuel a ship headed for the Israel, on the grounds that it was Internationally Incorporated, took orders from no one, it was Nixon, not Kissinger who spoke out loud and clear.

Detente, such as it was, and the opening of the doors to China was the work of several people, including Nixon and Kissinger.

Nixon, on the home front, Nixon, the "strict constructionist" (who, unlike today's republicans, had read the Constitution), implemented WAGE-PRICE CONTROLS, strongly supported the federalization of Welfare and more funding for Job Core.

These were complex thinkers living in complex times. To try to boil them down to this or that, to settle on this or that gossipy gunk to identify them, drek rehashed from the Times and elsewhere, is simply pointless, recommended for the Enquirer, whose reading "minds," perhaps, want to know, but, more likely, could not care less.

As for the Russian Jews, Israel did not care where they went, so long as they got out of the RussoChristian hell.

JDL did not care either. Had basically the same sentiments.
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The more interesting question is whether Nixon was Quaker enough, although I don't know whom it would interest.

Boring.

- Kissinger is an amoral man?

- Kissinger and his "realpolitik" in the pursuit of America's interest in its foreign policy and implementation - the time of Cold War, Iron Curtain with battles and wars against designated unfriendly totalitarian and/or communistic/socialistic regimes.

- Kissinger was also acting as America's foreign secretary, not Israel's foreign minister. Asking if he was Jewish and/or humanitarian enough in his actions or otherwise with regard to Soviet emigration of Russian Jews is too simple and especially for Kissinger, what with his own background.

- Some history books stated the Russians were concerned with the brain drain and/or dissent from outside the Soviet Union if that happens. There was significant emigration allowed subsequently of Russian Jews by the Soviets. Those who chose to go to the States, Australia etc and not Israel dismayed the Israelis.

- Kissinger is the same fellow who got down on his knees with Nixon, the Quaker, to pray, at the behest of Nixon, if that old book, "The Final Days" by Woodward and Bernstein is to be believed.

- Kissinger is a consummate self-promoter and survivor - "letting on" to the media during his term as secretary of state, on dubious policies and implementation, that it was Nixon's, and not him.

- I would love to listen to bugged tapes, if any, of Kissinger's conversations with members of the media, foreign officials etc.

- John Kennedy has had to assure Americans that his Catholicism will not be a determinant in his domestic and foreign policy. John Cho does not have had to assure Americans his ethnicity will be colouring his thinking and decisions as Energy Secretary.

- Why the burden on anyone Jewish to prove his ethnic and/or, either/or religiousness and loyalty and primacy of Jewish/Israel's interests as American public officials, specifically those managing America's foreign relations and interests?

- I am less concerned by what a man says in private to his family, friends or collegues than what he actually does in public affecting the public. And what Nixon/Kissinger did, resonated till today in the Middle East, the former Eastern bloc, Latin America and Asia, including and especially Vietnam and Timor-Leste.

- And why pick on Nixon/Kissinger when the Reagan era's foreign policy was messy, dubious and spurious too, with consequences, both positive and negative, still felt today too globally?

Onofrio,

I don't know if you're following this recent St. Joseph's battle against the RCC. ARe you familiar with the ACLU?

Finally, they are raising questions about Catholic hospitals and they're refusal to perform abortions.

I don't know how things work in Australia, but for the life of me, I do not know how we fund hospitals that decide which legal procedures they will and will not perform, granting "conscience" exemptions.

It seems to me that this is patently in violation of the Establishment Clause, and I am not alone. Some American Catholics have recently started to propose an American Catholic Church.

For the sake of American Catholics and the rest of us, I hope this idea takes root and that it is progressive.

Lord knows, we can't depend on our government to uphold the Constitution.

Onofrio writes,

"I guess I'm a racist, then."

Timmy wrote,

I didn't single out the Jew. I singled out the one who used a racist term. But I can see why you'd want to make it look like I singled out the Jew. You have never shied away from stooping to cheap demagoguery to defend the honor of your racist girlfriend.
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Timmy didn't single out "the Jew." I am Onofrio's "racist girlfriend."

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Onfrio, the Timmy2's of this world must have something to do, don't you agree? They are the victims of the First Nations, of the Jews, of women, browns, blacks, etc., and they have nothing to do.

So why not just let them--

Carry on.

I guess I'm a racist, then.

Yes I know. The meaning is "not one of our people" by race or by blood or by religion etc. That is racist no matter how you slice it. You see my dear Onofrio, in my advanced thinking, the following statements are both racist.

"Chinese people can't drive"
"Chinese people drive very well".

Timmy2, I agree with you wholeheartedly. I have been the brunt of her vicious bigoted attacks. All because I had characterize that mythical character of Avram as pond scum owing to his purported behavior with respect to his wife being pimped twice, discarding Hagar & her son like they were scraps of toilet paper and for his willingness to butcher his son because som evoices asked him to. Since then I have been called every wicked thing under the sun and more. She even takes offense to my referring to her so called scripture as OT instead of Takanakh or something that she calls it. She claims an exclusive rights to that tome. Not only that but also claims her interpretation as the only proper one. She not only does not counter the arguments put forth, but takes off first accusing other posters as ignorants and then she of course calling you, her ATF insult "Nazi". She has the temerity to accuse others being racists and bigots, Nazi, when those adjectives are more apt when referring to her, except perhaps "Nazi". The most flabbergasting of all is her rationalizing that blaggard and pond scum kissinger's lack of morals and guts, with descriptions such as "brilliant" but flawed. In my view she is nothing but a pompous bigot, with deep knowledge worthless bronze age tomes.

Speaking of, "Chinese people can't drive"
"Chinese people drive very well". I had a similar experience with an old colleague of mine some years ago. Who was a very liberal, and thought he did not have single bigoted bone in him. And one day he made a similar remark. It was a highly, what he thought was a, complimentary comment about indians. I jokingly told him that was a really racist. He was shocked and peeved. The I explain to him that when you are willing to believe that any group can be thought of being extremely good as a whole as stereotype. Then it is also possible to believe that some other group as pure evil as a whole too. After some more explaining he agreed with me. That was a consciousness raising moment for him.

"Stated differently, white people are hilarious, regardless of their "hue." Primitive, but hilarious"

See what I mean? In all my time on these threads I've not seen a bigger racist than the one who constantly cries persecuted jew.

Carry on.

Oh no Frio

"You missed my point. The terms I listed are not necessarily used in a "racist" manner, though they can become racially pejorative in certain contexts"

I guess you missed my point. Farnaz is a racist.

"Barbaroi, Pakeha, Auslander, et alii are originally descriptive of difference"

Yes I know. The meaning is "not one of our people" by race or by blood or by religion etc. That is racist no matter how you slice it. You see my dear Onofrio, in my advanced thinking, the following statements are both racist.

"Chinese people can't drive"
"Chinese people drive very well".

It doesn't matter if it is a negative or positive comment. If it is divisive by race then it is racist. You might not see it like that but I do. We're all looking for the path to "never again". I believe that path is to no longer divide ourselves into separate races by saying things like "my people" when referring to people you have absolutely nothing in common with except race or ethnicity. Farnaz says that the tanakh was stolen from "her people". That is simple minded racism. Farnaz has nothing more in common with the people who wrote the tanakh than you or I. Unless of course you are being a racist.

"It's complicated"

Actually it's not. If you have nothing else in common with ancient peoples besides ethnicity, and you refer to them as "my people" that is racist thinking. The path to "never again" is the very opposite of this kind of thinking. You're smart enough to understand that aren't you?

"Farnaz needs no Onofrio to "defend" her honour"

And yet here you are, assailing anyone who ever criticizes her racist comments.

Thebump

I don't think Susan has a stony heart; she has a kind heart.

Maybe the stoniness you are seeing is in you own eyes.

As the blessed day approaches, let us wish the authoress all the joy of our dear Savior's coming. May that joy melt her stony heart.

Posted by: thebump

Oh, do tell us of and pray about "stony hearts" How rich from a theocon who would deny gay and Muslim citizens their Constitutional rights, regards health care and education for children as "socialism" and who would expand the Christian Oil Crusades by a pre-emptive attack on Iran to appease Israel and prop up entitlement programs for the benefit of Halliburton and Lockheed Martin.

As the blessed day approaches, let us wish the authoress all the joy of our dear Savior's coming. May that joy melt her stony heart.
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Is this one of those "the best thing on earth would be a nuclear war in the Middle East to bring about Armageddon" cult views?

As the blessed day approaches, let us wish the authoress all the joy of our dear Savior's coming. May that joy melt her stony heart.

Susan, I wish OnFaith panelists hadn't removed their email addresses since I would have preferred to say this privately.

Writing a decent weekly column of even mediocre quality is difficult. Twice weekly and mediocre is almost unheard of. Check out WaPo's main page to see what I mean.

Even your die hards have died (and not hard). I, myself, am giving way. Tom Flynn garnered 75 comments in short order.
In the past, you had nearly two thousand in two or three days.

Suggestion: Post on the weekly questions, such as they are. You were ever the only panelist able to draw bloggers in sizable numbers in your intelligent responses to these asinine inquiries. Then, you can write an occasional column when inspired.

With all due respect, you know nothing of what it is like to be a Jew among bigots. I'm no Kissinger fan, but I do understand what he must have gone through in his life. Both he and Nixon were brilliant men, tragically flawed, unlike Bush who is a moron, and Carter, ditto.

The Forward was an almost unimaginable thing in the heyday of Jewish Labor. However, it has become a universal embarrassment among the Jewish literate, excepting upper west and east sides, but even there.... This is the Forward that said Js should be thankful to the Vatican for deigning to expose some of its Nazi doings and should not demand that they rush. Just a few years ago, this idiotic, hugely oss kissing piece of you know what made this claim. I got hold of it, but, alas, dottir was ill, and I could not put fingers to mouse quickly enough. Nine (9) Js and Cs beat me to it.

Write of that which you know, the man said and in ways that you can do well....

Regards,
Farnaz

So said the bigoted J PACFI and the scholar of all knowledge that is worthless, such as taknakh. Or is it OT?

Thus spaketh the Nazi Hindu Atheist, foreign policy expert, Bible Scholar, and former Indian political hack.

Seems the three hundred million Dalit were chosen to be trafficked, enslaved, raped, murdered, starved, etc.

Until now, that is. . . .

Carry on.

Posted by: FarnazMansouri2

Is it me or does anyone else know of any connection between kissinger and Dalits, besides Professor-of-know-everything-of-no-value? Of course I wouldn't be surprised if kissinger had thought it was a justifiable & necessary evil, the plight of Harijans in India.

Very important for secularists:

ACLU on Catholic hospitals and abortion

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/22/AR2010122206219.html?hpid=moreheadlines

http://onfaith.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/undergod/2010/12/st_josephs_hospital_no_longer_catholic_after_abortion_to_save_mothers_life.html?sid=ST2010122206225

Seems the three hundred million Dalit were chosen to be trafficked, enslaved, raped, murdered, starved, etc.

Until now, that is. . . .

Carry on.

It is the Dalit who are the chosen people. What were they chosen for? And by whom?

Questions that at long last are being addressed.

And so it is with Canada's First Nations.

Posted by: FarnazMansouri2

Harijans are no more chosen for anything than Js were chosen people of the mythical sky daddy. It is the powerful elite had assigned the Harijans to menial professions and suppressed. This is no different than the Js of bronze age in a similar manner abrogated to themselves as the chosen people to run roughshod on the so called gentiles. The harijans were no more destined to their plight than the Js wer chosen by the mythical skydaddy.

And Timmy,

Farnaz needs no Onofrio to "defend" her honour.

She knows all about pharaonic reeds. They're to be parted, not leaned on; best left rustling in their own wind.

They have betimes been known to breathe a shivering song...

I didn't single out the Jew. I singled out the one who used a racist term. But I can see why you'd want to make it look like I singled out the Jew. You have never shied away from stooping to cheap demagoguery to defend the honor of your racist girlfriend.
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He didn't single out "the Jew." And I am Onofrio's "racist girlfriend."

What more need be said.

Carry on.

Stated differently, white people are hilarious, regardless of their "hue." Primitive, but hilarious.

Carry on.

Gentiles has served my rhetorical purposes well. I use it whenever nonsense such as this comes up.

Jews may be the Christians' other, the other of those to whom the Christians have spread the NonWord.

Other does as Other is done unto.

And here we see that the gentiles must be given something to do. Their own selves must be very boring.

Ah, well, since us Js give them something to do, let them carry on.

Thomas Baum,

I think there is no Name Above All Names angling with truths and picking peoples. The notion that the One has spoken is an ocean wrested outside-in for pockets, lockets, and jealous chests. How could a lone Word best the vast and shapely Song?

It is the Dalit who are the chosen people. What were they chosen for? And by whom?

Questions that at long last are being addressed.

And so it is with Canada's First Nations.

Timmy2,

You missed my point. The terms I listed are not necessarily used in a "racist" manner, though they can become racially pejorative in certain contexts.

Barbaroi, Pakeha, Auslander, et alii are originally descriptive of difference - expressions of the fact that there is an identifiable "us" in a sea of "others". They are not inevitably ablaze with hostile prejudice or antipathy. Nor do they imply the absence of tension and hostility within the "us". For example, ancient Greeks were not always on bad terms with barbaroi, yet were often at war with fellow ancient Greeks! Maori could be involved in ferocious battles with each other as well as with the pakeha; or they could be in alliance with pakeha against other Maori. It's complicated.

And so it is with the term "gentiles".

Thomas Paul Moses Baum, says "It was God Who chose and formed the Chosen People and it was among the Chosen People that God became One of us and than there are the rest of us, the gentiles, of course, you seem to have already known this but in case you didn't, it was in God choosing and forming the Jews that made it so."

Below is the response

To me this is absolutely hilarious and at the same very wicked. Just this claim that the so called Js are the chosen people claim made in their so called sacred text proves to me that the text is a self serving text written by the protagonists. This bogus claim may have only started as a tribal ploy to unite and promote tribal cohesion. This probably very effective given the level of ignorance that pervaded in bronze age. To continue to espouse that claim with any seriousness just smacks of bigotry on part of the claimant. To me such a claim, if i were to concede would evoke the following reaction "Why the hell do I care" about this deity. If this jerk is telling me I am nothing and that others are its favourite, the I have no use for this jerrk. Its like your boss tells all his subordinates, "These five are my favorite ATFs. Rest of you I don't give rats ass". No i wonder what the remaining non-ATFs think of their boss.

This is still passed on as some guiding eternal moral guide is plain stupid or plain bigotry, nothing in between.

Testing

Oh no frio,

So all non Christians are pagans? Huh? Pagan is another religion not a non Christian. Gentile is not another religion. You are too smart not to notice the difference here. Most of your examples are similarly bad analogies for the same reason. But you are correct, Jews are not the only people with racist words like "gentile." All of them are wrong and should be called out every time they are used.

Thee

"Given such a wealth of constructions for "the Other" across many cultures, why have you singled out Jews for censure, Timmy?"

But isn't it obvious why my dear Onofrio? Because no one used any of those other racist words on this thread now did they? I didn't single out the Jew. I singled out the one who used a racist term. But I can see why you'd want to make it look like I singled out the Jew. You have never shied away from stooping to cheap demagoguery to defend the honor of your racist girlfriend.

Onofrio you should know by now that I criticize and call out anyone who uses terms like "my people" when referring to bloodline or ethnicity. It's racist. That's all I was doing. Raising awareness that the term "gentile" is as racist a term as they come. And the irony of someone whining about out being a persecuted Jew whilst simultaneously using a racist term.

Timmy2,

Thee:
"Does anyone know the world for the non German? Oh right, there isn't one."

There is: Ausländer.

...and Afrikaaners have their Uitlander for non-Afrikaaners, the Maori have their Pakeha for non-Maori New Zealanders, Japanese have their Gaijin for non-Japanese, Cantonese have their Gwailo for non-Cantonese, Egyptians have their Khawaga for non-Egyptians, Latin Americans have their Gringo for non-Latinos, ancient Greeks had their barbaroi for non-Greeks, ancient Egyptians had their khastyu for non-Nile-dwellers...

Thee:
"How about the non white"

Typing out some of these may cause my post to be blocked. In British colonial contexts the natives was usually sufficient to establish non-whiteness, but could easily switch to wogs, dagos or bloody savages under a little stress.

Thee:
"or non Christian?"

Ever heard of pagan, heathen, infidel and unbeliever? And Muslims have their Kafir.

Given such a wealth of constructions for "the Other" across many cultures, why have you singled out Jews for censure, Timmy?

timmy2

You wrote, "What is a gentile? Oh that's right, it is the term Js have for the non Israelite or non jew. Those who are not of "my people." There are "us Js" and then there are the non Js. Is that how Js divide humans? Into Js and non Js."

It was God Who chose and formed the Chosen People and it was among the Chosen People that God became One of us and than there are the rest of us, the gentiles, of course, you seem to have already known this but in case you didn't, it was in God choosing and forming the Jews that made it so.

Take care, be ready.

Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

"Wonder why the gentiles are always so obsessed with us Js"

The gentiles? Us Js?

What is a gentile? Oh that's right, it is the term Js have for the non Israelite or non jew. Those who are not of "my people." There are "us Js" and then there are the non Js. Is that how Js divide humans? Into Js and non Js.

Does anyone know the world for the non German? Oh right, there isn't one. How about the non white or non Christian?

What do Christians have on common with Muslims and Buddhists and Hindus and Hare Krishnas, and Satanists, and atheists and almost everyone else in the world? They are all gentiles. Goys. Non Js.

It seems that no one is more obsessed with Js than Js.

What the Soviet Jews suffered during the Nixon era was insignificant to what many minorities suffered during the Roosevelt era but anyone in a disgraced Republican administration is a much more inviting target.

I had always thought Kissinger was a criminal, not just any criminal but teh lowest of the low. He has never taken responsibility for the results that had destroyed peoples by the million and the nation states. The problem with this diabolical monster is that no revelations of him will ever improve his stature and the pathetic thing that angers me is that there are no revelations, that I can think of, would further lower his stature. It is attributed to Einstein to have said about MK Gandhi "Generations to come will scarce believe that such a 'one' as this ever in flesh and blood walked upon this earth." I would say the same of Kissinger, without a word changed. But everyone would know the "one" in the sentence would be a stand in for "Monster".

These statements by Foxman and Harris are utterly disgusting. Note the implication that Kissinger (excuse me, Dr. Kissinger) did not share Nixon's views but was too intimidated to challenge his boss.
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YOu are excused. Read his diss and get back to us.

It was controversial whether Jewish emigration (from the USSR) should be given a special emphasis, when there were millions of Ukraines, Latvians and ethnic white Russians who would have wanted to emigrate, too
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Is that why they continued their Jew-hating and MUslim-hating ways? I mean the ones that led them to personally slaughter Jews during the HItler era and beyond?

Did their passports carry their religions as those of Jews did, right on up through the eighties?

Ah, those Jews. Always getting genocided so that they can get a good deal.

I like how Susan pairs Israel with Saudi Arabia. You and Susan have more in common than you know, Mark.

Oh, and Susan? What do the Saudi Jews say of SA's twin nation?

Wonder why the gentiles are always so obsessed with us Js. But, if it gives those folks something to do, by all means carry on.

And in the next couple of days, in this little box, a Persian maid will tell the story of JDL and the Russian Christians.

Stay tuned....

Far be it for me to dispute Susan's version of the events (I sure as hell wasn't a Washington Post Moscow correspondent in 1971), but from what I do recollect of the time I was a wee tyke:

It was controversial whether Jewish emigration (from the USSR) should be given a special emphasis, when there were millions of Ukraines, Latvians and ethnic white Russians who would have wanted to emigrate, too. Jews were not being progromed like they had under the Nazis, they were just living under the same tyranny everyone else was; so it was justifiable to think the particularization of Jewish emigration was a product of their having more prominent international advocacy than other Soviet citizens did.

Also at the time, someone like Nixon who personally disliked Jews but still employed them in prominent positions (Kissinger, Herb Stein, Greenspan) would have been respected for overcoming his prejudices, not condemned for holding them privately. The modern doctrine that racism is holding people back, despite lack of outward manifestations other than result disparities, hadn't become common yet.

Just like many wines improve with age, so many people do, but only if the grapes were good at the start. on July 7th of this year, when Ringo Starr turned 70 and was asked what did he learned, his reply - the more kind I am to people the better I feel- shows that wisdom does come with age. And this is just one of the many my real life observations. Maybe we have more time to read, to observe and listen.

what kissinger said on jewish immigration from Russia was only to please Nixon-just playing the game-because jews are always loyal to their own-regardless.