Obama Is Not the Antichrist

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Calling Barack Hussein Obama the Antichrist is, at present, just extreme rhetoric on the part of those who don't like him. And the film in question does an abysmally poor job of proving evidence that he is THE antichrist. The criteria Obama satisfies is also satisfied by at least a dozen people just in New Hampshire; there's probably well over a hundred thousand world-wide.

Doesn't mean he couldn't be though. Heck, even I could be; although I'm not interested enough in the position, having a dislike of upper-level management which will keep me an advisor for the rest of my life.

Associating Bush with Hitler does nothign to trivialize the Holocaust. Arguements that it does indicate that the person posing the argument really doesn't have an understanding of the conditions in Germany that led to Hitler's rise and the eventual Holocaust itself.

Lately I've been bothered by the stories given credence by the mainstream media. When I saw the headline pop up on my desk top I thought that we've really lost it.

Apparently people aren't aware that emails circulated during President Bush's terms in office saying that he was, in fact, the anti-Christ. I saw them and anything like this as just absurdity generated by someone who needs a really hobby.

The ridiculous claims regarding George W. Bush were widely circulated, but not referenced - to my knowledge or with any regularity - in the media. Why are these absurdities regarding President Obama legitimized by being written on in respectable publications like the Post?

As for the coming of an anti-Christ, I will admit that I'm a non-believer, but I always think about the assertion that we get what we expect. So, my wish is that people wouldn't be so eager to fulfill prophecies. Instead, I wish people would think on peace and brother/sister hood.

To paraphrase what that guy on TV says, "If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people."

I remember back in 1992 when Jerry Fallwell announced that he would be watching Bill Clinton to see if he exhibited any "Anti-Christ tendencies." (Cuz, you know, if you have those tendencies and start giving into them, you might just wake up one day as the Anti-Christ. A tragic affliction, really.)

The xtian nutbags that make up 10-15% of our population are going to do whatever they do and say whatever they say and none of it is going to make any sense. That's a given. Whether it "dishonors the bible" or not is totally irrelevant.

The important question is, what are the rest of us going to do about this seething multitude of completely insane people? As long as they don't actively attack people or start up with militia/McVeigh-type activities we can leave them alone. But if they cross that line again, we need to recognize them as terrorists and deal with them accordingly.

The far-right-wing xtian Dominionist agenda is nothing less than the overthrow of the Constitutional government and the installation of a christofascist dictatorship by any means possible. The government and the people of America can't ever let them win.

This is hilarious. It's amazing how stupid people can be.

Also, reporting stories about human stupidity does not legitimize that stupidity, any more than reporting stories about murder legitimize murder.

My local used bookstore has a pretty good religion section, but in the place where they stock the cheap paperbacks, there is a slew of titles going back 40+ years about who the antichrist is. Popular ones have included Hubert Humprhey, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, just about every Soviet/Russian president, myriad Muslim heads of state and several Israelis.

This is just sort of following a traditional line of gross ignorance, not a new form of it.

A few comments on these comments:

Comparing Bush to Hitler seens obviously over the top, because Bush:

1. left office voluntarily
2. had his party stand for several elections where they got pasted.

We may disagree about Bush's politics, but let me go out on a big limb and say: Hitler was way worse.

Second, religious people can be reasoned with. Some even are world class in the field of epistemology and philosophy of religion: see Plantinga, Al.

Everybody has their nut cases and everybody is honor bound to try to take the log out their own groups eye if they are going to complain about specks in everyone elses!

The belief that most Evangelicals are part of a Dominionist group that wants to take over America strikes me as overkill as well. It is also uncharitable and associates a huge group with a few wicked terrorists or cranks.

Of course videos like the one I linked to are crankish and wicked . . . so there are people out there who fit the bill.

Just make out that all conservative Christians want a theocracy!

I don't know how to remove what I stand for from the craziness without pointing out what I think is crazy.

This sentence:
"Just make out that all conservative Christians want a theocracy! "

should read: "Just do not make out that all conservative Christians want a theocracy!"

As usual please pardon what my eye sight (and haste!) often does to what I write in the comment box.

John Mark

Yeah, but pretty close.

People were constantly complaining that George W. Bush was the anti-christ during his years in office but the main media never printed or aired this... which seems like to me a double standard. I can even remember back when Ronald Reagan was president. There were those calling him even the anti-christ because of the three 6's in his name Ronald Wilson Reagan -and thought the world would be coming to an end before he left office.

Some people actually thought George W. Bush was the anti-christ during his years in office and wrote about it etc., but you saw no media response to that, which appear to be a double standard. I can even think back to when Ronald Reagan was president, and people thought that he might be the anti-christ when he first took office. Why? Because he had three 6s in his name 'Ronald Wilson Reagan' some people suggested that this was an omen -and the world was being taken over by a demon.

I agree with former US Senator John Danforth (Republican and an ordained minister) when he says the Christian Right is responsible for the increased polarization of politics and the collapse of bipartisan collegiality (calling Obama the AntiChrist is just another of that trend).

It's easy to understand how the Christian Right demonizes their opponents. After all:

1. They are on God's side and anyone who disagrees with them is not.
2. They know God's will and all others do not.
3. They will use the power of government to advance their understanding of God's kingdom.
4. Anyone who opposes them is against God.

Given the above, why should the Christian Right compromise with, consider the views of, or even be civil to those who disagree with them? After all, they are agents of Satan. Ergo Obama, as the perceived leader in the US, is the AntiChrist.

Good thing there's a column in the venerable WASHINGTON POST explaining that Obama is not the "Anti-Christ!" Otherwise, insane people might think he is, and there would be all these folks whipping out their Evil Sticks and dancing around the pond and chanting "whoop whoop," semi-naked, to keep from catching his evil (much like catching gay). Now, please, let's have a column explaining how the Easter Bunny doesn't really "bring eggs." Otherwise, the same people will go on believing he does "bring eggs," when everybody knows its the Magic Hedgehog who actually brings them and the bunny who just delivers them.

You people go away. Stop scaring me.

May God (whoever/whatever) deliver us from the curse of religion.

Just when you think that this anti-Christ thing should be left alone out of the sheer inanity of it, you see stuff like poll data showing approximately 50% of GOP voters in the South believe Obama was born in Kenya. Ay caramba. Conscientious people would not react to silly things like the anti-Christ rantings if there wasn't sufficient reason to be concerned.

We survived Bush, somehow our country outlasted him. We'll outlast Obama too, and we even outlasted Jerry Fallwell, one of the most evil men our country has ever had to endure.

We can outlast almost anything.

*Almost* anything. We may not survive the christians. When their true nutjobs go out of their minds like this ... will the rest of them side with the secular constitution, or will they end up supporting the nuts because they are christian?

I have serious doubts.

Talk show hosts inciting the not so smart people to interrupt townhall meetings may, sooner or later lead to violence against our congressmen and our congresswomen. These meeting places do not have metal detectors. Also, its not like Capitol Hill is not under enough duress now from the threats of violence against our leaders whether you like them or not. The Capitol Hill Police do a wonderful job but these people that are inciting the nuts may make their job more difficult. There are many groups trying to create chaos and riots. Palin talking about "death panels"and stirring up fear amongst the elderly and others may lead to violence sooner or later. Glen Beck calling the President racist and saying that he hates white people may sooner or later lead to violence and more threats against our President. Comparing the President to Hitler as Rush Limbaugh and others are doing may provoke more threats and attempts against our President. Fox News a network that is own by someone not born in the USA is broadcasting negative news 24/7, giving comfort to the enemies of the President may lead to violence sooner or later. So take a good look those who are inciting riotous behavior and you're know where to place the blame.

Insinuating that the President is in fact a figure drawn from Christian mythology merely displays the ignorance of those drawing the insinuation. I like to irritate Christian fundamentalists by suggesting that John of Patmos actually was describing an event in the future at the time of his writing- specifically, the fall of the Roman Empire. I don't really believe that, but it makes them furrow their brows and engage their gray matter in ways that may be unfamiliar to them (which can only be a good thing).

The GOP has nothing substantive to offer the American public regarding economic or foreign policy, so instead they resort to the same juvenile name-calling that failed them during the 2008 election campaign. All they can do is point their finger at Obama, sneer, and smugly proclaim "Don't trust him. He is not one of us. He is un-American. He is a socialist....or a communist.....or a fascist.....or a Muslim...or the anti-Christ."

And their right-wing base jumps up and down and gets their blood boiling.

The more that the bombastic, bellicose, self-serving pundits and politicians that comprise the conservative base promote a message of hatred and fear about Obama and his policies, the greater the probability that yet another wacko extremist will take their message too literally and respond violently against anyone who they feel is not "pro-America" in their eyes.

Some leaders can have more Antichrist's traits then others, Nero acted like an Antichrist's,Napoleon acted like an Antichrist's,Hitler and Stalin both acted like the Antichrist's but to say Obama is "THE" Antichrist's,well,if he is, he better start using his powers to help his falling poll numbers.and quick!

Some leaders can have more Antichrist's traits then others, Nero acted like an Antichrist's,Napoleon acted like an Antichrist's,Hitler and Stalin both acted like the Antichrist's but to say Obama is "THE" Antichrist's,well,if he is, he better start using his powers to help his falling poll numbers.and quick!

He's a wolf in sheep's clothing

Obama may not be the anti-Christ but he sure does create the environment for the anti-Christ to arise.

A strong America is good for the world. What Obama is doing is making America weaker and its enemies (includes perceived friends) stronger.

Every military edge America have over other countries like the F-22 and anti-missile defense program has been scrapped.

There are many things Obama has done to weaken America including policies that are just against the words of the Bible.

The guy is a fool similar to the Joker. He thinks the world will collapse due to global warming leading him to make idiotic wasteful and stupid policies.

If part of America (liberal part) will burn soon, you can point a big part of the blame to this Joker.

Obama is worse than the Anti-Christ, He's a lying Socialist, he's the JOKER!

Well, we do know that the JOKER , the NPD sociopathic dual profile, in the Batman comics was not the Anti - Christ

Okay, so let me get this right--Obama is either an imaginary villain, the opposite of Jesus, from the Christian playground of make-believe beings, or he's a fictional villain from the Batman comic series.

And the Republicans wonder why they lost the election! With all those sharp Christian thinkers out there supporting them, how could they lose?!

Okay, so let me get this right--Obama is either an imaginary villain, the opposite of Jesus, from the Christian playground of make-believe beings, or he's a fictional villain from the Batman comic series.

And the Republicans wonder why they lost the election! With all those sharp Christian thinkers out there supporting them, how could they lose?!

I don't like making comparisons of Obama to Hitler, and I too believe that they are offensive, but many of the strong protestors today, myself included, are War Babies and Baby Boomers, and we went through the Sixties protesting and sometimes even marching with the Blacks in the South. We are proactive and most of us share the believe that America is unique, and has a completely different history than does Europe. European socialism scares us.

We know what Hitler did, and we don't think Obama is a Hitler, but when we hear about End of Life counseling, and when we hear the Director of Communication for Obams's Health Care plan issue a summons for neighbors to spy and report on each other, then we are alarmed, and we use the Hitler analogies to make sure that the White House understands how strong we feel about the matter. For instance, when I read the that White House put out that 'fishy' communique, I immediately thought that Obama's people were setting up Cyber Brown Shirts. And, yes, when I go to blog most days, my computer acts as if it is being jammed. I can hardly type or scroll most times. This only happens when I go to the two blogs that I comment on. So, I, and many of us, feel that we have to use the strongest language possible right now to alert people to the threat National Socialism, with a type of facism leading it. Thank God for the Blue Dog Democrates. They gave us time to protest. Otherwise, it looked as if Obama's people in the congress and in the White House were just going to ignore the strong feelings of about half the American People. And if the White House could have jammed the Health Bill through, I think they would have, and that could have been viewed as fascist.

There is no such thing as an anti-Christ. There are only crazy people, so selfish and self-centered or so evil that they cannot abide anyone who does not satisfy them and theirs. Politicians can be evil people and we have seen just how many have committed crimes to enrich themselves, economically or sexually, while condemning others for lesser sins. The evangelical movement is filled to the brim with people from the fringe elements trying to overthrow anyone in their corrupt paths. This country has never been more evil, more greedy, more selfish, than in any of the past seventy years of my life.

I believe the entire religious structure in the world is corrupted. They look for people easily manipulated, suck their wealth from them, (all for God, of course), and give nothing in return. When imbeciles like Falwell, Roberts, Robertson, etc claim tornados in little towns we've never heard of are God's punishment for homosexuality or abortion, and no religious leader of reputation, takes them to task for those lies, no wonder we are all moving away from faith.

The writer of this article, prefaces his remarks by claiming President Obama is making terrible decision. What the h*ll does he know? When was he personally ever confronted with the horrible problems the President took on when he moved into the White House? Religious leaders with no knowledge of governance, finance, economics, legislation, etc should just keep their ignorant mouths shut and work at what they know. And they don't know anything about running the wealthiest and most powerful country in the world. If there is something called an anti-Christ, it has to be the religious fakes who preach because it is an easy living and doesn't require them to get dirt under their fingernails.

There is no such thing as an anti-Christ. There are only crazy people, so selfish and self-centered or so evil that they cannot abide anyone who does not satisfy them and theirs. Politicians can be evil people and we have seen just how many have committed crimes to enrich themselves, economically or sexually, while condemning others for lesser sins. The evangelical movement is filled to the brim with people from the fringe elements trying to overthrow anyone in their corrupt paths. This country has never been more evil, more greedy, more selfish, than in any of the past seventy years of my life.

I believe the entire religious structure in the world is corrupted. They look for people easily manipulated, suck their wealth from them, (all for God, of course), and give nothing in return. When imbeciles like Falwell, Roberts, Robertson, etc claim tornados in little towns we've never heard of are God's punishment for homosexuality or abortion, and no religious leader of reputation, takes them to task for those lies, no wonder we are all moving away from faith.

The writer of this article, prefaces his remarks by claiming President Obama is making terrible decision. What the h*ll does he know? When was he personally ever confronted with the horrible problems the President took on when he moved into the White House? Religious leaders with no knowledge of governance, finance, economics, legislation, etc should just keep their ignorant mouths shut and work at what they know. And they don't know anything about running the wealthiest and most powerful country in the world. If there is something called an anti-Christ, it has to be the religious fakes who preach because it is an easy living and doesn't require them to get dirt under their fingernails.

anybody dumb enough to believe in anything like an anti-christ is certainly dumb enough to believe Obama is that anti-christ.

It's said that correlation is not causation, but given that all the religious freaks are clustered at the core of the conservative republicans, is it any wonder that bs like this would sell in that crowd?

Does the republican leadership know what they're getting by pandering to these insane people ... or maybe the republican leadership truly does represent them?

People said a lot of ugly things about Bush, just as others are saying ugly things about Obama. But the former stopped at saying these ugly things, I just don't trust that the latter group will stop with just saying those ugly things. They are already appearing in angry mobs at public events, how many steps are they from where they are now to doing ugly things?

MILLER123....were you just as upset when the left was exhibiting "riotous behavior" during the last administration and all the liberal media was begging for failure, or is it only wrong when the conservatives make issue of something you support and only then that you are convinced that "chaos and riots" are just a matter of time? You need not answer, it is painfully obvious. It disgusts me to read the hypocrasy in so many of current posts. Glass houses gentlemen....glass houses!!!!!!

Interesting that the hollerers at town hall meetings equate their performance with, say, anti-torture or anti-war protesters from 5 or 6 years ago. Do you really feel that people protesting against torturing people are the same as people protesting against providing healthcare for people?

"Conservative Christians" and "people of faith" are continuously becoming caricatures of themselves and of their negative stereotypes. Palin, for example, perpetuating the Rovian scare tactic that health care reform will "murder the elderly" and calling it "evil" is a perfect example.

Like the dwindling Republicans who are now a ridiculous joke represented by Limbaugh, Hannity and O'Reilly, "Orthodox Christians" will go the way of the do-do bird if they keep it up. Young people are becoming more educated and aware and will reject their parent's blind redneck allegiance to those who constantly scare and anger them.

Calling people names and criticizing there feelings will not make it go away. There is a cultural undercurrent which can be seen in movies like "Meteor" and "Knowing" that the world we know of is coming to an end. Global warming, overpopulation, polar shift in 2012 are all ideas brewing in the minds of average joes. There is a growing class of individuals that are disenfranchised because the rich have decided that "the middle class" is an unnecessary expense that can be eliminated with no consequences to them. As far as Obama being the anti-christ - well we know he has a spot in one of the underground bunkers and he certainly is printing money like there is no tomorrow. Ignoring the insecurity and angst of a whole class of individuals could be an reasonable decision especially if there is no room in the bunkers for them anyway.

Christians like you primed the pump for this kind of behavior. You gleefully accepted your role as the christian coalition" that brought us rightous christian leaders (george bush?) who bankrupted this country and started a crusade.

Now christians are being whipped into a frenzy and frightened to death by the same organizers and talk show hosts who led you on that political charge.

Watering the plants is good, but what if you could never turn off the hose?

It would be easier to dismiss the lunacy of people like this if their irresponsibility weren't so dangerous. Videos, blogs, hateful posters, scurrilous claims of illegitimacy, all play to the unbalanced individuals among us who might be encouraged to do something unthinkable.

No doubt, this is where the birthers and Rush/Beck go next. I agree with the previous poster: You and your hateful ilk have watered these plants, and now their idiocy grows. There will be violence, and you are responsible. Spare me the sanctimony and the snort. Nice column to get this video out to the general public. Thanks for nothing.

Professor Reynolds' essay is a reasoned, cogent approach to the absurd ranting and name calling of all sides in the political circus that constitutes America today. Unfortunately, you cannot use the word reason when dealing with the politically insane. Professor, you cast pearls before swine.

Professor Reynolds' essay is a reasoned, cogent approach to the absurd ranting and name calling of all sides in the political circus that constitutes America today. Unfortunately, you cannot use the word reason when dealing with the politically insane. Professor, you cast pearls before swine.

Okay, so let me get this right--Obama is either an imaginary villain, the opposite of Jesus, from the Christian playground of make-believe beings, or he's a fictional villain from the Batman comic series.

And the Republicans wonder why they lost the election!
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And the Democrats are wondering why the JOKERS poll numbers are dropping. Americans legs are losing that tingly feeling

Obama is the Christian baby killer.
Obama is the centrist left wing radical
Obama is the American anti American
Obama is the JOKER

Obama may not be the Anti-Christ but the Anti-Christ must be happy with Obama the JOKER.

John Mark Reynolds throws up another straw dog and does a major disservice to Americans that don't pay much attention to politics except in sound bits. This ia NOT main stream Republican thinking not even with Beck but YOU hint that it is. Shame on you. Did you here the years of ugly attacks and diatribe directed toward Bush?
Obama is another major producer of straw dogs for the pleasure of the ignorant.

I'm sure Christ doesn't care and neither do I. I almost spent my last silver dollar and they're not going to catch me, so keep on midnight riding. All power is inherent in the people. Can't kill us, because we're the people.

Another in the never-ending series of Obama Apologia sponsored by Quinn and Meacham.
Question Obama? Horrors no! Just take him ...............'On Faith'.

How do we know that you are not the Anti-Christ? The battles over religions consume way too much energy and blood. Obama has nothing to worry about... it is the GOP.

Welcome to the death panel, Sarah. You almost singlehandedly have begun the GOP death watch. We are concerned when political parties begin to look terminal with suicidal ideations and hullicinations.

You are scaring voters and potential voters away from the GOP and into the loving arms of the Democrats. Wow! Did McCain ever screwup picking you as a VP candidate.

its interesting to note thzt the author (quite rightly) points out that thinking Barack is the antichrist is ludicrous fantasy, but doesnt seem to get that the idea that there even is an antichrist is equally as propostorous

Of course our President is NOT the Antichrist! There is only one known Antichrist and that is Sarah Palin.

No, Obama is not the antichrist. That doesn't really refer to religion, but to all that is bad. Actually, the antichrist today is the media, which have done more damage than ever thought possible to people in public life. Those columns of men like Bob Herbert and women like Maureen Dowd are poisonous and contagious.

Oh, really? what a ridiculous headline. Who thinks Obama is the "antichrist" other than a few right-wing lunatics. I thought for a moment I was reading the Enquirer.

I have yet to read a comment on the actual article. The writer is a teacher at Biola and is supposedly writing to refute said video. What you write, sir, refutes nothing. Don't get me wrong, I too have my doubts about Obama being the AntiChrist BUT the fact of the matter remains that the words in the Hebrew language DO sound like BARAK BAMAW. We have researched this and there is no getting around it. Sure you can make the claim that Jesus did not speak in Hebrew, (He only read it in the scriptures) only in Aramaic. The fact is that Jesus was at least trilingual speaking Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek and possibly even Latin as well. Now, those of us who know more than one language can safely say that when we make a statement in one particular language, we automatically think of it in the other languages that we know. Now with that being said, do you think that the God of the universe (Jesus Christ)would not be thinking about what he is saying and how what He has said would sound in the most common Religious Language of His day (Hebrew)...are you stupid or what? You College Professors need to learn a little common sense. Sure the claim may be outlandish BUT no one has disproved it yet.
Ce la vie!

Obama is not as evil as his enemies say he is nor as good as his supporters believe him to be. The narcissistic manner in which the candidate introduced himself to the American public- two books, both about himself (JFK wrote about England and congressional heroism as a comparison) and speeches whereby he appeared to be channeling an unnamed biblical prophet. Clearly Obama is unused to criticism, a dangerous quality in a politician. I, for one, welcome all the criticism he is getting now and will do my bit to humanize him even further.

A chortle is warranted at your snort of gentlemanly disgust. I expected so much more from such a learned man, leastwise I expected fewer words... something akin to being direct without droning on and on and...

I didn't see the video in question (having wasted enough of my time reading the article posted). I doubt anyone with common sense thinks Obama the anitchrist or antipasta for that matter... common sense appears to be an uncommon attribute (abundant) on both sides of the aisle. I, am of course, viewing the back and forth nonsense from on high (wink).

JOKERS poll numbers are dropping. Americans legs are losing that tingly feeling

Obama is the Christian baby killer.
Obama is the centrist left wing radical
Obama is the American anti American
Obama is the JOKER

Posted by: ekim53 | August 8, 2009 10:26 AM
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"Centrist left wing radical"? Yea, you gotta watch those evil centrists.

You commentors talk about the anti-christ, I think the bible marks the beast as the nmber 666. But the early bible talks of people in terms of 1000's so then the number 666 is the two thirds majority, such as the majority at town hall meetings of people that scream against helping people in need of medical care.

Good luck to you as you and your groups then must be the anti-christ or 666.

Obama's policies and stupidity does weaken America. He may not be the anti-Christ per se but he sure does pave the way for the anti Christ to arise.

I never imagined that Obama will play a very big role in hastening Doomsday. Stupidity is self-destructive and the Joker (Obama) is apt to the job.

Yonkers, New York
08 August 2009

Let's just face it squarely: America will never be completely rid of the "Lunatic Fringe" who feel free, shielded by the First Amendment's right of free speech and a free press, to abuse that right any way they see fit.

This lunatic fringe has no problem coming up with its controversial video calling Barack Obama the "Antichrist."

I have a feeling that such high-profile media personalities as Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Ann Coulter--and even Dick Armey, Newt Gingrich!--can see nothing wrong with that characterization of Barack Obama.

Considering what Mr. Obama is now doing to make America a better place for all Americans, it is no wonder that this lunatic fringe has resorted to giving him a description the great majority of Americans of course know he does not deserve.

I am sure President Obama has better and more important things to do for America, including protecting the rights of the lunatic fringe to say what they feel like saying.

Mariano Patalinjug

I doubt that MANFROMUNCLE1 knows Hebrew, and I certainly doubt his familiarity with French, after his "Ce la vie" sign-off.

Professor Reynolds: I grew up in a Southern Baptist community in which people commonly imagined that the Anti-Christ was coming soon. But they didn't seem to me to get very worked up about it. They kept their jobs, went on with their lives, and in most ways acted as though God and religion were not very important. So I wouldn't take this video very seriously. Think of it as another reason to get behind Obama's educational policies -- or to argue for strengthening them. For economic and political purposes, the U.S. desperately needs more high school graduates, college grads, and people with advanced degrees. Among religious groups, obviously, we could use more graduates of seminaries and students of ancient languages.

Hey,anyone who decides to run a nation is taking on a big task. I couldn't even think about tackling such a thing. Your not going to please everyone. Try running a country perfectly, your not. Give the man a chance - please!

What tripe. This is really profound subject matter for a professor of philosophy. This article appears on the same page where the weighty opinion question is whether or not folks are excited about a tv show being filmed in dc.

Ya know, if y'all want something to think about, how about the difference in the murder rate between fundamentalist Christians and muslums. It's kinda idiotic for anyone to try to equate the two, as I'm sure you will agree.

C'mon, show some hair on your cajones and tackle an issue that really matters. That wouldn't be pc I guess, since all religions are equal - to idiots.

JOHN MARK REYNOLDS:
Comparing Bush to Hitler seens obviously over the top, because Bush:

1. left office voluntarily
2. had his party stand for several elections where they got pasted.
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For all the reasons that detach Bush from a comparison to Hitler, those are pretty lame.

Bush did not leave voluntarily any more than Hitler did. One could not escape term limits, and the other, a bullet.

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JOHN MARK REYNOLDS:
Second, religious people can be reasoned with. Some even are world class in the field of epistemology and philosophy of religion: see Plantinga, Al.
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Nah. If religious people could be reasoned with, they would not be religious anymore.

Religious people can behave reasonably, that I can accept.

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JOHN MARK REYNOLDS:
Everybody has their nut cases and everybody is honor bound to try to take the log out their own groups eye if they are going to complain about specks in everyone elses!
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Well, can you name the nut cases in my group? I am an atheist living in the USA. Who are the nut cases that compare to say, Wiley Drake, Ted Haggard or Billy Graham amongst us?

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JOHN MARK REYNOLDS
The belief that most Evangelicals are part of a Dominionist group that wants to take over America strikes me as overkill as well. It is also uncharitable and associates a huge group with a few wicked terrorists or cranks.
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It strikes you as overkill because...?

Obama's policies and stupidity does weaken America.

POSTED BY: SPIDERMEAN2
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Which ones, and how so?

Oh great. Another loaded question from the "christians" and you just had to discuss it as if the entire christian world was in a quandry over it.

Christian leaders create this atmosphere of the "other", not like us, must be evil, must be muslim, not born here, reverse racist, baby killer, granny killer, gays. Then you feign surprise that the people you taught this line of thinking come up with this crap.

Christians were hypnotized by the GOP and their lobbyists with the blessing of most of the "christian" leadership. Now they must do their bidding for them, they must smite everyone who does not agree with them. Biblical references of evil should be of surprise to no one--especially a preacher!

Jesus told us that we will be judged based on how we treat the stranger and the least of us, yet I hear these so-called Christians screaming and hollering that some poor non-citizen might get insurance coverage, somehow, somewhere -- the crime of it!

These so-called Christians conjure up "death committees" out of their lunatic imaginations, but say nothing -- not one word -- about insurance companies that have revoked the policies of terribly sick people by the thousands, are doing it right now, and letting those people die -- for what? Profit.

None of us know what Jesus would do if he were here right now, but my guess is he would find the moneychangers among the insurers and the conservative Republican politicians so many of you have given your fealty to. Not one of us is exempt from the sin of hypocrisy, but when it comes to the Palins and the Becks of the world, the stink of hypocrisy reaches straight up to heaven.

"The ridiculous claims regarding George W. Bush were widely circulated, but not referenced - to my knowledge or with any regularity - in the media. Why are these absurdities regarding President Obama legitimized by being written on in respectable publications like the Post?"

The reason that this is noteworthy is that there is a sense of permission in society that we haven't seen before. The Secret Service says that threats against this President are multiples higher than against President Bush.

There is a feeling that anything goes in the tirades against President Obama, by people who would be horrified to be called out on it. Whether they have just gotten carried away by the moment ("everyone else is doing and saying these things"), or have actual hatred and anger toward the President doesn't matter. We are not talking about fringe elements in society, or college students who have never been noted for their judgment and maturity.

We are seeing a new sort of rascist comments from middle class, high school (at least) educated, etc., people who have not before been active in this manner. There is also an open racist attitude on behalf of people, who don't totally feel free to SPEAK such sentiments, but clearly feel that way when they are engaged one on one in a sympathetic environment. It shows me that our society has not advanced as far as we think. When people don't feel free to name their real grievances, they find other, more socially acceptable ways to express fear and anger.

For a number of years, now, we have had an active fundamentalist Christianity alive in the US that calls out others as being less "correct" in their faith (a number have claimed that mainline Christians, for example, are under Satan's rule...) When other forms of Christianity are not allowed to live peacefully according to their own understanding of the faith, which is just as valid as the fundamentalists, we have a problem. I believe the current defamation of President Obama are all tied together with vestigial racism, a Christianity that feels it is not accepted in society and so demands its place, and the economic problems many people currently experience.

When Medicare recipients demand "keep the government out of my health care" at the same time that in many ways their government administered health care is some of the best in the country, and many others have it much worse, it would be comical...except the rhetoric is becoming more than funny YouTub videos about crying seniors fearful of the future. It is becoming an enabling sense of permission.

In my niece's high school, in California, the overwhelming sentiment during the campaign last year was that they strongly supported President Obama...but they believed he would not survive the first term in office. What is the country coming to? We've had Presidents assassinated before; in every case, they were unexpected attacks, by one or a very small number of people acting out. But now, threats against the President are all over the internet. It is not hard to find them. How many people believe these posts. How many might try to act on them?

All people of good will, religious or not, need to be part of the healing of this society, not adding fuel to the fire.

Pr chris

Everybody has their nut cases and everybody is honor bound to try to take the log out their own groups eye if they are going to complain about specks in everyone elses!
The belief that most Evangelicals are part of a Dominionist group that wants to take over America strikes me as overkill as well. It is also uncharitable and associates a huge group with a few wicked terrorists or cranks.
Of course videos like the one I linked to are crankish and wicked . . . so there are people out there who fit the bill.

Dr Reynolds:

I used to think like you do, but in the last half dozen years, I have been involved in trying to deal with the consequences of such behavior: We have a situation in the US Military, where the Chaplain Corps in some of the services have become inordinantly filled with evangelical Chaplains who are completely intolerant not just for other religions, but other forms of Christianity. The "Cooperation without Compromise" that was evident when I was in the Navy Chaplaincy in the 1970s is now gone, to the point where some Christians are under pressure from their chaplains to reject their own faith in favor of the evangelical form of Christianity, where senior enlisted and senior officers feel free to "witness" to their own faith during duty to junior troops to pressure them. When faithful members of the Church of any denomination enter the military and are called "athiests" by Christian Chaplains, when Chaplians do not see themselves as pastorally caring for the troops in their units, but see their role as evangelists who are out to "win" every troop for THEIR views, we as a nation in which all religions have the right to worship peacefully, we have a problem. I would never serve in today's military Chaplaincy, even though I had a very fruitful and fulfilling ministry in the Navy.

Pr Chris

PS: Dr Reynolds, I live in T.O. I'd love to discuss this with you some day. It is worse than you might realize.

The anti-Christ would not use a teleprompter. He is supposed to be a skillful speaker.

So that kind of rules out Obama right off the bat.

I don't know why people make this so complicated.

DAMBAM

You write:

"We know what Hitler did, and we don't think Obama is a Hitler, but when we hear about End of Life counseling, and when we hear the Director of Communication for Obams's Health Care plan issue a summons for neighbors to spy and report on each other, then we are alarmed, and we use the Hitler analogies to make sure that the White House understands how strong we feel about the matter."

In stead of feeling alarmed: Why don't you do some research so you don't have to be alarmed? Three sites will give you some idea of what is going on: Snopes, Fact-Check and the St. Petersburg times' PolitiFact. It really isnt't hard to find answers, and then you don't have to be all worried. And you'll find that all these "conspiracies", are just spiteful lies, posted to make folks worry.

After 20 years service in the military, living overseas, I've learned a lot about other countries, and you know, we are so far behind everyone else on medical care it isn't funny. We're something like 41st in infant care, about 30th in cardiac care, etc., etc. And we bankrupt ourselves if we have a medical crisis. When the administration is trying to do something that might have some benefit, why not get informed FIRST, then complain, with the facts, if you don't like what you hear.

You say:

"For instance, when I read the that White House put out that 'fishy' communique, I immediately thought that Obama's people were setting up Cyber Brown Shirts."

Gee...I think: "I wonder what that is all about?", and go find out. Why in the world would my first thought be "Cyber Brown Shirts"???? Are you sure you are ok?

You say:

"And, yes, when I go to blog most days, my computer acts as if it is being jammed. I can hardly type or scroll most times. This only happens when I go to the two blogs that I comment on. So, I, and many of us, feel that we have to use the strongest language possible right now to alert people to the threat National Socialism, with a type of facism leading it. Thank God for the Blue Dog Democrates. They gave us time to protest. Otherwise, it looked as if Obama's people in the congress and in the White House were just going to ignore the strong feelings of about half the American People. And if the White House could have jammed the Health Bill through, I think they would have, and that could have been viewed as fascist."

If your computer slows down a lot, are you sure you are using all your protective software? It is not a big plot against you to take over the world. It is mostly the fact that today's computers are like the model T auto--they take a lot of tinkering to keep them working. It has more to do with memory (when's the last time you deleted temporary internet files and cookies, for instance???)than some big plot. And some internet sites are overwhelmed, especially if they are conspiracy sites and there's a new hot juicy one going...

If you aren't squashing rumors, you are contributing to them, and a whole bunch of people getting excited and yelling and passing around chain emails is not going to help. Maybe instead of blogging every day, you might read some books...not ones by Vince Flynn, Tom Clancy and similar authors. Go read an Agatha Christie or something and relax..or read the Federalist Papers again.

There are many of us who don't think that the health care bills being fought out in Congress go FAR ENOUGH. I've got TRICARE and am eligible for the VA system. My folks are on TRICARE and Medicare. All 3 of us are guaranteed good health care, but 10s of millions of our fellow Americans DO NOT HAVE ANY. This is a moral issue. Every American deserves health care as a human right and a matter of dignity.

Why in the world should the
"health insurance" industry get a 20% cut off the top of our health dollar? What in the world do they do that is worth that? Please explain.

Pr Chris

Why are you even devoting time or energy to this racist crazy-making? What's next, an article assuring us the sky isn't really falling?

Anti Claus, anti tooth fairy, anti Christ, anti easter bunny....whoopy!

I love the argument: everyone I don't like called Bush the anti-Christ, just the mainstream media never printed it and we never heard about it. Perhaps this was because all of that was in your own twisted imagination, along with the other delusions? Face it, there were loons that called Bush a lot of things, but it was nowhwere as prevalent, or encouraged as the present rage of the morons phase that the GOP base is in. The GOP base is embarrassing itself, its party and its country right now, and they seem to be PROUD of it more every day.

If you "Christians" want to call Obama the anti-Christ, you have to call him gay, too.
Palin's witchdoctor says the anti-Christ is a homosexual and we must believe it because the Bible tells us so.

is obama the antichrist...
for one, you can't pin down obama on religion...
don't recall reading where he and his family have chosen a church and people treat and follow him as if he was a god...
so is obama the antichrist...
it doesn't have to be the supernatural antichrist to be the antichrist...
lets just say there are questions as to his faith and loyalty...

Dear Jesus,

Please protect us from Your followers.

Amen.

How sad the Love-of-Jesus Christianity I grew up in and used to love has become a stereotype cartoon caricature of hateful, narrow and politically manipulative Republican "Christian conservatives" and "people of faith"

I never called Bush "the anit-Christ, just plain dumb.

Should the blog-owner fail to permit my response, here "Pursue Truth Wherever It May Lead" is: http://theamericanfundament.blogspot.com/

P.S. Bush is an element of that which Thomas Jefferson identified as "the real Anti-Christ." Only quislings, pollyannas, and Fifth Column operatives don't "know" it.

Well, it looks like all this nonsense will be taken care of come the Rapture, so why worry?
The thing that's really scary about this article is the author stating:
"Traditional Christians, called to be loving, truthful, and logical, should be the first to reject this foolish video, because it is hateful, wrong, and illogical."

Since when is ANYTHING religious "logical"? Religion--all religions--are the antithesis of common sense and rationality, especially one where the majority of it's followers believe the earth suddenly appeared from the cosmos while Sumerians were brewing beer; where an ark carried two of each species on earth even though the hull of the ship couldn't carry two each of every beetle species known to man; where the first woman was the product of a guy's rib . . .
Christians may be a little less violent than they were in the days of the Crusades, Reformation, and the Inquisition, but logical is something they have never been.

Of course, Obama is NOT the anti-Christ. Students of the Bible know this truth. It is also nothing to toss about lightly. However, Obama is a person who puts his Christian faith on the line each and every day. He went to Egypt and presented Christ to a region controlled by Muslim influence. He did this in the way that Jesus taught in Matthew 28:19-20.

It takes a very strong Christian to take the daily dishing out of garbage that Obama must endure each and every day. To his credit, he basically tries to ignore the slanders and the libels. He operates on the belief that each person has some kernel of good within. He tries his best to tap into this well of good.

As a Christian, I get very frustrated with the callous disregard for truth of the "birthers." I know that God has said that vengeance is His. Surely, there are no Christians involved in the disruption of the townhall meetings. My Jesus taught about personal responsibillity and appropriate behavior. He absoltely resisted to speak evil about the Roman government. His biggest obstacle to his message was the religious establishment of His time. Not much has changed.

How thoughtful and refreshing.

Bottom line:
Belief in an "Antichrist" is, in a word. "STUPID"!

I haven't seen any video asserting Obama is the Anti-Christ, but I did see several videos produced by liberals accusing George Bush of being the Anti-Christ, one of him as a monkey, and another accusing Sarah Palin of being a loose woman. Liberals in general and Obama in particular seem very thin-skinned about accepting the same criticisms they made (and continue to make) of Bush, Cheney, McCain, Palin, and on and on. I don't think any of these people is the Anti-Christ, but I do think in tolerating such a double standard, the liberal left is encouraging evil, and evil is as evil does.

Does this article really belong in a National NewsPaper giving validity to this wild-eyed notion? Why not run this in NewsMax or your own church newsletter or periodical. The only people that need this lesson are the right wing radicals that are bound to believe or perpetrate this atrocity. God save us from these Evangelicals who are going to be the ruin of Christianity.

Peo9le can believe whatever they want but that doesn't make Obama anti-christ neither does that change who he is

Well, for what it's worth, the Bible says that we are all to be known by the fruits of our labors.

I'd say that as far as the Antichrist goes, Dick Cheney is probably closer to that "honorary" title, with G.W. Bush running a close second.

Manfromuncle:

(first of all it is "c'est la vie" - the "st" is silent...)

Second. Words in one language are only valid IN THAT LANGUAGE. Lots of words that are perfectly fine in one language may be oscene in another--or have no meaning at all! (When learning a language, beginners often translate literally from their native language to the one they are learning. Sometimes the result is totally embarrasing, or even rude or disrespectful in the other language. That's the reality of languages; they are time and culture sensitive.) That "barak" [or was it birok, or borok, borik or buruk or birik? Hebrew does not originally have the vowells, so it could be any of these]shows up in Hebrew is meaningless for English or the languages of Kenya or anything else.

Further, as a theological point: The happenstance of picking out two words in totally different parts of scripture with NO LINKS between them is meaningless! THAT'S one point that Professor Reynolds was making. Connecting such verses is an exercise in complete and utter waste of time.

If you gave a monkey a computer or typewriter long enough he'd probably come up with manfromuncle, also. So what?

The scriptures (like any ancient language) were originally written for THAT people in languages that had meaning for the hearers/readers. That people centuries away in totally different languages...that did not exist when the text was written-- may assign them some other meaning is worthless as making any point.

Do you know what the word Jehovah means? Some people would argue it is the way the Name of G-d was pronounced, using the four Hebrew letters that are called in Greek the Tetragrammaton [the four which are written, essentially]. The one problem: That's not the way the word was pronounced. You see, the four letters written in the Hebrew bible like all Hebrew words were originally written without their vowels. When later writers came along, and vowels were added to the text to aid in pronunciation, the word marked by the Tetragrammaton was considered too sacred to chance mispronouncing it. So, the letters for "adonai" were placed underneath it...so the person reading aloud would be reminded to say "adonai" which is another, generic word for G-d...but not The sacred word. And later, people who did not understand what was going on...who had just enough Hebrew to be able to sound out the words they found, did not realize why the vowels that they found were not correct, wrote the word as "Jehovah" [the consonants of the Tetragrammaton and the vowels of adonai. It is like I took the consonants for "Street: STT, and placed them with the vowels for "road". The result: STROAD has no meaning.) And yet, in addition to Jews who know what happened because they learned it in synogogue or temple, we know that this is the case because the Septuagint, which is the GREEK translation of the Hebrew Bible, from about 275 or so BCE, did not have that restriction on pronunciations. And so, they translated the proper pronunciation of the Name of G-d into Greek. And so, we find it spelled out completely. And it is NOT Jehovah.

This is just one example of the sorts of things one gets into by not fully understanding languages one is working with. It is one of the reason that seminaries require students to LEARN Greek and Hebrew. And Latin, too. And sometimes Aramaic, and Coptic, and Akkadian, etc., etc.

In short, I would say that the video is worthless at proving its point, but it is hateful because it will suck some naive people into believing it.

Pr Chris

"is obama the antichrist...
for one, you can't pin down obama on religion...
don't recall reading where he and his family have chosen a church and people treat and follow him as if he was a god...
so is obama the antichrist..".

NONE of the recent Presidents have established a church in the DC area. Mostly, they worship with the community at Camp David (yes, there is a chapel and a worshipping community there). For one thing, they are often not in town on Sundays. For another, ANY church they visit becomes a circus. ALL worshippers have to go through metal detectors, Secret Service people are there, etc. Why would ANY President want to disrupt the worship life of that congregation? When you visit the major Cathedrals of Rome, it is striking how people for whom these are their neighborhood churches have to put up constantly with tour groups, with tour guides talking about whatever features of the church are notable. What a pain. Like Bush, Clinton, Reagan, etc., before him, Obama is thoughtful regarding not only his own family's need for a worshipping community, but to not destroy one that is in DC.

Pr Chris

This President is a Christian. His denomination the United Church of Christ, which has a very welcoming attitude towards all, and thus have welcomed people of all ethnic backgrounds. Just cut him some slack folks. He prays, he reads the bible, he knows the hymns of faith. Just because he doesn't want the Sunday Circus is meaningless.

Pr Chris

Sadly, there are many people who believe this, just as there are those who believe Obama wasn't born in the United States, that his health care reform proposes to kill the elderly, and that Obama has a "deep-seated hatred of white people."

Obama has already been compared to Hitler by the right wing -- and not the extremists either -- many times.

And that is the point. These aren't fringe people. This kind of outlandish rhetoric is squarely in the mainstream. The "deep-seated hatred comment?" Glenn Beck. The Hitler references? Bill O'Reilly et. al. The "birther" nonsense? Lou Dobbs.

Please with this notion that these are radical crazies saying this stuff.

The people asked for this man to be the leader of this nation, and God give them what thy wanted. America has turn its back on God, removed him from schools, and public institutions, change his laws and ordinance, it is the people that's anti-Christ, God holds the people accountable along with the leaders, for the evil in America.

John Mark Reynolds said:

"The Antichrist is a literary symbol for all that is bad about humanity and many traditional Christians think that eventually there will be one tyrant who incarnates all those evils. Calling or even suggesting that someone is the Antichrist is worse from this perspective than calling a man 'Hitler.'"

So, from "this perspective," an evil fictional character is worse than an evil human being? An imaginary villain whose man-invention is more obvious than the Tooth Fairy's is worse than an ACTUAL person who committed large-scale murder and arguably the worst atrocities in modern times? "This perspective" is the perspective of a divorce from reason and reality, and exemplifies the problem with any religion that encourages people to be so utterly stupid.

Breathtaking.

Obama isn't the Anti-Christ, the Republicans are.

Since humankind has historically shown an aptitude for cruelty, ignorance, intolerance, and lack of charity to those different from the tribe (with the characteristic resort to warfare as a result), the religious concept of an Antichrist is not only a monumental redundancy but the ultimate excuse for hatred.

"Obama is worse than the Anti-Christ, He's a lying Socialist, he's the JOKER!"

Would it be too geeky to point out that the Joker is NOT a socialist? Far from it. In fact, in "The Dark Knight", the Joker assassinated his partners in crime in order to not share their spoils equally. The Joker is an anarchist - he enjoys "watching the world burn" for his amusement. While you can claim a lot of things about Obama (and you probably will, since you're obviously a shill for Glenn Beck), he is not interested in watching the world burn for his own amusement.

Of course, this is using a logical argument to try to reason with you teabaggers. It's like going into a battle of wits with an unarmed person.

Bush is the Anti-Christ.
Ever wonder how he could do everything wrong and still come out on top?
Why do you think it is so hot in Texas these days?
The devil likes it that way.

You ignore the obvious John. While Bush/Hitler tee-shirts "associated" Bush with Hitler, associated his policies, his minion's actions such as outing CIA agents for spite etc, the video is saying that Obama IS the anti-christ, not just associated. Now I agree that the Bush/Hitler association was over the top, but it was an association of policies, of political direction, no one was saying that Bush WAS Hitler.

This is an important distinction. While we can all understand an association of policy, how some can act like others, saying that anyone is the anti-christ takes more, it takes a fervent belief in religion and a trust in one's religious leaders to provide this information. Few are out there figuring this out themselves. It is being taught to people who have placed enormous trust in their religious leaders. No one was "trusting" the Bush/Hitler association. Tee-shirts are designed to make a connection, for the person who sees it to say "yea, I agree". No one has an Obama=Antichrist tee-shirt because no one thinks this on their own. Such associations are taught to the weak minded.

Comparing the two phenomenon is not a good comparison. What would be a better comparison to the Obama-Antichrist phenomenon would be those who have followed their religious leaders into mass suicide, the ultimate example of how religion can make anything make sense.

AntiChrists: Let's see. Among those so named have been: Franco, Hitler, FDR, John Fitzgerald Kennedy, Humphrey, Bush, Cheney,Obama, et al.

Seems like the Christians have sure found themselves a lot of Christian antiChrists. NOw, from the above list, shall we take votes?

And, btw., how come there are no female antiChrists?

The word "anti-Christ" first appeared in Revelation.

What some very famous people have concluded about said book: see Wikipedia for the cited references.

"Nineteenth-century agnostic Robert G. Ingersoll branded Revelation "the insanest of all books".[57] Thomas Jefferson omitted it along with most of the Biblical canon, from the Jefferson Bible, and wrote that at one time, he considered it as "merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams." [58]

Martin Luther changed his perspective on Revelation over time. In the preface to the German translation of Revelation that he composed in 1522, he said that he did not consider the book prophetic or apostolic, since "Christ is neither taught nor known in it." But in the completely new preface that he composed in 1530, he reversed his position and concluded that Christ was central to the book. He concluded, As we see here in this book, that through and beyond all plagues, beasts, and evil angels, Christ is nonetheless with the saints and wins the final victory."[59]

John Calvin "had grave doubts about its value."

You can't blame the people if they view Obama as the anti-Christ.

When somebody believes that the earth will end because of global warming and make laws to close down power plants (no alternatives yet), spend billions on a car company and ending up bankrupt and lose lots of jobs, tinkering with socialism when America fought it for decades, spend billions for gay partners to have health care, the list continues...

Obama is not the anti-Christ but the guy is paving the way for the anti-Christ to arise where stupidity abounds.

The person is so dumb that people are just wary to give him the chance to revamp health care. "Just say no" slogan is just a result of distrust about him.

Obama is not the anti-Christ. As a Christian, I object to what seems to be a strong tendency of main stream media to shine the light on the fringe idiots that claim to be Christians but obviously are acting in direct opposite manner from what the Bible calls for. However, Obama is causing tax money to be used to pay for abortions. I realize we must "give unto Caesar what is Caesar's (that is access to abortion because the secular public wants it) but he is using my tax money to commit what I consider an immoral act. Let the Hollywood stars that support abortion pay for them.

SPIDERMEAN2,

You: “You can't blame the people if they view Obama as the anti-Christ.”

Yes we can. We can blame the people as stupid believing that a real person could be the actual fictional person invented by old bronze age men that new less about the world than a today’s 10 years old child.

You: “When somebody believes that the earth will end because of global warming…”

That is not what scientifics say. Global warming could cause a great impact in the environment that in turn will affect negatively to living creatures, even to the extreme that many species could disappear. Please cite when and where Obama said that the earth will end.

You: “…and make laws to close down power plants (no alternatives yet)”.

Who told you that presidents make laws? They can promote and suggest laws trough their party Senators and House Representatives, but create laws no, unless for create you mean ratify o refuse a law created by Congress.

You: “…spend billions on a car company and ending up bankrupt and lose lots of jobs…”

Our country should not have companies that are to big to fail. This is not an Obama created problem, and he cannot change everything in one day. You may say that saving this company was a bad policy, but this will not qualify as the basis to relate the man to a fictional character of a deluded book.

You: “…tinkering with socialism when America fought it for decades...”

Conceptual and historical false. We never have fought socialism in general. We fought National Socialism and Communism regimes and ideas. But we certainly never have fought a war against general socialism regimes and ideas. In fact we live in a country that is to certain extent socialist and the majority of people are Christians that believe in Jesus, who also to certain extent had socialist ideas.

You: “…spend billions for gay partners to have health care…”

By accepting gay partners rights means that the man is a real believer in Jesus ideas, even if Jesus more likely never existed. But let me remind you that Obama has not expended a dime in health care for gay partners, so what you are saying is a technical lie.

Please check your facts and come up with a better list…

WOW this guy would have flunked Fuller's exegesis class in a heartbeat. Thanks for the slamming of this abuse of scripture. I am not a huge fan of the President but I respect the office and guts of anyone who wants that sorry job.

Having said this at least we live in a nation where such insane drivel can be shared. It is just unfortunate IMHO that such people are allowed to breed and vote.

Peace

Someone on youtube is WRONG? Oh no!

Here's the real scoop. Obama should limit his fans to calling him President Martin Luther King, the modern St. Francis of Assisi and the greatest person to ever walk the earth. Going overboard by calling him the messiah casts him as the anti-christ with predictable results.

JUSTACOMMENT wrote " We can blame the people as stupid believing that a real person could be the actual fictional person invented by old bronze age men that new less about the world than a today’s 10 years old child. "

Strange that people who can't understand very deep personifications in the Bible are so cocky to think that they are the wise ones when in fact they truly believe their ancestors were apes.

The Bible is like a script of a big "movie". Idiots like you are still watching the movie, while I already know how the "movie" will end.

When the missiles start coming, please be reminded that there will be no escape for unbelievers. In other words, don't try to run coz there is no way out.

Nobody messes with the Bible coz it is the word of God.

It's a pity that you guys are being trapped by your own stupidity.

*** "We all have to acknowledge this is only one step," Obama said in the Oval Office, where he signed a memorandum extending some benefits, such as visitation or dependent-care rights, to the same-sex partners of gay federal employees.

Employees' domestic partners could be added to a government insurance program that pays for long-term conditions, such as Alzheimer's disease. ***

Maybe not billions but certainly going to that direction.

Moderate7 wrote: "Going overboard by calling him [Obama] the messiah casts him as the anti-christ with predictable results."

But its the same people who say he was the democrat's massiah who now call him the antichrist. Circular don't you think?

JUSTACOMMENT wrote "You may say that saving this (car) company was a bad policy"

Everybody wants help but Ford Motors knew that the kind of help was defective so it withdrew. Ford is better off today compared with GM and Crysler for making that wise decision.

Fixing things is good but if the one fixing is dumb, it's much better if they lay off their hands.

Im afraid the same thing might happen with health care. Fixing health care is good but the problem is WHO gets to fix it? The same dumb people?

spidermean2 wrote: "Strange that people who can't understand very deep personifications in the Bible are so cocky to think that they are the wise ones when in fact they truly believe their ancestors were apes."

So by your logic if one does not accept the bible then they are cocky? Is it possible do you think for a normal person to read the bible and not accept it as a document of actual events? By defining people who do not accept the bible as cocky you are dismissing their views. That is called bias.

spidermean2 wrote: "The Bible is like a script of a big "movie". Idiots like you are still watching the movie, while I already know how the "movie" will end."

Of course you do. You read the book!

spidermean2 wrote: "When the missiles start coming, please be reminded that there will be no escape for unbelievers."

Because the missles will only kill unbelievers? If God wanted to kill unbelievers, why would he need man's missles? He's done it before using both fire and water, to destroy man. Why missles spidey? Why does God need man's missles?

spidermean2 wrote: "In other words, don't try to run coz there is no way out."

Good advice. Of course there will be no need for the believers to run either.

spidermean2 wrote: "Nobody messes with the Bible coz it is the word of God."

Considering the goons who threaten people who dismiss the bible I can see why no one would mess with it.

spidermean2 wrote: "It's a pity that you guys are being trapped by your own stupidity."

Well, its either live in reality or live in your made up fantasy. Which one gives real results spidey? Have all of your prayers been answered lately? If not, what does that tell you about how special God thinks you are?

Spidermean2 spoke: "Everybody wants help but Ford Motors knew that the kind of help was defective so it withdrew."

Spidey, Ford was lucky and that is all. They borrowed money just before Wall Street went south and had enough to cover themselves for many months. GM was not as lucky. Neither saw what was coming, but Ford just happened to complete their deal before the banks clammed up and stopped lending money. GM could not borrow the cash it needed and so took money from the government. Had Ford not been so lucky it too would have had to borrow money from the government. Try reading something other than the bible to learn about the real world.

You can read about it here spidey:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/09/business/09ford.html

Fate1, you're a crazy lady. I don't want to debate with you. If you think that growing hair is easy that even a brainless earth thru evolution and natural selection has done it, why are there still bald people walking around?

The Bible has said that atheists are fools. Even science confirms it.

No need for God to destroy idiots coz God knows they will self-destruct. God's work is to save lives but the idiots simply don't want to listen.

"His own iniquities shall take the wicked himself, and he shall be held with the cords of his sins." Proverbs 5:22

Fate1,

If Ford had borrowed money from Obama, they too could have declared bankrupcy also. Haven't you thought of that.

One reason I know Obama is dumb is when they ordered almost all GM's dealership to close shop. What kind of science is that?

How would they repair a car? Ship it back to where they manufactured it?

Talk to your hand, idiot lady.

Spidermean2 rationalized: "If Ford had borrowed money from Obama, they too could have declared bankrupcy also. Haven't you thought of that."

No because bankrupcy is not something a company would want to do unless there is no option. You make it sound as though GM wanted bankrupcy. Do you have a clue as to what that does to a company? Ford did not need to go through bankrupcy because it borrowed money before the Bush economic collapse. Why would a company that can avoid bankrupcy want to go through it? Have you any thinking power at all?

Spidermean2 rationalized: "One reason I know Obama is dumb is when they ordered almost all GM's dealership to close shop. What kind of science is that? How would they repair a car? Ship it back to where they manufactured it?"

Who "ordered" GM dealerships to close? Obama? Oh my, what a strange closed isolated delusional fantasy you live in. Go outside. Its hot but the heat might wake you up to the reality of daily life. Obama "ordered" nothing of the kind. It was GM management saving money. No one is blaming Obama except you.

Spidermean2 rationalized: "Talk to your hand, idiot lady."

I'm sure Jesus is proud of you spidey.

I thought Obama (and the very-biased Washington Post) had been whining for our first Black President to be treated the same as all our other presidents. Obama just joined a long line of famous men who, according to some, might have been the anti-Christ. See how far White America has evolved? The only difference this time is that a major newspaper thought it was news-worthy. Uh. . . your bias is showing, again.

"Of course, Obama is NOT the anti-Christ. Students of the Bible know this truth. It is also nothing to toss about lightly. However, Obama is a person who puts his Christian faith on the line each and every day. He went to Egypt and presented Christ to a region controlled by Muslim influence. He did this in the way that Jesus taught in Matthew 28:19-20.
It takes a very strong Christian to take the daily dishing out of garbage that Obama must endure each and every day. To his credit, he basically tries to ignore the slanders and the libels. He operates on the belief that each person has some kernel of good within. He tries his best to tap into this well of good.
As a Christian, I get very frustrated with the callous disregard for truth of the "birthers." I know that God has said that vengeance is His. Surely, there are no Christians involved in the disruption of the townhall meetings. My Jesus taught about personal responsibillity and appropriate behavior. He absoltely resisted to speak evil about the Roman government. His biggest obstacle to his message was the religious establishment of His time. Not much has changed.
Posted by: EarlC | August 9, 2009 1:37 PM
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no supporter of abortion can be called a Christian...

Two points:

1. Georgetown1 says:

However, Obama is causing tax money to be used to pay for abortions. I realize we must "give unto Caesar what is Caesar's (that is access to abortion because the secular public wants it) but he is using my tax money to commit what I consider an immoral act. Let the Hollywood stars that support abortion pay for them.

Please go to Politifact, FActCheck, and Snopes. The health care bill will NOT pay for abortions. Rep Lois Capps has formally amended the bill to specifically prevent this bill from enabling public funds to pay for abortions--and "death panels" and "euthanasia" etc.

2. Spidermean has been around the site for years (he's up to 2: spidermean, spidermean1 are also him). He has been noted for postings that are a little off topic...

Pr Chris

Dwight:

no supporter of abortion can be called a Christian...

In a perfect world, no, since none would be necessary. However, since the Republicans held the House, the Senate and the Presidency (and even, one can argue, the Supreme Court) for much of this past decade, why wasn't abortion ended? I guess none of those leaders are Christians, either? Like President Bush, etc....

In a democracy like we live in (and since you dislike socialism, what's the alternative?), government authority is the art of the possible. Not the perfection one might desire.

In the meantime, let's find ways to reduce as many as abortions as possible. If you don't support it, as I would like to be able to fully end it, then put your time and money into the alternatives: Like helping the poor, for poverty is a huge motivator, and the abuse of women, for abused women forced through rape into pregnancy are also likely to abort if they can...

When you've got all that done, then we'll talk about it.

PR Chris

Right wing loonies come out of the wood work whenever there is a U.S. President from the Democratic Party.

Hopefully the neo-cons, the birthers, etc., will work themselves up to a coronary, because not only is my guy a Democrat, he's also a Chicago politician, a smart lawyer, plays a little hoop, drinks Bud Lite and guess what else? He's part African!

I just gotta laugh. It must hurt to be in the Republican Party. The majority of American voters told you they'd rather take their chances with a black liberal from Al Capone's hometown than with a respectable, yet kinda old Vietnam war hero and his completely unqualified moose-hunting, turkey-pardoning, secessionist/Alaska First running mate. That's gotta sting so much.

Only God knows what's in store, my fellow Christians, so lighten up.

Let me toss this one out –– some Americans like me think Obama haters, because they refuse to attack the President's ideas and policies, are giving comfort to our enemies. The birthers are particularly good at this. They sound no better than some a**h07e Iranians.

As a moderate democrat with some moderately conservative principles, I too thought the comparisons between GW Bush and Hitler were silly. While Hitler was most certainly a megalomaniac he was also, for a time, a brilliant and gifted statesman. Something Mr. Bush was most certainly not.

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I saw this article in another site, so I'll post just about the same comment. The whole Video and the idea behind it, to me is starting to look like a case project of Sarita Palin and Rush Limbo (not real characters).

Now seriously. The people involved in this have not the minimal sense of what the Scriptures and Jesus himself said about the and all, Antichrists. In the Americanized Hollywood styled gospel of soo many. The Antichrist is some sort of super evil, James Bond movie character. However reality is that anyone, anybody, everyone and everybody who hates his/her fellow human being is also and Antichrist. Anyone and everyone who teaches and promotes Lies and Slanders about anybody is also an Antichrist.

Anyone and everyone that does not Love God and his Neighbor as commanded by God and by JesusChrist; God's Son, is also an Antichrist. The spirit of the Antichrist was and is in the World almost from the begining, since Eden and has taken hundreds of forms and shapes and has affected everyone at one time or another, including christians. A little old lady who teaches children in the neighborhood that there is no God is an Antichrist. So is a talk show host who speaks and promotes slander. A religious leader who places himself above his fellow men is also an Antichrist. Every teaching or dogma that goes against what God and Jesuschrist taught is an antichrist.

So to make it short, my point is that everyone involved in making and promoting this deception and distraction is also an Antichrist. Any and all confusion, distractions from the Truth is also from the antichrist and nobody is safe from being affected by these and others.

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Mhoust??? Is this still another probability wave generated by some lonely, "full mooner"???

Once again, back to the beginning:

The word "anti-Christ" first appeared in Revelation.

What some very famous people have concluded about said book: see Wikipedia for the cited references.

"Nineteenth-century agnostic Robert G. Ingersoll branded Revelation "the insanest of all books".[57] Thomas Jefferson omitted it along with most of the Biblical canon, from the Jefferson Bible, and wrote that at one time, he considered it as "merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams." [58]

Martin Luther changed his perspective on Revelation over time. In the preface to the German translation of Revelation that he composed in 1522, he said that he did not consider the book prophetic or apostolic, since "Christ is neither taught nor known in it." But in the completely new preface that he composed in 1530, he reversed his position and concluded that Christ was central to the book. He concluded, As we see here in this book, that through and beyond all plagues, beasts, and evil angels, Christ is nonetheless with the saints and wins the final victory."[59]

John Calvin "had grave doubts about its value."

Interesting how many here claim that Obama is the anti-Christ.

Odd then that the same observers can't recognize the Christ.

I am a Rush Limbaugh Fan and have been for years and lessoned to him with my short stent with the US Army. Go Army

I do not watch tv an have not for years. I read books when I can. I personaly think Obama is not the anit-christ as in the terms any one would use. He is close but no ticket. He does not uphold Israel Does that count? he like my self is a child of God. I do not care for his ways at all historyically his leadership is very close to very heart of what Hitler Did with his soicalistic and nationalisms and police states as for his police states the facts of Not upholding the right to arms and forcing taxes with out true war declaired on us soil. I my self love to study history as with the leaderships of the world. I can find a great many things that show me that Mr. Obama is following bad leadership him self for No man is any better then the one he is getting his advice from.

If he is for the Law!

For Starters Understanding the word in history around Law was not the condemnation most make it out to be the words historyical place and use means Instruction of Compassion.

I do not am will never uphold any so called leader of such instruction of to be but yet would uphold abortion as a matter of covenace.

The words of the law if we look at the Bible or Torah was to be given by those that understood compassion is the door way to truth and wisdom.

A good leader will not ask anything of any one he and or she is not willing and or able to do them self!

Semper fi
God Country Family Defense
Faith with out a Just action is a Worthless Faith

Term Limit's, Voluntary Taxes,Freedom of speech, and Gun Rights Keeps Government Smaller and More Honest

Windsong: Wow. For someone who doesn't watch TV and reads "books when I can," you apparently know nothing of English grammar and/or spelling. (Limbaugh would be so proud of you.)

I know what I'm saying here is rather off-topic, but I'm begging EVERYONE who cares to make their point (regardless of your political leanings): proof-read your posts! You are wasting my time and making my eyes sting! If you have neither the time nor the basic skills to write an intelligible sentence, you're only supplying ammo to your critics and making fools of your allies.

"...this wretched little film is probably not worth criticizing."

I would have left it at that.