In divorce, who gets kids to church?
By David Waters
While Jesus Christ was being excused from jury duty in Alabama for asking too many questions, an appellate court in Indiana was upholding a trial court's ruling that a divorced dad didn't have to take his kids to church, contrary to the wishes of the divorced mom.
God save both honorable courts.
The Indiana case involves Anna Finnerty and Gerald Clutter, who have had joint legal custody of their two children since their 2004 divorce. The kids spend alternate weekends with their dad, who doesn't take them to church. The mom wants the kids to go to mass with her every Sunday evening, but the dad wants the kids to have Sunday evening dinners with him and his extended family on his weekends.
In a divorce, who gets to take the kids to church? What if one parent doesn't want them to go?
The mom took the dispute to court. She noted that the kids went to church (with both parents) every week, and that now as custodial parent she has "the sole right to direct the religious upbringing of her children." The court disagreed, saying the couple share legal custody of the kids and the father has an equal right to decide how he will spend his time with them.
A child's religious instruction can be a difficult matter, even for happily married couples. It's not uncommon for parents to have different levels of religious belief and commitment, or for mothers to take more responsibility for religious instruction. But this case raises several interesting questions that even Alabama juror Jesus Christ might ask:
Does religious instruction really require weekly attendance at a religious service? Can't time with family be just as soul-nourishing as time with clergy? Why not invite mom to dinner and dad to mass?
David Waters
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Posted by: lepidopteryx | December 3, 2009 5:24 PM
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"Does religious instruction really require weekly attendance at a religious service?
By David Waters"
As it applies to children going through divorce, it's the most preferable option. It provides for that rock in their life. It maintains the perspective of faith as universal, even their parents, and enriching to the entire soul, in all their activities.
Posted by: cprferry | December 3, 2009 6:46 PM
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And exactly why are these kids going to Mass on Sunday? To receive a diet wafer and watered-down wine/grape juice?? To read/sing glorias, creeds and prayers that are significantly flawed theologically and historically??
Some of what is being taught at some large Catholic universities' graduate theology classes:
Communion is not the physical body/blood of a simple, preacher man aka Jesus who died 2000 years ago.
"Transubstantiation is still a Catholic doctrine, but it never meant a
literal transforming of bread and wine into the physical body and blood of
Jesus. "Substance" in medieval philosophy referred to the essence of a thing
and was not reducible to material appearance. Transubstantiation is a way of
expressing belief that Jesus is SOME HOW present in the consecrated
bread and wine in a special way. Some theologians believe that
"transignificantion" would be a better term today than transubstantiation."
The kids and parents would do themselves a favor by reading the books noted at http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html especially those books written by Professors Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, all members of the On Faith panel of NT exegetes.
Posted by: ccnl1 | December 4, 2009 1:27 AM
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Was there really a juror named Jesus Christ?
About thirty years ago a Vermont probate judge, over the objection of the Coca-Cola company, allowed a Vermonter to change his name to "Coke Is It" (the then favored slogan of the Coke company).
If summoned for jury duty, would he have been rejected as being too gassy?
Posted by: norriehoyt | December 4, 2009 11:21 AM
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Whether a child grows up to become a compassionate, ethical adult and productive member of society has nothing to do with whether that child attends church. You don't need God to be good.
Posted by: Michael991 | December 4, 2009 12:01 PM
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"You don't need god to be good"
Most excellent!!!!
Posted by: ccnl1 | December 4, 2009 1:18 PM
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ccnl1
You wrote, ""You don't need god to be good"
Most excellent!!!!"
If God had not made this universe and all that is in it, we would not be having this or any other discussion.
Take care, be ready.
Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.
Posted by: ThomasBaum | December 4, 2009 3:02 PM
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Thomas, "The Hallucinator", professed Moses of the NT" and professed "Seer/Talker to Three Gods", the universe is expanding. Sometime in the future it will shrink, then expand again in a creation/destruction cycle i.e. there is no god of creation other than the one in your imagination and hallucinations.
Posted by: ccnl1 | December 4, 2009 4:12 PM
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ccnl1
You wrote, "there is no god of creation other than the one in your imagination and hallucinations."
Time will tell and don't worry, God is not the impotent, useless, non-entity that some of your mentors seem to think God to be.
God is a Being of Pure Love and God has had His Plan since before creation and God's Plan is unfolding even as I sit here and type and will continue to unfold until God's Plan comes to Fruition.
See you and the rest of humanity in the Kingdom, the new heavens and the new earth.
Take care, be ready.
Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.
Posted by: ThomasBaum | December 5, 2009 9:35 AM
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Remember all these nutty posts of yours CCNL, when you pass over the veil over to the other side.
My fear is only then will you realize that you were wrong as you are bowing your knee to Christ.
Return to him quickly, and you will find joy beyond comparison.
Posted by: Counterww | December 5, 2009 11:46 AM
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"the universe is expanding. Sometime in the future it will shrink, then expand again in a creation/destruction cycle"
Actually, I believe the general consensus among scientists is that there will be constant expansion, and the universe will undergo a "big cool down" instead of a "big crunch".
Cheers,
Dave
Posted by: DaveL2 | December 5, 2009 12:00 PM
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So we will all be frozen in Time unless there is a big Thaw and "Baumianity" arises yet again!!!
Posted by: ccnl1 | December 5, 2009 12:09 PM
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As it applies to children going through divorce, it's the most preferable option. It provides for that rock in their life. It maintains the perspective of faith as universal, even their parents, and enriching to the entire soul, in all their activities.
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As long as the child knows that both parents love him/her, church isn't necessary as a "rock." As it happened, my daughter enjoyed her RE classes, which is why her dad was willing to bring her if the class was doing an activity she wanted to participate in. If it wasn't a class that particularly interested her, I didn't mind if she didn't want to go. The important thing on her weekends with her dad was that they got to spend time doing what THEY wanted to do.
Then again, I didn't MAKE her go to church with me on days when she didn't want to, either. A kid who is forced to go to religious services isn't going to get anything out of them.
Posted by: lepidopteryx | December 5, 2009 3:02 PM
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LEPIDOPTERYX
I disagree.
My kids were "forced" to go church and they got alot out of it.
IT grounds them in CHrist, which is a rock to anyone that will choose HIM.
Posted by: Counterww | December 5, 2009 3:13 PM
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Counter,
As a child, I was forced to go to church with my parents and I hated every minute of it. It did not "ground" me in anything, including Christ, and as soon as I was old enough that they could no longer force me to go, I quit going.
It was over a decade later that I wandered into a UU church's jazz service out of curiosity, and discovered my church home.
That's one of the reasons I never forced my daughter to go.
Posted by: lepidopteryx | December 5, 2009 4:21 PM
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It seems in the United States as a whole, more often the divorced mother. Which is not to say that divorced fathers never show an interest in church or that divorced mothers always will.
Posted by: cmarshdtihqcom | December 7, 2009 5:05 PM
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CCLN1 said
"You don't need god to be good"
Most excellent!!!!
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You can't be good enough/perfect, so it has been suggested that you need God to be forgiven.
Good enough for me.
Posted by: cmarshdtihqcom | December 7, 2009 5:07 PM
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When my daughter was growing up, she went to church with me on the weekends she was with me. On the weekends with her dad,they did what they wanted to do, which sometimes included church, sometimes not. The world did not come to an end because she missed church services while hanging with her dad. Sporadic church attendance did not prevent her becoming a compassionate, ethical adult and productive member of society.