NCAA championship: Methodists vs. Christians

Somethings to ponder while ten guys play a game of basketball and thereby getting a lot of execise (unfortuantely the rest of us will be watching and putting a lot of plaque in our arteries:)

Luther, Calvin, Joe Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley, Roger Williams, the Great “Babs” et al, founders of Christian-based religions or combination religions also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of angelic visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immaculate conceptions).

Current crises:

Adulterous preachers, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals and atonement theology, all male hierarchies and strange banking and funding.

ccnl aka yeal9,

Angels are real. They don't look like the ones you see in the movie. They are mostly poor and rugged looking.

You might have seen one and talked with one unknowingly.

"Don't forget to show hospitality to strangers, for some who have done this have entertained angels without realizing it!" (Heb. 13:2)

Errr... you do know that Methodists ARE Christians, right? Christianity is the religion, and Methodism (note that there are different "flavors" of Methodists--United Methodists, Free Methodists, African Methodist Episcopalians) is a denomination of Christianity, just like Catholicism, Lutheranism, Presbyterianism, Congregationalism, etc.

Get real. Anything to provoke controversey. For your information sports excludes religious beliefs. The players and coaches could care less what religion you profess. Unbelieveable!

Please! Why does everything im your paper have to be one against the other, even stooping so low as to pit one religion against another in a basketball game. I wonder if you asked the players or the fans if this is a contest between Metodists and Christains, what their answer would be. I also wonder what religious beliefs the player and coaches have. Get real. Perhaps. since you apparently never competed in sports, for the record, one's religion is irrelavant.

I recall a definition of a Methodist I heard some years ago: "A Methodist is a Baptist who can read."

Interestingly, as you mention, the Duke Methodists, who became the Blue Devils often played the Wake Forest Baptists, now the Wake Forest Demon Deacons.
Enjoyed the little history lessons regarding Butler and Duke. Thanks.

Nah, spidermean2, angels aren't real. Humanoids with wings? How could they have evolved?

Somethings to ponder while ten guys play a game of basketball and thereby getting a lot of exercise (unfortunately the rest of us will be watching and putting a lot of plaque in our arteries:)

Luther, Calvin, Joe Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley, Roger Williams, the Great “Babs” et al, founders of Christian-based religions or combination religions also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of angelic/"fairied"/tinkerbell visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immaculate conceptions).

Current crises:

Adulterous preachers, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals and atonement theology, all male hierarchies and strange banking and funding.

I am conflicted:

Baptized Dutch Reformed, headed my MYF group at a United Methodist Church, married a Jewish girl.

At a Methodist retreat I attended in Connecticut in the late 50's, I remember a Minister from Texas saying that a Catholic would never become President. I guess he was almost right

Is it out of line to mention that Methodists are also christians? Or maybe that evangelicals and fundamentalists are not?

How about the idea that the current version of American "conservatives" don't conserve anything?

i lost respect for this thread when the wal-mart shoppers started condescending to people about Angels.

the bible is the world's first comic book. and you guys are the geeks who won't shut up about it.

That which is "pre-destined" and cannot be avoided.

I sucks knowing who's going to win before the tournmenent even starts. The only consolation is to hear , "you were right".

Angels have no wings. If ever you found such a description in the bible, it was not referring to an angel but it's a figure of speech describing an entity which is a big part of our world affairs now.

Th bible is not for amateurs or idiots like CCNL aka yael9.

Unfortunately, we have gotten off-track here. I'm quite sure that Mr. Waters knows that Methodists are Christians; the title of his article is just misleading.

In the 19th c., when the Disciples of Christ formed as a movement, they wanted to be known simply as "Christians," as opposed to having a denominational label.

So, when Mr. waters uses the title "Methodists vs. Christians," he is using the second title as the Disciples themselves used it when the movement formed. A better title, perhaps, would be "Methodists vs. Disciples." That would clear up the ambiguity that has offended several of you.

One of the further dimensions that Mr. Waters does not point out is that Butler was formed originally in 1855 to educate Disciples ministers in a school committed to abolitionism. Duke, on the other hand, was affiliated with the Methodist Episcopal Church, South, after the denomination split in 1845. The southern stream of Methodism, of course, had committed itself to a pro-slavery position.

No one is claiming too much for religion here; Mr. Waters simply pointed out an interesting dimension of this rivalry, and others have commented.