Merchants of menace

Should our lawmakers act to ban Sharia law from our shores, or would a moratorium on Islamophobia be more useful?

Why are these the only two options given in this question? Picture a similar question: would you rather die by cholera or dysentery? How about an option: I'd rather not die.

We aren't going to put up with sharia law in this country any more than we put up with stoning people who commit adultery or any of the other fatal remedies offered by the christian bible for christian misbehavior.

And just how does this moratorium on islamophobia work, are you going to pass a law making it illegal?

Gingrich is a total fool making a living being a celebrity for the kind of morons who listen to him. It's not against the law to be a moron.

With the liberals around us, nothing that is stupid is impossible. Who would have thought that these idiots will legalize gay marriage or smoking pot?

I think Massachusetts or California will be the first state to implement Sharia Law.

Gingrich cited a New Jersey judge's 2009 ruling that a Muslim man had not sexually assaulted his wife because his behavior was "consistent with his practices." The decision was later overturned.

In America, we use laws consistent with our Constitution. Would we let anyone use a defense that he assaulted a homosexual based on Leviticus?

"In these paranoid times, it's a seller's market."

Hate sells! Big Time! Who is to argue with the facts mentioned in this article. Americans beaten down financially by crippling wars on Muslims costing trillions in dollars of their tax money into the coffers of Oil companies and Military Industrial Complex find it cathartic to take out their fury on the tiny 2% defenseless populace of muslims in thier midst. Its funny how they can be tricked again and again by these corporate giants selling hate to wage wars.

religion sucks it's the cause of all the chaos around the world -- all these "believers" fighting each other over hallowed ground... get rid of religion and most of all the problems will disappear overnight... religion breeds the stupidity gene. you have it all across the u.s. instead of people going to school, they focus more on church. it's no wonder the economy took a dump on the u.s.

Actually, I agree that Sharia should be banned from America because it is a purely religous-based law that is clearly oppressive to women and to all other faiths. You might call it hate. I know enough about Islam to call my view utterly realistic instead.

Just a reminder, Islam readily imposes the death penalty for homosexuality...even more so than Christianity. So much for trying to claim moral equivalency or even superiority of Islam over Christianity in a free society like America.

http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm

Christianity imposes the death penalty for as many different things as Islam. This is why we don't have a christian government, any more than we'll allow a muslim government.

Funny how none of you christians actually read your bible. The muslims are living their evil, you're pretending it doesn't exist.

Just a reminder, Islam readily imposes the death penalty for homosexuality...even more so than Christianity. So much for trying to claim moral equivalency or even superiority of Islam over Christianity in a free society like America.

"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Tell us again, in small words, how christianity is nicer to homosexuals than islam.

Really, how is it that so many of you christians don't have any idea just how much evil is in your bible, yet you know so much of the evil in the koran? Are you reading the Koran more than your bible?

You might call it hate. I know enough about Islam to call my view utterly realistic instead.

---honorswar26

get rid of religion and most of all the problems will disappear overnight...

---FranknErnest

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honorswar,

That reasoning sounds more like the one we heard from the Pastor whose picture accompanies this article. Are you one of his 15 or so disciples?

FranknErnest,
Athiests are nothing more than 2.5% of the world's population. 97% people believe in atleast some form of religion. You better learn to live with that. Btw......most of the biggest killers and evil people ever were Athiests/Non-believers/Secular.

It might be news to you people but the US Constitution wasn't just created out of thin air. The headspring of US constitution as well as the Constitution of every single country in the so called Christiandom i.e. Europe IS the Bible. Most Laws that you live by were ordained from God/Allah/YHWE through Prophets & Messengers at various intervals in history. Those are undeniable truths. Who else is the progenitor of these laws that we live by? Before there was God's word, the only Laws were the Laws of the Jungle. You kill one man, and it was ok to kill your wife, daughter or son in revenge. Those would be the kind of laws we would be living by if there wasn't the word of God.

You kill one man, and it was ok to kill your wife, daughter or son in revenge. Those would be the kind of laws we would be living by if there wasn't the word of God.

Mass murder in the bible. Another stupid believer who doesn't read his own holy book

Yasseryousufi writes,

Most Laws that you live by were ordained from God/Allah/YHWE through Prophets & Messengers at various intervals in history. Those are undeniable truths. Who else is the progenitor of these laws that we live by? Before there was God's word, the only Laws were the Laws of the Jungle. You kill one man, and it was ok to kill your wife, daughter or son in revenge. Those would be the kind of laws we would be living by if there wasn't the word of God.

While they're at it, why don't the ban the criminal negligence of teaching "abstinence" instead of responsible sex education?

Unbelievers can't understand the Bible because they are idiots.

While those with false religion wanted to kill the adulterous woman, Jesus forgave her and said "Go and sin no more".

If not for true Christianity, you atheists could have long been burned already just like centuries ago when the Bibles were banned by Catholicism.

You idiots should thank true Christians who follow the lead of Jesus. He didn't hurt the adulterous woman but just reminded her to repent.

Unbelievers can't understand the Bible because they are idiots.

While those with false religion wanted to kill the adulterous woman, Jesus forgave her and said "Go and sin no more".

If not for true Christianity, you atheists could have long been burned already just like centuries ago when the Bibles were banned by Catholicism.

You idiots should thank true Christians who follow the lead of Jesus. He didn't hurt the adulterous woman but just reminded her to repent.

A case of pot calling kettle balck.

Hate sells! Big Time! Who is to argue with the facts mentioned in this article. Americans beaten down financially by crippling wars on Muslims costing trillions in dollars of their tax money into the coffers of Oil companies and Military Industrial Complex find it cathartic to take out their fury on the tiny 2% defenseless populace of muslims in thier midst. Its funny how they can be tricked again and again by these corporate giants selling hate to wage wars

Mr. Yousufi where is your eloquence against all the hudood laws in your dear Pakistan. BTW not a single person of the so called 2% of the populace has been a victim of any state orchestrated vendetta. They are not defenseless the are all armed with constitutional protections, unlike in the dar-ul-islam countries where apostasy is punishable with death.

Oklahoma know the minds of the liberal idiots. They know that just like in Britain, Sharia law will be adopted by the liberals. In Britain, there are already sharia courts.

wow, one time a sinner is sent home instead of stoned by the raging believers. Surely this means all those evil things in your bible aren't true. In fact it was satan who inserted those evil things just to confuse the atheists.

Spidermean, you are truly nuts.

I like this article and it says it much better than I ever could.

RE: Freedom From Religion vs. Freedom of Religion Myth - You Have Freedom Of, not Freedom From Religion? By Austin Cline

"This claim is common, but it rests on a misunderstanding of what real freedom of religion entails. The most important thing to remember is that freedom of religion, if it is going to apply to everyone, also requires freedom from religion. Why is that? You do not truly have the freedom to practice your religious beliefs if you are also required to adhere to any of the religious beliefs or rules of other religions.

As an obvious example, could we really say that Jews and Muslims would have freedom of religion if they were required to show same respect to images of Jesus that Christians have? Would Christians and Muslims really have freedom of their religion if they were required to wear yarmulkes? Would Christians and Jews have freedom of religion if they were required to adhere to Muslim dietary restrictions?

Simply pointing out that people have the freedom to pray however they wish is not enough. Forcing people to accept some particular idea or adhere to behavioral standards from someone else’s religion means that their religious freedom is being infringed upon.

Freedom from religion does not mean, as some mistakenly seem to claim, being free from seeing religion in society. No one has the right not to see churches, religious expression, and other examples of religious belief in our nation — and those who advocate freedom of religion do not claim otherwise.

What freedom from religion does mean, however, is the freedom from the rules and dogmas of other people’s religious beliefs so that we can be free to follow the demands of our own conscience, whether they take a religious form or not. Thus, we have both freedom of religion and freedom from religion because they are two sides of the same coin.

Interestingly, the misunderstandings here can be found in many other myths, misconceptions and misunderstandings as well. Many people don’t realize — or don’t care — that real religious liberty must exist for everyone, not just for themselves. It’s no coincidence that people who object to the principle of “freedom from religion” are adherents of religious groups whose doctrines or standards would be the ones enforced by the state.

Since they already voluntarily accept these doctrines or standards, they don’t expect to experience any conflicts with state enforcement or endorsement. What we have, then, is a failure of moral imagination: these people are unable to really imagine themselves in the shoes of religious minorities who don’t voluntarily accept these doctrines or standards and, hence, experience an infringement on their religious liberties through state enforcement or endorsement.

That, or they simply don’t care what religious minorities experience because they think they have the One True Religion."

eezmamata,

Jesus said "my sheep know my voice".

The Bible is not for everybody. It is not meant to be read by idiots because it will only confuse them.

Catholicism was confused about the Bible that is why they banned it for centuries.

Catholicism is not among the sheep of Jesus.

Alas, Mencken was right. One can get rich pandering to the lack of intelligence on the part of the average American voter. Or one can gain power, which is truly what Gingrich is about.

Look. I do not believe for an instant that someone as educated and truly intelligent as Gingrich is actually believes the dung he is peddling. But, like the old time con men and bunko artists who drove their noisy, clattering wagons across the deserts and plains from town to town selling magic elixirs and performing bizarre rituals and dances to bring rain to a drought parched farming community--for a price, always for a price--the new flimflammers are politicians, televangelists and talk show hucksters selling conspiracies, and simple, easy bumper sticker platitudes that will solve every American problem from debt to despair and malaise, an abundance of which there is these testy days.

Here is something for you my religious friends:

The US Constitution and bill of rights overrides your idiotic religious beliefs. I repeat, idiotic.

And people of reason will make sure that it continues like that. No need to ban sharia law as this law will never be more important than the current SECULAR law.

Again, I would like to remind the liberal idiots including the author of this article that Britain already has Sharia courts in their land.

spidermean2 -

Your obsession with Sharia courts in Britain ignores that they are still subject to British law in the same way all other arbitration procedures are. You are trying to make a mountain out of a dust bunny.

How many other Christian groups will you dismiss as 'not Christian'? By the time you are done telling us what is wrong with every other Christian, I am sure you will determine that you are the only true Christian on Earth.

With the liberals around us, nothing that is stupid is impossible. Who would have thought that these idiots will legalize gay marriage or smoking pot?

I think Massachusetts or California will be the first state to implement Sharia Law.

POSTED BY: SPIDERMEAN2 | NOVEMBER 8, 2010 3:26 AM
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spiderman2, try reading something outside of your narrowly biased world-view; you might learn something. As it is, your ignorance continues to be frightening.

The great theologian H L Mencken once said "Good people do good things and bad people do bad things, but for good people to do bad things it takes Religion." It's never been more true.

Remember that spidermean is spewing his dribble about what should and should not happen in American from his location in the Philippines.

Tell us, oh great prophet from the far east, how is your country doing handling Islam? Not so good.

He also has a great deal of difficulty dealing with the fact that he's only of average intelligence here in the west, and though he may be a freaking einstein where he's from nobody here has any respect for him at all.
He pretends to be an engineer, because he thinks engineers are smart. He even pretends to be a christian.

Without fear mongering Republicans can't focus fire the wrath of the frothy-mouthed Right. Fear sells and motivates. They've honed that message for a generation now.

"We should have a federal law that says under no circumstances in any jurisdiction in the United States will Sharia [law] be used in any court to apply to any judgment made about American law," Gingrich said at a conservative Christian rally in Washington several weeks ago.

Mr. Gingrich: Perhaps you should check your copy of the Constitution of the United States--it is a document with which one such as you should have at least a passing acquaintance. One of its more notable passages reads thus:

"Congress shall make no law regarding the establishment of Religion..."

Newt, Newt, Newt: what part of that text (which you claim to hold so sacred) do you not understand??? In their wisdom, the Founding Fathers set it up that way because they knew from experience, the consequences of having any one religion dominate the public square. The other side of that coin is that, just as no one religion should dominate, neither should any faith be subject to legislative persecution.

All in all, this is just another wedge-issue sideshow in the wingnut circus: distracting Americans from the real problems the nation faces. No surprise, since the wingnuts have always excelled at that sort of fearmongering.

Climate change, economic collapse, and manner in which corporate greed always seems to trump the Public Interest: These are the things we Americans should be alarmed about; not the implementation of Sharia Law in the USA (which, by the way, is impossible).

I don't think we will ever see a case of "Sharia" in the United States, but I should love to hear the Republican States Attorney for Virginia argue the landmark case of "Bogus versus Hokum" before the US Supreme Court. It should be as monumental a TV show as "Climate Science versus Crawford."

Stoning adulteresses is the best part of Sharia! If we can't stone adulteresses, what kind of world are we living in?

Secular,

You would be wise to keep your "expert" comments on religous texts to your own Hindu books. You're such an embarrassment every time you open your mouth on Quran or Bible. There is no such "Law" to give your daughter to mobs invading your house. Sheesh.......how does one argues with crack pots like you. You take an event in history totally out of context. Have you read the Quranic version of that incident? I mean.......how does one deal with stubborn idiots? If you're hell bent on living in darkness.......who can help you?

Maybe Gingrich is worried about Sharia because he married an adultress. Shouldn't someone ask him about this next time he shows up on tv?

You would be wise to keep your "expert" comments on religous texts to your own Hindu books. You're such an embarrassment every time you open your mouth on Quran or Bible. There is no such "Law" to give your daughter to mobs invading your house. Sheesh.......how does one argues with crack pots like you. You take an event in history totally out of context. Have you read the Quranic version of that incident? I mean.......how does one deal with stubborn idiots? If you're hell bent on living in darkness.......who can help you?

Yasser, Yasser, you have such a poor grasp of Irony, satire, and sarcasm. That does not surprise me at all given your coordinates. You want me to elaborate on the different nuances between the Koranic version and the OT version? You got to be kidding me. How many times do I have to tell you that I don't care to distinguish between horse manure and pig manure? It is just manure. But I do distinguish between a horse on my plate to a pig on my plate. The former is a bit tough, but the latter is generally juicy and tender - the one I have.

Silly fool, the point is off all the people your dog (sorry dyslexia is getting better of me) saves a pond scum like Lot from his wrath, who offers up his virgin daughters to a mob. Not only that the pond scum gets so inebriated that he allows himself to be laid by those very same virgin daughters of his. This pond scum needed to be saved? What is carry home message that the dog likes the scum bag like Lot over sodamads. So if you do, what Lot did, you will be liked by the dog. BTW it is not an incident in history, it is absolute fiction and a very poor read at that for fiction. The quality of fiction does not change when you read the update in your Koran either - it is still manure.

Setting aside homophobia, here is a sample from John, whom I haven't cited in awhile. Point? People who believe this drek and conceive of God as the ultimate child abuser will believe anything. Consider, too, the number of NT references to blood--must've been written by Bram Stoker.

John

# As an example to parents everywhere and to save the world (from himself), God had his own son tortured and killed. 3:16

# People are damned or saved depending only on what they believe. 3:18, 36

# The "wrath of God" is on all unbelievers. 3:36

# Jesus believes people are crippled by God as a punishment for sin. He tells a crippled man, after healing him, to "sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee." 5:14

# Those who do not believe in Jesus will be cast into a fire to be burned. 15:6

# Jesus says we must eat his flesh and drink his blood if we want to have eternal life. This idea was just too gross for "many of his disciples" and "walked no more with him." 6:53-66

Frankly, David Waters, I'm less concerned with Islamophobia than with antisemitism, given the recent attempt to blow up two Chicago synagogues, said attempt issuing from Muslims abroad.

Oh, and David? Can we expect to hear from you on the numerous Muslim antisemitic web sites? The Christian antisemitic web sites?

Get a grip, David. Jews aren't going to wait to be "in" or PC. Grow up.

Secular,

Loosing your marbles again old man 'eh? You seem to be an expert on different different variants of manures and sewers. I'll give you that much. Stick to things that are your metier. Religious texts and its interpretations certainly aren't.

"or would a moratorium on Islamophobia be more useful?"

The mere fact that David Waters states as if "Islamophobia" is real casts doubt on David's analytical abilities.

Todays news:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/11/07/uk.archbishop.iraq/index.html
Church leader calls for Christians to leave Iraq after brutal attack

"I say clearly and now -- the Christian people should leave their beloved land of our ancestors and escape the premeditated ethnic cleansing. This is better than having them killed one by one," said Dawood, according to prepared remarks he sent to CNN.

Is it Islamophobia to point out what Islam does to the non-muslims around the world. If David Waters thinks that this is merely "Iraq" and so no big deal, it might be worth his time to look at other muslim countries.

Is there ANY ANY muslim country where religious minorities are treated with even half way decently?

Islam hates non-muslims. It is not Islamophobic to state that fact. As long as Kafirs refuse to face that fact, they will be unable to deal with Muslims who live here or with Muslims who live in muslim countries.

It does not help to tell lies to the Muslims and pretend that Islam is just like any other religion. It is not. The "religious" component of Islam is a minor component. It is an expansionist and supremacist Ideology including a legal system that is very hateful to those who do not submit to it.

David, look at the millions that Islam suppresses and subjugates across the world and then see if it even slightly bothers your conscience that you are willing to carry water for that evil by legitimizing the psychological ploy of "Islamophobia".

David,

Try this: A.N.T.I.S.E.M.I.T.S.M. is racism.

Say that to yourself twenty times daily for a month.

Then add this: Antisemitism is B.A.D.

After two months, report back.

Islam is the evil force. Stop with that "every Muslim?" retort: if your "every Muslim", or, supposedly "good" Muslim, where to rise up & punish their bad guys then ther would be no Muslim problem. They sit on the side lines, or, worse, support that scum. Islam is the evil force. Those who deny this elemenatl FACT are insane, or, supportive of Islamo terrorists. John Stewart, who's guest has severally hoped that the author, Salman Rushdie, die because of his writing, is a supporter of Islamo terrorism. PERIOD.

The Christians should, indeed, leave Iran, following the recent slaughter of 90 in a church. The B'hai had better be helped SOON, before Nejad gets uglier.

Where, however, should they go? The Christians are being advised to go to IRaq.
Out of the fire into the fire.

Having ethnically cleansed the Jews of the ME, some nations are looking at other minorities a bit more hungrily. Good time to leave.

Iran. How beautiful it could have been. Imperialists destroyed it, and won't make it better. What they should do is open the door for persecuted minorities--while said minorities are still living, that is.

Yasser, can you ever learn to present evidence, instead of ad homenim? There is no economic value, in learning about the scripture. World would be a lot better off if overnight the world is inflicted by a massive amnesia of the vile texts called scriptures. We won't have people like you mouthing off anti-gay ad hominems. Though it won't resolve all disputes and misery but will reduce all that by at least 80%.

Sigh. Sharia law differs from country to country, and is a mixture of tribal law, ethnic customs and religious beliefs.

Unlike western law, the Sharia law is not written down into books defining the law, describing the evidence needed for conviction, and the range of punishments. It varies greatly from Morocco to Afghanistan to Saudi Arabia to Somalia to Indonesia.

A great deal of these ideas are repugnent to differing nations within Islam. Before it could be accepted in the US, it would have to be agreed to by the various Moslem countries, which, is impossible. The differeing bodies of Islam, the Wahabi, Shia and Sunni, can agree on very little. They will never be able to reconcile their laws with each other, any more than Christian laws can be reconciled into one set of laws between the US, France, south Africa, Poland, Russia and Peru.

That Sharia law is monolithic set of law covering all Moslems is a myth. Each tribe and nation has their own law, which is different from every other tribe and nation.

Want to start a fight among Moslems? Ask them if this is the basis of their faith, their law, and their traditions; and why or why not:

There is but one God;
Mohammed is his prophet;
And Ali is his ruler.

All of the sane world should tell each and one Dar-ul-islam countries that should adopt secular laws right away or face total diplomatic ostracization. This is not to say that there would be ban on trade by the interested private parties. No government to government dealings. That will create a lot of hulla balluh. But will stop after a few months. Then after several years each of them will come to their senses, and join the 21st century.

"Oklahoma judges are far more likely to consider rulings from the Muscogee (Creek) Nation District Court and Supreme Court, or even the Code of Hammurabi, but neither of those legal systems are likely to incite irrational fear on the campaign trail."

Creek and Babylonian terrorists don't kill 10,000 people per year, every year, in the name of Creek Law or the Code of Hammurabi.

Your statement is ridiculous and irrelevant to the issue at hand.

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The article asks which people are cashing in on the fear of Islam?
Answers:
(1) Airport scanner manufacturers.
(2) Airport security guards.
(3) Breeders of bomb sniffing dogs.
(4) Shoemakers who make loafers that slip on and off easily at airport security.
(5) People who sell liquids of any kind inside the airport security area.
(6) Cellular service providers and manufacturers of extra batteries for computers and phones so people can be productive while spending their lives waiting at the Airport.
(7) Security guards at Mosques throughout the Middle East - the only place its acceptable behavior to blow up a Mosque.

All examples of people cashing in on the irrational fear of poor peaceful Islam.

"Merchants of Menace"?

Evokes visions of capitalists manufacturing and capitalising on fear. Perhaps the term carpetbaggers would be more apt for its historical post-Civil war parallels in some ways.

One never really look at such links, networks, infrastructures before until one realise some folks do protest too much about global Muslim conspiracies to dominate the world, the fuss about the funding for the Cordoba Centre/Park 51, and endownments of chairs at western universities etc.

In this day and age of the Internet, so easy for one to look up on groups, organisations and centres - who, what, why; to look at the names of board members, office bearers of those and their donors too - following the names, the money, the objective. And how the same names crops up, either as stand alone, or in formal and informal linkages in the Islamo-fearing industry.

So, some Americans terrorising fellow Americans with fear and loathting and profiting from it too, but not as much as Blackwater from conflicts and wars. And in the spirit of free speech and free enterprise too, which really costs in material and non-material ways which needs no elaboration here.

One would have to be terminally obtuse not to grasp that a state that legalizes same sex marriages would be the last to impose Sharia law. Maybe the label would be different, but the states in the center of the nation, which is the heartland of fundamental Christianity, would be most likely to impose a code similar to Sharia law than those of the liberal coasts where most of the nation’s hedonistic secular humanists reside; many a fundamentalist salivates over the thought of subjecting the unrighteous to a good stoning. The irony is that the fundamental religionists direct most of their invective to those who primarily differ from them in language and dress, cultural maters, not morality. Why is this? The conflict is mainly over membership; globally, Islam is a religion that appeals to the same segment of population as fundamental Christianity. The same motivation is behind the fundamentalist Christians expression of revulsion toward Mormonism. Fellow believers are the threat to the income stream, not atheists and their ilk as these folks are already lost to conversion. Follow the money.

"And people of reason will make sure that it continues like that. No need to ban sharia law as this law will never be more important than the current SECULAR law.

POSTED BY: GERSHWIN2009"

You are counting on people of reason? Apparently you are unaware the Salafists have no intention of putting this to a vote nor will they have any town-hall meetings to present their case.

Paranoia age is always parallel to liberal/secular age.

typical ^unicorn^ reason age evolving mentality.

A completely naive article. We have this type of thinking currently running our government, which is why they are being voted out.

Adherents of Islam are making more money spreading violence and fear than Jihadwatch ever could. Just ask Hamas and Hezbollah, they are rolling in it.

There is no such thing as moderate Islam, though there are moderate Muslims.

Posted by: spidermean2:
"With the liberals around us, nothing that is stupid is impossible. Who would have thought that these idiots will legalize gay marriage or smoking pot?"
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Hey Spidereman2. Please don't try to ram your primitive religious taboos down the throats of us more enlightened individuals!

Dear Farnaz,

Are you still on Mosaddaq(Imperailists overthrown him so and so.60-year old Tale)

China created An Economic Giant within 25-30 years,but,Middle Eastern People still try to find an Excuse.
-Colonization of Countries(another 100-year old Palaver)
-Imperialists(who are they ? Persian Empire was an Imperialist and Islam is a Conquest)

Cult of Adam(first man) was muslim destroyed your country,not Imperialists(whoever they are)
Who taught Civilization to Indenosian Cannibals ? Civilization Teachers,not Imperailists.

Conclusion: If Submission Followers can not come to Twentyfirst Century and if they want to live in Seventh Century under Order of Bedouin,sooooo much countries being destroyed.

Well, this is a no-brainer. Absolutely Sharia Laws should be banned.
Sharia Laws are inhumane. Topic closed.

As for "Unbelievers can't understand the Bible because they are idiots" poster, sorry but idiots generally are believers because they are gullable and easily led. Nonbelievers actually understand the bible much more than many believers; hence they are non-believers.

doesn't the seperation of church and state covers it all?

either way someone here said that our laws are based on the bible and that's fine but it all has changed over the years and people seem to have forgotten. in addition the bible also says to follow man's law as you would god's law

Funny that you call those educating the public about Islam merchants of menace. The real menace is Islam, not the people and organizations pointing it out. Just ask the Europeans.

Well put, Shewholives.

Personally I don't see anything wrong with the Oklahoma ballot issue. It's not very likely that someone would try something so strange, but you see wierd stuff happening every day.

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I think you are confused as to what is the real menace.

I think you are confused as to what is the real menace.

Most people responding to this article know as much about Sharia law as they do about US law:one or two things. Those, like Ginrich understand that when one system of laws fail, another will rise to replace it. Remember in the early days of the financial crisis, some economist were calling for elements of Sharia law in the banking system, because the Sharia bankers survived the US meltdown? Remember also, they didn't tell us we were in a recession until we were 3 or 4 years in, so are they going to tell us when the US Code is obsolete?

The threat of Muslims imposing Sharia law on this nation is a fantasy. The fact that fundamentalist Christians impose or threaten to impose their moral code on the nation is a reality. Who backs legislation to overthrow Roe v. Wade or to define marriage as solely being between a man and a woman? Who wants to make it required for an atheist to pledge that their nation is under God? It isn’t Muslims that are at the gate clamoring to destroy the edifice of reason and justice. In their heart of hearts, don’t many fundamentalist admire the Taliban for destroying the ancient statues of the Buddha?

First:Phobia is a disease and its diagnosis should be made only by a licensed practitioner. Any of you using the word "......phobia" and not having a proper state license is breaking the law.
Second: past and recent earthquakes and tsunamies killing innocent babies and children are caused by the slow-moving tectonic plates under our feet and making it absurd to believe in a just supreme being,creator - among other things - of our planet, yes the planet with the tectonic plates.

I'm sad to say that I heard Christian minister say, from the pulpit, "I have no doubt that it's ptrt of Gods plan to let Muslims take over America so they can root out all the homosexuals and filth in Hollywood." Fear? Sounds more like wishful thinking on his part.

“Tuesday, 70 percent of voters agreed to amend the state constitution to bar state courts from considering Sharia law in their rulings.”

The immediate and stiff reaction of the leaders of Islamic organizations in this country to the above should in and by itself give the observer a hint of what those people are planning for us. If you want more direct evidence read what their clerics and leaders preach to the faithful. Below is a sample:
“The process of settlement [of Islam in the United States] is a "Civilization-Jihadist" process with all the word means. The Ikhwan must understand that all their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and "sabotaging" their miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God's religion is made victorious over all religions. Without this level of understanding, we are not up to this challenge and have not prepared ourselves for Jihad yet. It is a Muslim's destiny to perform Jihad and work wherever he is and wherever he lands until the final hour comes, and there is no escape from that destiny except for those who choose to slack.” http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/opinion/columnists/rdreher/stories/DN-dreher_09edi.ART.State.Edition1.4235f88.html

While the ACLU fights to keep prayer out of High School Football games and other optional/after-hours activites, they support using taxpayer money to install foot baths for muslims.

BHO states that the US is not a Christian nation, but then states later that "we may be a muslim nation."

it's ok for the left to hate America, I just wish they would admit it and go on from there.

In Their Own Words
"We must implement Islam as a totality, in which Allah controls every place, the home, the classroom, the science lab, the halls of Congress."
Amir Abdul Malik Ali, Oakland, CA Imam
"Muslims cannot accept the legitimacy of the existing American order, since it is against the orders and ordainments of Allah."
Imam Zaid Shakir, former Muslim Chaplain at Yale University
"In time, this so-called democracy will crumble, and there will be nothing. and the only thing left will be Islam."
Siraj Wahhaj, Brooklyn, NY Imam
"I wouldn't want to create the impression that I wouldn't like the government of the United States to be Islamic sometime in the future..."
Ibrahim Hooper, CAIR
"Ultimately, we [Muslims] can never be full citizens of this country...because there is no way we can be fully committed to the institutions and ideologies of this country"
Ihsan Bagby, CAIR
"If you don't give us justice. If you don't give us equality. If you don't give us our share of America. If you don't stay out of our way and leave us alone, we're gonna burn America down."
Abdul Alim Musa, Washington, D.C. Imam
"Now, all our imams, our public speakers, should be concentrating on militarizing the Muslim public...Only carrying arms will do this task."
Muhammad Al-Asi, Former Imam at the Washington, D.C. Islamic Center

It's making policy, at least in Oklahoma. Last Tuesday, 70 percent of voters agreed to amend the state constitution to bar state courts from considering Sharia law in their rulings.
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Wow what a useful way to spend our money and time. I suggest we also put a nation wide ballot up forbidding any law from being based on anything in The Catcher in Rye or Harry Potter. No sense taking chances with any subversive literature.

For so called conservatives reading this, that was sarcasm. I know how literally you take things in writing for G-d's word.

It doesn't matter that some might make money from Islamophobia. What matters is that Islam is a deadly threat to civilization which must be brought low.

It doesn't matter that some might make money from Islamophobia. What matters is that Islam is a deadly threat to civilization which must be brought low.

There's a billion muslims you fool, what are you going to do, pray them away? Maybe you can get them all together in one place and throw stones at them.

Remember, they're religious people, you know, insane.

Maybe if we invest some real effort in understanding the psychopathology of religion in general, we'd better know how to handle them.
But then, you christians wouldn't like very much what we'd find would you?

2 contented paranoia and polarity in America,

paranoia 1
original sin

paranoia 2
original organic psycho/social Darwinism.

paranoia 1 gained 60 seats at the house of jurisprudence and legalization ready with neo context.

my Question is ,who bred who ?paranoia 1 bred paranoia 2 ?or paranoia 2 bred paranoia 1?

the Chinese and Indian wisdom bailed monetary paranoid America,
who will bail mental and organic paranoid America?

god bless 21cen merica sooooooooooooo good.

"Gingrich cited a New Jersey judge's 2009 ruling that a Muslim man had not sexually assaulted his wife because his behavior was "consistent with his practices." The decision was later overturned.

WRONG.

The judge was not ruling on guilt or innocence on a charge of sexual assault.

He was ruling on the woman's request for a restraining order again her now-ex husband. The question was, whether he was likely to assault her again.

As they were now divorced, even the man would recognize that his interpretation of Islamic law/national customs didn't not require his ex-wife to submit to him nor give him the right to have sexual relations with her. Thus, the judge judged that a restraining order was unnecessary.

This was not an application of sharia law; it was an inquiry into the psychology of the defendant.

Sharia also prohibits murder, prostitution, and stealing. Does Oklahoma's ban on Sharia mean that those things are legal in Oklahoma now?

David Ignatius and the Washington Post and this Tennessean guy are cashing in on fear of "anti-Muslim" groups. First of all, these groups are not "anti-Muslim. That is a lie, and David Ignatius and the washington Post and this Bob Smietana are liars. Secondly, the message these groups are "selling", whatever Ignatius claims it is, they are selling it to everyone who will listen, not just to ultra-conservative Christian audiences. So that is lie number two. And anyway, how would Ignatius and the Tennessee chap know who in the audiences was "ultra-conservative"?
And so finally, what these lies point to is not "anti-Muslimism" rampant in America, but anti-American, antiChristianism rampant at the Washington Post and the Nashville Tennessean.

Dricks asks:
“Sharia also prohibits murder, prostitution, and stealing. Does Oklahoma's ban on Sharia mean that those things are legal in Oklahoma now?”

1. Sharia prohibits murder “except for a good reason”. “The good reason” is where the rub is. This is defined by Sharia as follows; infidel, apostate, raped woman, a woman marrying against her parents’ wishes, insulting the prophet or the Quran, etc.
2. Prostitution: This also has as many definitions as the persons applying the Sharia law. Polygamy and keeping an indefinite number of concubines is “legal”. This along the so-called marriages of misyar, pleasure, urfi which are no more than a prostitution license for an agreed length of time that ranges from an hour to a month.
3. Stealing; is punishable by severing the hands of the culprit to make sure he could never be able make a living, and applies only to the petty thieves who have no one to shield them. The big thieves are running loose and are getting richer as the rest of the populations are sinking deeper in poverty.

Dricks,

Sharia(Order of Bedouin/Desert Rules) propels Murder,Prostitution and Stealing.

-The Cult of Hate murders.It says *without any reason/cause*,but,keep in mind,there is always reason to murder someone.
-Prostitution.Muta marriage and Khulla marriage are prostitution.Besides,Sex-slave is not ethic.
-Steal.Shariah is Conquest.Conquest is Big Steal,you are taking someones'territories by force.

Shariah debases Women.
Shariah rejects Democracy and Dissidents.
Shariah says Alexander The Great was muslim.
Shariah considers Human Rights as Sin.
Shariah certifies to murder Infidels.
Shariah is Holy War.
Shariah is Idleness.
Shariah hates half glass of wine(despite there are Wine Rivers in Paradise) and woman's hair.
Shariah is Lie.
Shariah is Wrong.
Shariah is Contradiction.

It is always interesting to see the Wash Post write something like this. On the one hand someone speaking against Shariah law is "selling fear" on the other bullying homosexuals who ultimately take their own lives is wrong.

If you want to see real bullying, then let Shariah law get a foothold here in America. Honor Killings of teen girls because they are too American, killing of homosexuals, treating women like it is 700A.D.

At some point, being hypocritical will catch up with you.

To spidermean2 and others who disparage those who do not believe in the Bible: You cannot reach others by disparaging them and calling them "idiots." Attacking the character of others makes one's own character open to question. Did not Jesus say: "but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire" (Matthew 5:22)?

CoastalBill, you logic escapes me. There is no logical way in which shariah can "gain a foothold" here. Shariah misapplied in a fundamentalist way is bullying. Frigtening people over the imaginary specter of shariah taking over America is a kind of fear-mongering that provokes irrational hatred of all Muslims. And bullying of anyone in school is also still wrong, for whatever reason. Why do you insist on invidious comparisons?

Correction is needed for Muslims and others. They only belong to God when they do what He says.

There is one God. Some call Him Allah, others call Him Jehovah, Yahweh, Elohim, ElShaddai, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob. (Allah means "the God") The primary message of the Qur'an is to follow the whole Bible (600+AD). Jesus said to live by every word of God.

In every holy book God condemns abortion and homosexuality, debt, seeking riches and honors, insurance and covetousness because they rob us and destroy civilization and a heart of love and commitment to each other for the safety and future of society.
(Qur'an, Ahmadiyya Numbers: 5.68, 69; 42.14-16; judge by Torah and Gospel: 5.43-51)
(Matthew 4:4, Deuteronomy 4:2, 8:3, Leviticus 23, Deuteronomy 28-30)

Islam and all religions are supposed to fight to keep ungodliness out of their nations. That should be done by voting, and living according to God’s word when the government says otherwise. God will fight for us His way, with signs and wonders that governments cannot reject. Remember Daniel and the lions’ den and the three Hebrew children in the fiery furnace (Book of Daniel in Bible). Great destructions are promised to nations that embrace ungodliness.

God has solutions to world problems we created by ignoring His wisdom.

If I speak my mind against the ideology known as Islam I am now islamophobic. I don't think homosexuality is right so I'm homophobic. Do those who use these words no see that they sound ridiculous. Is it their fear of hearing anything contrary to their world view that makes them so? Are they audiophobic. Do they have an irrational insurmountable fear of hearing? A phobia is defined as just that, an irrational and insurmountable fear.

Well let me tell you I stand 6'2" and weigh 320 Lbs and can whip my weight in wildcats with a stick. I have no fear at all of homosexuals or of muslims. I do have knowledge. I can tell you that Islam went to war against Christianity and Judaism in 690 AD and by 711 AD it had crossed the pillars of Hercules and invaded Iberia the future Spain and before the various crusades were over they had threatened even the Vatican. Islam has made a vow to water and house their horses in St Peters Basillica. Christianity has made no similar threat toward the dome of the rock or toward Mecca.

On the morning of Sept 11 1682 Jan Sobieski of Poland charged from a hill to the north of Vienna and descended upon the Islamic forces there and sent them into a rout. They even left their booty that they had gathered while marching to Vienna behind. This was the last Islamic crusade. Until Sept. 11 2001. Golly do you think there might be a reason why they chose Sept 11? We westerners don't have that much continuity but easterners do. That may be why the attempt is being made to place a mosque named Cordoba House at the site of the Sept. 11 attack. You see the first mosque in the conquered Iberian penninsula was in a Catholic Cathedral in Cordoba. Now whose Phobic. Let's see fear of the truth oh yeah Verophobia.
Ipsa Conteret.

spidermean2

You wrote, "Catholicism was confused about the Bible that is why they banned it for centuries."

Which centuries were they?

Take care, be ready.

Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

On september 11, 1886, Connie Mack makes his major league debut as the Senators edge Philadelphia, 4-3.

On september 22, 1928, Yankee shortstop Mark Koenig’s routine catch of A’s pinch hitter Ty Cobb’s pop fly behind third base will mark the last time the ‘Georgia Peach’ swings a bat in the big leagues. The aging 41-year old, who is the all-time hits leader, will announce his retirement six days later ending a 24 year Hall of Fame career.

Surely these events taking place are a sure sign and true evidence that one or more gods are taking interest in the doings of humans, intervening in our affairs ... a hidden message surely!

3 million Christians killed by the Ottomans during WWI www.aina.org/reports/togotadww1.pdf

Eezmamata,
Your comment discredits itself however, the more that someone appeals to evilbible.com the more they discredit themselves as evilbible.com is saturated with fallacies of every sort and has been discredited: here is some of the evidence with a true and honest skeptic will take the time to consider.
http://www.truefreethinker.com/evilbiblecom

MARIANOAPOLOGETICUS this site quotes from your bible. If you have arguments with what is quoted, that's your problem. No, it's everybody's problem because so many insane people take it as the truth.

Your primitive god is a brutal, ruthless, spiteful and hateful monster, outshining all human despots ever existing.

If you don't like what's in the bible, why are you whining about people who bring it to the light of day? You people are far more evil than even you can know.

eezmamata

You wrote, "You people are far more evil than even you can know."

"You people", interesting way of putting it, have you ever considered that all of the "you people" happen to be individual persons and that these "you people" run the gamut of, good and evil, intentions and actions, just as all of the rest of "you people" that some throw into the "you people" categories.

Take care, be ready.

Sincerely, Thomas Paul Moses Baum.

Hi

Please read http://www.islamicsolutions.com/if-it-is-extreme-it-is-not-islam/ these comments are arguable.