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Upon leaving China I should like to wish all those responsible for making PostGlobal a success, Happy Holidays.

Please accept, with my best wishes (and no political overtones), “The Song of the Four Seasons”, taken from the Album “Capriccio for Chinese Flute” (I could only find it in a “Welcome to Armenia” **. Says the author: “This video I coupled with Chinese Tai Chi music, as my deep appreciation to my Chinese friends… Music is borderless... if it touches the soul.”

** http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzS1-3Hxlng

There is NO debate among serious Scientists who work in the field.

CO2 is to Global Warming what Cigarettes are to Lung Cancer.

An enormous number of people are going to die because of Global Warming.

The longer we wait to take strong action, the more people will die and the worse the quality of life will be for those who survive.

If we wait too long, we can kiss humanity goodbye.

Let's hope the public wakes up before its too late.

Don't say we didn't warn you. We've been telling you about this for years, just like doctors have about smoking cigarettes.

The difference in this case is that the fate of the entire world is at stake.

That's not alarmist. It's scientific fact.

I agree with David. Global warming is real, but the "catastrophic anthropogenic" part of it has been hyped by folks with political agendas. The inconvenient truth in Al Gore's movie was something he didn't point out in the central chart he used. If you examine the temperature and CO2 concentrations in the chart the temperature changes LEAD the CO2 concentration changes by between 800 and 1000 years. So, the idea that elevated CO2 levels are responsible for global warming is actually a reversal of the cause and effect relationship shown in the data.

Something else has been causing global warming on a cyclic basis for millennia. We might be contributing fractionally to warming, but we aren't causing it and attempting to "reverse global warming" is like spitting into a hurricane. The earth has been through these changes before and it will be just fine. We should concentrate on accommodating these changes rather than on the fool's errand of trying to alter them.

If you REALLY want to get scared about climate change, imagine what a few miles of ice over much of North America will be like when the inevitable next ice age arrives.

First of all I must congratulate the editors to put the best question of the year

Although Kyoto protocol was never a perefect solution neither it was claimed to be , but still i think that instead of new experiments we should follow Kyoto and make necessary ammendments when Kyoto-2 signing becomes due.

Presently I am running 40 MW power plant on furnace and gas engines and working on two projects of renewable energies one 50 MW wind power and oter 200 MW hydro power . Therefoe I am watching with extreme interest for last year the developments in global warnming issues.

Now for this issue there is a very clear divide between the different nations or what we call it club of nations.

before discussing the issue in detail we can summarise different voices emerging on this issue.

1. US is not interested to address the issue and it thinks that any move to slow down its economy will be counter productive.

2. EU is the only group which is serious for the issues and taking concrete steps for carbon emmissions control and developing new technologies.

4. China and India consider this as a conspiracy to slow down their economy

5. Emerging economies like Pakistan struggling to move ahead and are in no positon to think for modernising their existing facility. But are happy to make some money by CDM mechanism.

6. There is a very strong thinking in thirld world countries that whole issue of global warnming is made to tame up the emerging economies and keeping EU countries dominance in technology.

7. The future prospects emerging are bleak for EU countries. Their economy may slow down and they already start loosing the edge on asian giants like china. EU therefore now exploring rather creating a new market of renewable energies.

With so much different interests this is possible that a club of rich countries can impose a treaty on the world which is tailored suited for their requirements and interests. Bt a fair and impartial solution can not be explored.

I think this is the first real issue where I see the US and the EU are so apart. With so much difference of opinions to negotiate a treaty is just impossible, specially the alternates like a fair formulae or carbon emissions/person where the EU will be on lsoer end and will never allow to go ahead with such projects.

At the same time EU will not allow to maintain status-quo or business as usual because in that case again it will be losing.

Global warming is a real threat to planet earth. But the nations trying to cash it either by trading CDM or selling renwable technologies. Therefore a very noble cause is being compromised.

My selection of 2nd point that is making Kyoto stronger is because of the reason that it is already agreed by most of the nations and only US has to be pursuaded to join .

one more point I wish to make here. Many reasons are given for global warming. Is the war and explosives also contribute global warming

ScienceDaily (Dec. 17, 2007) — Record-breaking amounts of ice-free water have deprived the Arctic of more of its natural "sunscreen" than ever in recent summers. The effect is so pronounced that sea surface temperatures rose to 5 C above average in one place this year, a high never before observed.

ScienceDaily (Dec. 17, 2007) — Record-breaking amounts of ice-free water have deprived the Arctic of more of its natural "sunscreen" than ever in recent summers. The effect is so pronounced that sea surface temperatures rose to 5 C above average in one place this year, a high never before observed.

So George, what are you actually doing about Climate Change, other than cruising the streets to show off your 403hp Cadillac SUV?

Calling the rest of the world 'little, filthy, third world cesspools' only epitomises the image of the 'ugly American'; quite happy to intervene in the affairs of another country in order to appropriate its wealth, subjugate it’s people and then spit it out once everything of value has been extracted.

We in Australia don't need your greenbacks; we are trying to drag ourselves up by our own bootstraps, but without the backing of the world’s largest military-industrial machine.

What is making it hard for us is that the pollution generated by your Escalade is contributing to the poisoning of our atmosphere, which is reducing our rainfall and forcing us to bulldoze our crops (see Frank’s comment).

But that’s alright, George! Like the Europeans, we are putting measures in place that will help see us through this crisis over the long term.

When your southern and mid-western states get devastated weekly from category 5 hurricanes and twisters, your west coast burns to ashes from forest fires and Alaska becomes one vast swamp, we in Australia will at least be self-sufficient harvesting our drought-resistant produce.

Unfortunately George, you will be stuck in your Cadillac unable to drive anywhere, unable to even turn your air-conditioning on.

I think there is a relatively simple solution, but one that will not be overly popular in the West. The concept is based on equality and fairness to all now on the planet.

Annual global CO2/methane/NO2 limits are determined that would be required to stabilize atmospheric levels. These numbers are divide by world population to get a per capita allowance. A country's total would be the amount times its population.

Countries that use more than their allowance would be required to "pay" compensation to those that use less. (If the global total is within limits the compensation is relatively minor. If the total is above the annual limit, compensation is increasingly severe.)

Compensation payments would have to used on clean energy programs, education (primary to university), energy saving technology, or replacement of polluting technology.

Obviously countries such as the US and Canada would get hit initially (as they are large per capita polluters), but so they should be. It is about time that we in the west take responsibility for our past excesses and start to lead, and lead HARD.

It is not with contributions like that of Miriam Leitao (“Emissions Don’t Equal Development”) that we are ever going to make any progress on the environment and on global warming. To instil guilt into the victims is not only despicable behaviour; it is not even a viable option.

It is true the unsubstantiated “danger” of one’s economy slowing down is constantly given as an excuse, by overdeveloped nations, to further overdevelop. Yet nobody among developing nations says “emissions equal development”; nobody “uses development as an excuse to do nothing”. After all, developing nations know all too well the dire consequences they have to put up with, now that overdeveloped countries have polluted this planet to such a catastrophic degree, for decades if not centuries, while caring only to dominate the world economy and to control world markets… at their expense.

It would seem that some (not much, just some) fairness towards developing countries are in order here, however painful it may be for the West to only attempt being a little fair. (I know, who cares about fairness, that old British…?)

Briefly (there would be much more to say), four points.

1. Even to save this planet, emerging countries of 1,300 million people (with cities the size of large countries) such as China, cannot be expected to give an “ecological” orientation to their economy within a short period of time. How could they, if developed and overdeveloped countries of 350 million (or less) themselves, with cities the size of Chinese villages, claim they cannot, without harming their own economies? This much at least could be admitted candidly, from the outset.

2. It is simply not true that developing countries such as China have “used the excuse of development to do nothing”. On the contrary, China, for instance, has taken extensive concrete measures to begin using alternate sources of energy: solar (for buildings), electric (for vehicles), magnetic (for trains: Shanghai’s MAG DEV), etc. In addition, China has been eager to legislate and to enforce standards, so as to reduce toxic emissions and pollution generally. There is much irony, whenever the overdeveloped criticize China: after all, Western firms too have been blacklisted as “giant” polluters, in China, and China is, after all, to a very large extent, producing on behalf, and for the West.

3. Facing squarely the current environmental challenge to humanity as a whole, China has insisted in Bali, like developing nations, on cooperation with overdeveloped nations toward developing, and/or transferring, and/or sharing clean technology… as well as on cost sharing, of course. This is not the attitude typical of someone bent on doing nothing, or on looking for an excuse for doing nothing. Resistance to this reasonable proposal has come, as always, from the overdeveloped. They, therefore, bear now the full responsibility for things remaining at a standstill.

4. Finally, China was praised, in Bali, for its green initiatives, its outstanding cooperation with the international community, and for the most positive role it played during those talks. In comparison, the performance of the United States was pathetic, as was that of meaningless Canada, trailing behind the non-leader at the party.

So essentially, as was to be expected and as was conclusively demonstrated in Bali, the problem lies exclusively with the West, with the overdeveloped, more particularly the United States.. Leitao’s is only one more manoeuvre to have us look away from that painful reality, a terrible waste of time on non-issues.

Whenever humanity’s survival is at stake, better be praised by the international community than be invited, like the US was (and in no uncertain terms!), to LEAVE, were they to persist in not joining in, and in refusing to cooperate with the community of nations.

To the Climate Change Deniers: Listen up!

For those of us living in the temperate zones of Australia, climate change became evident about a decade ago, and the situation gets more dire as each year passes. Ten years ago, our city's water supply was at 95% capacity, now it's down to 12% (it was as low as 8% by the end of last Summer in February). We're talking 11 years of drought, not only in our region but across vast swathes of the country accustomed to reasonable rainfall. In the Murray-Darling River Basin, WATER ALLOCATIONS for IRRIGATION are now ZERO. Entire vineyards and orchards are being bulldozed.

Climate change is very real and is already wreaking havoc upon us.

It may take longer for significant effects such as we are enduring to take effect in parts of Europe and North America, but they will, and by then it will be too late to do anything about it.

I just can't believe so many of you are in denial.

My Cadillac Escalade - in it usable life - creates only a tiny fraction of the greenhouse gas that AlGore's plane produces in one flight.

But I am not a superstar that has a divine right to pollute as does AlGore.

At least thats what he tells me.

Here is a great idea: Would the saviours of the world such as Gore simply stay home? Stop promoting these world conferences which do little more that promote conspicuous consumption of non replaceable fuels and exude tons upon tons of greenhouse gases.

Make your own life green, Al, then you can preach to us about how you have downsized your mansions and parked your jets.

Ever hear of teleconferencing?

There has never been a bigger hypocrite than Gore on this issue. He is getting rich, polluting his as* off and laughing all the way to the bank.

Global warming is a problem, but it is never going to be solved by hucksters like Gore.

Its not going to be solved by little, filthy, third world cesspools criticizing America.

If America is such a problem - don't take our money. Fix your own countries. Bring yourselves up by your bootstraps the way America did.

Then you can stand on the world stage.

Please everyone, find "The Great Global Warming Swindle" on the internet and watch it. Enough with this elitist nonsense!!

The world is currently looking for LEADERSHIP from the US, not the responses from the Bush Government to date, nor the self-gratifying comments published here.

The US needs to divest itself of its insatiable craving for oil to fill its Humvees and Cadillacs and as the world's largest polluter, get on with addressing Climate Change.

Here is a little scientific exercise to all of those climate change sceptics:

Recipe: Global Warming on a micro scale

Ingredients:

• One large fish tank or terrarium, sealed to prevent its 'atmosphere' from disappearing into outer space;
• Mineral-rich soil or substrate;
• A bio-diverse range of plants and animals;
• Nitrogen-Oxygen mix for plants and animals to breathe;
• Clean water (salt or fresh).

Methodology:

• Chop down about half of the plants, burning most of them off in the confined space;
• Progressively overstock the tank with fish (or terrestrial creatures for a terrarium), so they can increasingly fill its atmosphere with their exhaled carbon dioxide;
• Mine the substrate or soil for its oil and minerals, to manufacture goods that will further pollute the micro-environment;
• Ensure that there are NO controls in place to prevent the by-products of this process polluting the remaining air and water;
• Finally for good measure, create lots of confusion by misinforming the inhabitants that their microcosm is dying due natural processes.

Get the picture?

"Climate Change", "Global Warming" has been going on since the begining of time. Enough with the dire threats all of the time. Why do you think some animals are extinct and others have evolved? Man had nothing to do with the ice age! There is nothing man can do to change the situation or correct it. "Global Warming" is just a big scam, everything "green" cost so much more than regular products, from $10.00 florescent light bulbs, (regular ones are 4 for $3.00's), to hybrid cars, that have a very small increase in gas mileage (and where I live, no where to buy fuel to run them). We are wasting too much time on Climate Change and Global Warming. Lets deal with "real" issues like world wide hunger and poverty, the jobless rate.....

I'm just old enough to remember when the media was proposing ideas to prevent the inevitable ice age; like dropping nuclear bombs on Antarctica to melt the ice. How ridiculous does that sound now? Probably as stupid as big mirrors shot into space reflecting the sunlight. Four times in the last hundred years has the "chicken little" media reversed themselves on this "decided science". The science is ever evolving, and when scientist like Richard Lidzen of MIT says that climate change is not anthropogenic then I believe everyone is obligated to listen.

The quickest path to dealing with global warming would be for the administration to abdicate ASAP; to go back to whence they came.

REBUILT AND RECONNECT AMERICA VIA THE TRAINS.

Bring back the trains to every city in America; cut down commuting and single driver cars. Rebuilding the trains would also provide a mode of transportation for the elderly, the handicapped and the children.

America had trains to every town in 1960 and they were killed by the gas industry.

I can't wait until the first national press celebrity reports that man made climate change is a sham ...and they knew it all along. It may take a while but it will come just as it has in the past.
David

The US should agree to do whatever China does to prevent global warming. The earth has exceeded its carrying capacity and a massive die-off is inevitable unless we are to be harvested as a protein source by carnivorous space aliens.

In the meantime I'm looking forward to selling my Fairfax house after it becomes oceanfront property. But, I will still hedge and prepare for the coming Ice Age.