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Threading the Taiwan Military Needle

Should the United States be selling weapons to Taiwan now that Taiwan and China are getting closer? This is a nettlesome question that the Bush administration doesn’t want to answer, at least until the president returns from the Olympic Games in China in August.

The Post’s Glenn Kessler reported recently that Bush administration officials were delaying a long-promised $11 billion deal which include 30 Apache helicopters, 60 Black Hawk helicopters, eight diesel-electric submarines and four Patriot air defense missile batteries. The administration has also refused, Kessler reported, to accept a "letter of request" from Taiwan for 66 F-16 C/D fighters – which would cost an additional $5 billion.

The reason that bigwigs like Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley have put the brakes on the sale is this: With the election of Ma Ying-jeou as Taiwan’s president, Taiwan and China have their first real chance in eight years to improve ties. The United States is worried that a big arms sales package is going to throw a spanner in the works and give China an excuse to sulk – something the mandarins in Beijing so love to do.

Ma is in a sensitive spot, too. He was elected with 58 percent of the vote. In the United States, that’s huge. But he needs to worry about the 41 percent who didn’t vote for him. There are already voices among that crowd that Ma is “selling out” Taiwan, and that he plans to help China achieve its dream of re-unification with Taiwan. Ma needs to make it known that he still wants U.S. arms because that’s the clearest sign to the Taiwanese people that while he wants better ties with China, he also understands that he needs to keep Taiwan strong. In other words, trust everybody, but cut the cards.

Ma must also comfort the American side by appearing eager to buy the weapons. The Pentagon needs to feel comfortable that Taiwan is going to do everything it can to prepare its defenses. Under the previous president, Chen Shui-bian, the Pentagon was confronted with the worst of both worlds: a Taiwanese president determined to irritate Beijing who at the same time did nothing to improve Taiwan’s military. Everyone hopes that Ma will do exactly the opposite: improve ties with China while building Taiwan’s military. Peace with strength.

Threading this needle is going to be difficult for both the Americans and the Taiwanese. Who knows what set of factors – the dollar amount of the arms package, the type of equipment, F-16s or no F-16s – might cause the Chinese to man their battle stations and ready for another wearisome propaganda war. But if Taipei and Washington can thread that needle, then there’s a lot that can be accomplished.

It seems that within the next few weeks or months, China is preparing a plan that would allow Taiwan some type of participation in the World Health Assembly, which controls the UN’s World Health Organization. Taiwan has been denied access to that august body since the 1970s, when it was tossed out of the UN in favor of the People’s Republic of China. More is expected soon on closer economic ties. Only after the two sides make progress on those two areas – trade and Taiwan’s international presence – will we be able to expect movement on security issues and China’s some 700 missiles that aim at Taiwan along the southeastern Chinese coast.

Given the complexity of the issue, Bush might punt the arms sales question to the next administration. And he calls himself the decider.

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"Russia pressed its invasion of Georgia by land, sea and air for a third day Sunday, striking far beyond contested South Ossetia as the Kremlin brushed aside a cease-fire offer and disputed Georgia's claim to have pulled its forces out of the rebel enclave.

Russian jets bombed near Tbilisi, the Georgian capital, including civilian housing, military bases, factories and the international airport, according to Georgia officials. Also, Russian warships deployed off the Black Sea coast, sinking a Georgian missile boat that approached them, state-run Russian news media said."

http://www.theolympian.com/nationworld/v-print/story/538829.html

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The Georgian war minute by minute

08:54 GMT - Russian PM Vladimir Putin says the Russian government is planning to spend $10 billion rubles ($US 420 million) on aid to South Ossetia.

08:14 GMT – EU’s 27 Foreign Ministers to hold an emergency meeting early next week to discuss ways of stopping the conflict - Ria Novosti reports.

07:43 GMT - Russian peacekeepers deny Georgian troops have left the conflict zone.

06:17 GMT - Georgia claims its troops have completely left the territory of South Ossetia.

http://www.russiatoday.ru/news/news/28684

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'Predictably, in the wake of Russia sending reinforcements to back up its peacekeepers under seige by the Georgian army in the tiny disputed territory of South Ossetia, Arizona Senator and Republican Presidential candidate John McCain is denouncing the move as "Russian aggression" against Georgia. Nevermind that it was the Georgian army which launched the offensive that ignited the present round of fighting.

The reported death toll of over 1,400 is the worst the region has seen since 1992. In that year, the Soviet Union was formally dissolved, and South Ossetia and Abkhazia, both regions with strong ethnic ties to compatriots in Russia, were ceded to Georgia within their Soviet-drawn borders. After the U.S. and NATO countries recognized the independence of Kosovo in early 2008, the South Ossetians and Abkhazians decided they could also declare their independence from Georgia, which has sparked the recent round of fighting...'

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В текущем году нам предстоит убрать сельскохозяйственные культуры на площади более 4 миллионов гектаров, что на 400 тыс. га больше прошлого года.

В том числе:

зерновых – 3,7 млн. га, что на 380 тыс. га больше уровня 2007 года, из них пшеницы 3084 тыс. га, в том числе твердой - 63 тыс. га.

Масличных – 114 тыс. га, что на 4 тыс. га больше 2007 года.

Для обеспечения населения области картофелем и овощами собственного производства увеличены площади под этими культурами на 20% и составляют - по овощам 4,7 тыс. гектаров, картофелю - 26 тыс. гектаров.

На полях области началась уборка зерновых культур.

На 4 августа озимые культуры скошены на площади 8,6 тыс.га (97%), обмолочено 3 тыс. га, валовой сбор составил 4450 тонн при урожайности 15 ц/га. Наивысшая урожайность в Тайыншинском 28,3 ц/га, Аккайынском 25,2 ц/га. Самая низкая урожайность на сегодня в Айыртауском районе – 11,3 ц/га.

Не приступил к обмолоту район М.Жумабаева.

На первых 920 гектарах уложены в валки яровые в Аккайынском, Кызылжарском и Тимирязевском районах, это участки первого срока сева.

При благоприятных погодных условиях косовица хлебов выборочно начнется в ближайшие дни.

По оценкам специалистов и руководителей сельхозформирований на полях области зреет не плохой урожай.

Для получения достойного урожая, была проведена большая работа в весенне-летний период.

Ресурсосберегающие технологии внедрены на площади 2 млн. гектаров или в 2 раза больше прошлого года.

Для повышения плодородия почв в 2008 году одновременно с посевом внесено 19 тыс. тонн минеральных удобрений.

Проведена гербицидная обработка посевов на площади более 3,4 млн. гектаров, в том числе против овсюга обработано 960 тыс.га.

Против болезней и вредителей посевы обработаны на площади около 1,2 млн.га, в том числе за счет собственных средств 1051 тыс.га (91%).

Ведется подготовка земель под урожай 2009 года. Пары обработаны в 3-ий раз на 85 % намеченной площади, началась 4-я обработка.

Площадь химических паров на сегодня составляет более 86 тыс. га.

На полях области идёт заготовка кормов. Подвезено к местам зимовки 550 тыс. тонн сена (85%).

Широкое применение новой высокопроизводительной техники и технологий позволит своевременно и качественно провести уборочные работы за 30-35 дней. [URL=http://kazakhzerno.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=category§ionid=1&id=28]Уборка урожая 2008 года[/URL]
По предварительным расчетам раздельным способом будет убрано 42-45% зерновых

Многолетняя практика подтверждает, что в целом лучшее качество урожая получается, при скашивании пшеницы в валки.

По данным ученых опытной станции этот способ уборки позволяет начать работы на 5-7 дней раньше, при влажности зерна на корню 30 - 37%.

Преимущество прямого комбайнирования состоит в его большей независимости от погодных условий. При неустойчивой погоде альтернативы этому способу уборки нет.

С первых дней обмолота зерновых необходимо проводить засыпку семян с целью создания резервного фонда. Для определения качественных показателей семенных участков мы полностью обеспечены агрономами апробаторами.

Технические возможности созданные в области позволяют 50 и более процентов урожая убрать с корня.

В области для приемки зерна нового урожая имеется 47 лицензированных ХПП с общей емкостью более 3 млн. тонн, в том числе 32 линейных и 15 глубинных, из них 40 готовы к приемке нового зерна, остальные устраняют выявленные недостатки.

Идет серьезная работа по модернизации элеваторов и ХПП. До начала уборки предполагается реализовать 6 инновационных проектов, в основном это ввод в строй современных модулей производства США, Канады и Германии. Это даст возможность увеличить их емкости на 186 тыс.тонн , а мощности сушильного хозяйства возрастут на 6 тыс.тонн в сутки. (Айыртауский, Акжарский, районы М.Жумабаева и Г.Мусрепова, г.Петропавловск)

Сельхозформирования области завершают подготовку к уборке урожая зернотокового хозяйства и складских помещений.

Значительное количество новой техники приобретается в текущем году, за прошедшие 7 месяцев поступило почти 1400 ед. на 14,3 млрд.тенге.

Многие сельхозформирования, в том числе и крестьянские хозяйства используют Государственную поддержку- на условиях агролизинга через АО «КазАгроФинанс» закуплено техники на 3,2 млрд.тенге, что выше уровня прошлого года почти в 2,5 раза.

Особое внимание уделяется обновлению уборочной техники. Агроформирования уже приобрели 219 зерноуборочных комбайнов, 55 широкозахватных валковых жаток, более 70 большегрузных автомобилей и другой техники.

Всего же в предстоящей уборке примут участие свыше 10 тыс.комбайнов, из которых с учетом нового поступления более 2000 высокопроизводительные. Ими предполагается убрать 62% зерновых и масличных культур.

Среди районов наибольшее количество техники поступает в агроформирования Айыртауского, Акжарского, Есильского и Г.Мусрепова. Начали завозить новую технику в Тимирязевском и районе М.Жумабаева.

За последние два месяца здесь поступило соответственно 33 и 14 зерноуборочных комбайнов, 24 и 11 энергонасыщенных тракторов . В то же время всего 4 комбайна приобретено в Кызылжарском, 3 в Уалихановском и 6 в районе Шал акына. В этих районах в текущем году не завезено пока ни одной валковой жатки.

По предварительным прогнозам в область до начала уборки поступит около 450 зерноуборочных комбайнов, из них 123 в лизинг по линии АО «КазАгроФинанс». Это снизит нагрузку на один комбайн и жатку по сравнению с прошлым годом соответственно на 5 и 4 га и она составит 262 и 267 физических гектаров.

Учитывая высокую нагрузку на свале зерновых в последние годы ведётся серьезная работа по оснащению прицепными валковыми жатками и особенно современными. В нынешней уборке их будет работать более 5700, из которых 2 тыс. широкозахватные.

По перевозкам урожая в последние 3-4 года особых проблем не возникает, привлечения транспорта из-за пределов области нет.

В настоящее время повсеместно ведется восстановление техники, уровень готовности которой достигает 90%, что значительно выше предыдущих лет.

Успешное проведение предстоящей уборки зависит от своевременных поставок дизельного топлива. Обеспеченность по области составляет 23%, В Айыртауском, Тайыншинском, Г.Мусрепова имеется топлива от 25 до 30% потребности. Меньше 20 процентов в Акжарском, Жамбылском и Мамлютском районах.

Области выделены необходимые объемы топлива, определены и работают 2 оптовых поставщика. На сегодня отгружено 18,5 тыс.тонн. Районным отделам сельского хозяйства необходимо активизировать работу по своевременной оплате агроформированиями за выделенные объемы топлива.

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News:

No pressing need for Taiwan arms sales

"U.S. policymakers see no pressing need to sell advanced arms to Taiwan now, despite requests from Taipei for F-16 fighter jets, the head of the U.S. Pacific Command said on Wednesday.

Adm. Timothy Keating acknowledged there had been no recent arms sales to Taiwan"

U.S. decision-makers "have reconciled Taiwan's current military posture, China's current military posture and strategy that indicates there is no pressing, compelling need for at this moment arms sales to Taiwan of the systems that we're talking about,"

He added that "we are committed to the defense of Taiwan" and said a robust U.S. military presence in the region served as a "powerful deterrent" to conflict across the Taiwan Strait.

from
http://uk.reuters.com/article/governmentFilingsNews/idUKN1632152420080716?sp=true

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Rti:

Ma supports the cross-strait status quo
"President Ma Ying-jeou said Monday that he supports maintaining the status quo in Taiwan's relations with China.

Ma said that he would not seek de facto independence or unification with China. Ma also said that the missiles China has pointed at Taiwan must be removed for cross-strait tensions to disappear."

http://english.rti.org.tw/Content/GetSingleNews.aspx?ContentID=61377

Truce:

Diplomatic ceasefire must show progress

"Beijing has always said Taiwan can have international, but not diplomatic, space.

With a diplomatic ceasefire, Taiwan’s participation in international intergovernmental organizations should see a quantitative increase. The ways in which it participates in international conferences and the types of conferences it can attend should also increase.

One goal of such a ceasefire would be to gain WHA observer status, which would also be a way to explore possibilities for World Bank and IMF entry. The government can talk about a diplomatic ceasefire, but the more important challenge is to make the EU and other nations turn their support for Taiwan’s meaningful participation into support for full WHA membership, as is given by the US and Japan."

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2008/06/30/2003416128

Anonymous:

Two Chinese men were caught red handed filming the Danish team discussing tactics in their hotel room before a match with China at last September’s World Cup.

The pair were discovered after the team noticed movement behind a glass mirror in their room. Team officials asked hotel staff to unlock a door, revealing the two men with video cameras spying on the meeting.

http://www.livenews.com.au/Articles/2008/07/14/Chinese_spies_swept_under_the_carpet_ahead_of_Olympics

PROUD ANTI-CHINESE:

When traveling to China for the Olympics this summer, leave any expectation of privacy at the border. Instead, prepare for possible eavesdropping and surveillance--from listening devices in hotel rooms to bugged laptops and personal digital assistants to informers posing as friendly strangers.

Those who laugh at the seeming paranoia would be wise to remember that the U.S. recently accused Chinese authorities of allegedly copying data from the laptop of a visiting trade official last year and attempting to hack into the Commerce Department. The Chinese denied the allegations.

http://www.forbes.com/travel/2008/07/08/olympics-security-privacy-forbeslife-olympics08-cx_rr_0708security.html

An uneasy detente:

"China's first priority is to absorb Taiwan without a war,"

"You are not fighting Normandy anymore. If the PLA attack Taiwan, it will be a very different kind of attack from D-Day. Invasion is the lowest and last option on China's list, and even then the military's preference would be to deter the United States [from entering a conflict] and to seize Taiwan."

http://www.nationalpost.com/story-printer.html?id=586742

Anonymous:

"WE WILL give the media complete freedom to report when they come to China." So promised one of the most senior Chinese Olympic officials, Wang Wei, in 2001 on the eve of the International Olympic Committee awarding Beijing the 2008 Games.

Seven years on, and the issue that has always been a concern to international journalists: the extent to which the Communist Party would allow the world to freely opine - has become a fissure of dissent between the IOC and Chinese authorities.

How big the crack widens before the Opening Ceremony on August 8 will depend very much on China's stance in the next week or so.

It's not looking good. Many media can't even get into the country. Visas are being so restricted, many television and radio networks are rejigging plans. Channels Nine and Ten have spent more than a year satisfying the paperwork for 30 or so technical and support staff. They are due to leave next week, but still do not have the necessary invitations from the Chinese government for the visas to be issued. Reporters Without Borders has received similar complaints from European journalists.

Anonymous:

A Chinese man has been sentenced to two years in jail for hacking into a Red Cross website and asking for earthquake relief donations to be sent to his bank account, state media reported Saturday.

Yang Litao, 23, was found guilty of fraud and sentenced on Friday by a court in eastern Jiangsu province, the Xinhua news agency reported.

He hacked into the Red Cross's local site in Kunshan city, near Shanghai, six days after the May 12 quake in Sichuan province, the report said.

The quake, measuring 8.0 on the Richter scale, left nearly 88,000 people dead or missing, and up to five million others homeless.

Yang stole the site administrator's identity and password and then posted a fake notice asking for donations to be deposited in his account, the report said.

He also loaded a virus onto the website and ended up forcing it to shut down for 27 hours during the relief operations, the report said.

However authorities caught him before any donations made it to his account, the report said.

Anonymous:

Please be advised that due to the impending Olympic Games the The Ministry of Public Security in China (PSB) has advised that the existing regulations for the completion of the Registration Form of Temporary Residence in China must be strictly adhered. The steps required to complete the process will vary from city to city and will also vary depending on type of accommodation utilized. Whilst the maximum penalty imposed for failing to register is currently RMB 5,000, an official may elect to impose a higher penalty if there are subsequent instances of non compliance.
Effective immediately and until further notice, all foreigners residing in private housing must register at the nearest Police station within 24 hours after arrival back to China every time they have been traveling outside China. If the registration is not undertaken, both the management company/landlord and foreigner can be fined RMB 5,000.

It is important to note that this rule applies to any foreign person living in any apartment or private dwelling - even if it is for just for one night. And we understand the Ba Li Zhuang, Pan Jia Yuan and San Yuan Li PSB are the 3 local PSB in Beijing that are extremely strict in implementation of this rule. We would like to advise that should your resident falls under the coverage of this 3 PSB, you must ensure you are 100% in compliance. If staying overnight or visiting friends in China, registration must be carried out upon arrival with the local PSB office responsible for the area within 24 hours of arrival.

You will need to supply your passport and evidence of visa when presenting at the PSB office. In most locations registration can be undertaken at the local Police Station. For questions on what documents to submit &/or bring to your local police station, please inquire with your housing agent or landlord, as this can vary by district.

Frequently Asked Questions

Q: What documents are required for presentation or is it only passport and visa?
A: The following documents should be taken when registering:

Original passport plus a copy of the passport ID page
One passport-style photo (not always requested)
Lease Agreement (original can be requested)
Landlord National ID Card and contact details
Ownership certificate and tax payment receipts (not always requested)

Q: Will all PBS offices or police stations have someone who speaks English?
A: No. In most cases there will not be an officer who is able to communicate in English.

Q: Does the employee have to register in person or can it be done by spouse/partner, agent, driver?
A personal appearance is not usually required by either the PSB or local Police Station.

Q: If in person, is it every visa holder including children under 18 years?
In cases where personal appearance is required, only one adult needs to attend (i.e. either the assignee or spouse / partner).

Q: Do I need to register if I am staying in a hotel or serviced apartment?
A: Guests must be registered upon arrival with the PSB by the hotel and if separate, the serviced apartment management company. Usually this procedure is automatic with input from the hotel being directly fed into the local PSB computer at the check-in procedure, with no additional action being required from the guest. However, daily checks are now in operation and the PSB physically visits hotels to request copies of the hotels’ in-house guest lists to make sure they match the PSB’s own records. If they do not, the hotel / serviced apartment will be fined RMB5,000 per missing entry. Hotel guests under these circumstances would not be fined. However it does mean that foreigners wishing to stay at a hotel in China must provide full passport and visa credentials in order to check in.

Ken:

Hahaha.. as i was expected.. since the opening up of direct flight from China to Taiwan... already 3 Chinese women are missing in Taiwan.... Taiwan should be prepare for such immigration problems... There will be more china tourist that will go missing.. these tourist are just making used of such opportunites to work in Taiwan.. They will abondon the tour group when opportunity strike.. Most are being pre-arrange before hand and there will be someone to pick them up... In Mandarin we call it "Tiao Fei Ji" - Translate (Jump Aeroplane)

Pro-Taiwan:

I only have one final message for everyone:
台灣國!!台灣國!!台灣國!!台灣國!!台灣國!!台灣國!!台灣國!!台灣國!!台灣國!!台灣國!!

Translation: The Republic of TAIWAN!!!!!!!

A Truthful Chinese:

--China should reduce the ballistic missiles that aim at Taiwan along the southeastern Chinese coast.--Liberated

If Taiwan peacefully seeking Unification, then I'll tell CCP to aim their own missiles toward themselves.


Psyops:

First China tried to include Taiwan in it's Olympic torch domestic route.

Now it tries an Olympic banner name change from 'Chinese Taipei' to 'Taipei, China'

Taiwan rejects Olympic name change
http://www.chinapost.com.tw/taiwan/china-taiwan%20relations/2008/07/11/164946/Taipei-China.htm

Liberated:

China should reduce the ballistic missiles that aim at Taiwan along the southeastern Chinese coast.

Anonymous:

A Chinese inspector sent by a US ship classification society to a South Korean shipyard has been arrested for allegedly stealing key technology, prosecutors said Wednesday.

The 35-year-old unidentified man was arrested on June 27 and indicted for stealing technology to manufacture oil drilling ships and platforms, said the prosecutors' office in the southern port city of Busan.

"This case shows that China is using all means available to steal advanced technology from our shipbuilding industry," the office said in a statement.

It said the American Bureau of Shipping, at the request of a Chinese state shipping company, sent the man last September to supervise the building of a ship at an undisclosed yard.

He was the first foreigner to be charged in South Korea with technology theft.

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5huBUB08V13PpoNk2ppCZUZ_tk8Tg

PROUD ANTI-CHINESE:

China wants hundreds of factories to cease production during the Olympic Games as a way to limit air pollution. But some of the companies affected are not amused. Now, five German companies are weighing legal action.

The German Chamber of Commerce in Beijing told SPIEGEL ONLINE that German companies have been exploring their options for weeks, but refused to say whether legal action had begun.

The five companies are among some 1,100 businesses, many of them located up to an hour away from the city center, which will have to put production on hold for the duration of the Olympic Games and the Paralympic Games immediately following. In addition to Beijing closures, some 267 companies in the industrial city of Tangshan north of the city will have to cease operations and 40 factories in the nearby port city of Tianjin are closing, according to Reuters. Factories in three other provinces will also have to shut down.

Most of the factories affected are Chinese, but in addition to German companies, businesses from South Korea, Japan, Denmark and Sweden are also affected.

A Truthful Chinese:

--China Expels British Citizen of Tibetan Descent--

If in US, they are to be considered as Terrorists and to be prisoned, tortured for informations.

China is really very kind to those foreigners who set fires in her country, hit missiles to her Embassy, those US reckless air force who hit Chinese airplane and killed her people, and landed in China, after, sent them home that each of US soldiers gained 20lb in one month, some peoples are so embarrassing:)

And most people don't even know that US government and CCP sleep in one bed and share the same pillow.

Go China! Go USA!

A Truthful Chinese:

1. Sun Tzu said: In the practical art of war, the best
thing of all is to take the enemy's country whole and intact;
to shatter and destroy it is not so good. So, too, it is
better to recapture an army entire than to destroy it,
to capture a regiment, a detachment or a company entire
than to destroy them.

2. Hence to fight and conquer in all your battles
is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists
in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting.

3. Thus the highest form of generalship is to
balk the enemy's plans; the next best is to prevent
the junction of the enemy's forces; the next in
order is to attack the enemy's army in the field;
and the worst policy of all is to besiege walled cities.

From –Art of War-

If Taiwan and China both unified, two sides win;
If Taiwan seeks Independence, provokes a war of besieging cities;
Who are the happiest people on earth to see Chinese fighting against Chinese?
If I were the third party, I would hope Taiwan could always pull against China so I be benefited and enjoy the show with my popcorns. Who would refuse to watch a family drama? Not to mention I can sell my cheap junks at a rip off price so Taiwan could use them against their family in a vain effort.
Who is Taiwan’s real enemy? Who is Taiwan’s family?
Why Taiwan trying to walk with a fake friend to abandon their true family?
Taiwan government is so stupid! Jeez, I thought I was the stupidest Chinese.

Pro-Taiwan:

Let's take a look from another perspective. Do anyone of you truly believe that it was an "error" when the Pentagon shipped the nuclear components to Taiwan? I'm mean, this is a very difficult error to make. So assuming it's not an error and Taiwan has the "know-how" for building the nuclear weapon, then should the war break out, who's going suffer? The answer: Everyone! The point is: Don't just assume Taiwan would pay the big price if China do attack one day.
Stop the bellicose approach. If China is that good of a country, I'm sure the majority people in Taiwan would favor unification.

Anonymous:

---You are my favoriate!!!!! You are so funny. I almost spurted water onto my screen when I read your comments. Especially when you are saying "Don't underestimate Taiwan's Military". How cute you are!!!!!

You guys really think you are somebody huh?
Let me tell you, you just simply the people who live in a bufferzone between Japan, US and China. Your fate is designed by us, not your ignorant 2.3M people and your stupid President, who ever he is.---


Then come and take them you son of arrogant S_hit.

Hahahahaha:

To:
Pro-Taiwan

You are my favoriate!!!!! You are so funny. I almost spurted water onto my screen when I read your comments. Especially when you are saying "Don't underestimate Taiwan's Military". How cute you are!!!!!

You guys really think you are somebody huh?
Let me tell you, you just simply the people who live in a bufferzone between Japan, US and China. Your fate is designed by us, not your ignorant 2.3M people and your stupid President, who ever he is.

A Truthful Chinese:

--30 Apache helicopters, 60 Black Hawk helicopters, eight diesel-electric submarines and four Patriot air defense missile batteries. The administration has also refused, Kessler reported, to accept a "letter of request" from Taiwan for 66 F-16 C/D fighters – which would cost an additional $5 billion.-- From Mr. John Pomfret

Ok, I apologize for all my dramatized speeches.

This time let use a funny tone:

30 Apache helicopters, 60 Black Hawk helicopters:
Have you guys seen the movie of 'Black Hawk Down', a very good movie, but it seems these Hellicoppers are faulty products, why couldn't US sell our Taiwan brothers some good ones, huh?:)

eight diesel-electric submarines:
These equipment are best for deep sea fishing, but it is already too crowded for China seas, I hope you guys don't crash into each other. Next time, bring me back some good fish.:)

four Patriot air defense missile batteries:
Are these batteries last two years like my current laptop?:)

66 F-16 C/D fighters:
How our brothers going to play with these? Straight up into the sky and trying to be the first man fly into space to set a honorable record for all Chinese?:)

Do our brothers still keep the receipt, and make sure US gives them a good refund policy, if our brother find out all these equipment are used, old, and refurbished, that if they spend enough time on ebay, may could get a much cheaper deal?:)

Next time, if they really want some good toys, go to Beijing, family price for our brothers, and shipping is free, because it is very close distance.

And If after Unification, Beijing could set a nuke clear energy plant in Taiwan for a better clean environment solution, that UN can't block since Taiwan is part of China, that China is already allowed to develop such military 'hallow' as only a few giant arms in the world, and next time China set Space program we could reserve two seats for Taiwan brothers for free, and all Taiwan brother could get all the beautiful young ladies in China, even CCP's daughters will be overnight into their bed for good faith, and Taiwan brothers could get all the tax cut from their annual military shopping so they can travel the world for good life... Am I the only person seeing all these?

If Taiwan seeks Independence, then lets count:

From the "Economy" view
(1.3 billion x 100RMB) / 23 Million = ? Each Taiwanese
After 10 or 20 years, how China's economy going to grow? How Taiwan going to grow? How US from half globe going to grow?

From the "ground" view
US from Half the globe, and China by her Door,
compare the distance and count the gas cost please, do you know how much the gas price now?

From the "Way' view
How many people in Taiwan really believe Independence? 100%? 10%? What is 10% of population of Taiwan?
How many Mainland Chinese believe One China and Reunification? 100%? 10%? What is 10% of population of China?

From the "weather" view
Taiwan’s weather is the same as part of mid south of China, all the people share the same language culture and weather comfort habit, working in Taiwan zone is the same as in Fujian province, no sickness from the weather side.

From the ‘Education’ view
I don’t have to mention.

From the ‘Timing’ view
Taiwan has all the rights to seek peace as long as No-Independence, and time favors both brother if Taiwan seeks peace, but if Taiwan provokes, that they turn their clock to CCP, why anyone wants to do that? After year by year, China grows, which means times favors her better and better.

I don’t want to offend anyone; this is the true reality. Do those Pro-Taiwan Independence people study economy, war, or even know how to count? Why some people provoke a war that they can’t even win?

So brother, who is your brother here? Family should be united, not separated? Don't you See?

A Truthful Chinese:

C'mon guys,

I am just being bad, no hurts for anyone, just to show people a clear point. That's all.

Anonymous:

---Mainland and Taiwan are like N Korea and S Korea, the division is only political and the hostility is surface and thus both temperary. Any patient adults should see this as common sense. There is no need to explain anything at all. ---

Goshh.. Another idiot who knows nothing what about he is talking.

papertiger:

Pomfret(a hypocritcal western journalist) + "A Truthful Chinese"(a mediocre, confussing Chinese reader) + Jed Clampett(a stubborn Pseudo-spiritualist) = Trinity of western media of China bashing.

papertiger:

I should add that a confrontation among Chinese in mainland and Taiwan would delight some Japanese too.

papertiger:

By the way, I do wish my copy was an illegal one. This kind of Hollywood trash that promotes violence and celebrates the torture of women shouldn't be allowed to make money off anywhere else outside USA.

papertiger:

To "A Truthful Chinese",

You are at the same level as this Pomfret. Pomfret isn't doing a service to USA, and you are not doing a service to mainland. Both of you just fancy that you do.

Both of you, talkative, superficial and annoying.

Mainland and Taiwan are like N Korea and S Korea, the division is only political and the hostility is surface and thus both temperary. Any patient adults should see this as common sense. There is no need to explain anything at all.

A confrontation among Chinese in mainland and Taiwan only delights some watching westerners and their arm businessmen.

To; Pro Taiwanese:

The real Taiwanese are the aboriginal people whom were raped and killed by transplanted mainlanders over the last 200 years. Their culture is completely wiped out. They all speak either so-called Taiwanese ( a dialect of China) or mandarin. If you are really pro-Taiwan, you should re-surrect all the original Taiwanese culture. Stop speaking Chinese dialect. Repent and be a real Taiwanese. Then you can talk about democracy and human right. Get rid of the folly Taiwanese and declare independence. LOL
Long live freedom. Get rid of folly Taiwanese.

AndimerForts:

OpenMoko, a Taiwan-based device manufacturer, is celebrating Independence Day by freeing smart phone users from the shackles of proprietary devices with its touch-screen Neo FreeRunner, an open source Linux handset to rival the coveted Apple iPhone.

A Truthful Chinese:

To A Truthy Taiwanese,

Chinese, I am arrogant. But at least, I can count the missiles, and trying to avoid war, if my stove is on fire, I'll shut it off.

I have a lot of Taiwan friends, but I've never seen someone like Pro-Taiwan. Maybe you guys read Romance of Three Kingdom, and love and admire General Zhuge Liang and Zhuo Yu too much, but those are all stories, not true history, Even Cao Cao, Zhuge Liang and Zhuo Yu lead Taiwan's government would not want to provoke a war, and you guys don't even have reason to win a war, how are you going to defend yourselves?

Are you really going to copy Zhuge Liang's plot of 'empty city' or 'Empty Camp'? LOL LOL LOL I cannot stop to LOL!

Properly if there is really a war, within one week, 23 million Taiwan people would become 23, the rest all flee early, and those 23 who somehow lose their airline ticket. And your military plot would be called 'Empty Island Plot', after, we will invite US TV show to do a 'Survivor Show' in our island, the winner would win 1 million US Dollars. I even think of a TV program Slogan:

"This time we pick 12 participants to live in Taiwan for 1 month. Those Pro-Independence Taiwanese flee early, but are you going to survive there, and stay longer than they did?:-) LOL

My brother, how old are you?

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papertiger:

USAers,

Don't you wake up from all these campus shootings? Without an older culture, people and expecially growing people learn how to act from their goverment's behavior since they don't have their own Buddhas or even Platos to look to. Selling arms abroad is the same as setting up fire back home. It is old people like this Pomfret making the lives of young people miserable in USA. Shameful old men!

I saw a Hollywood movie ("Blade Runners"?), in it, a big hairry barbaric looking man (Harrison Ford?) holding a big gun shooting a half naked woman to death and the camera work seemed to celebrate it. Is this how you promote arm business?


A Truthful Chinese:

To Independent,

People in Taiwan do not know that they do not lose anything if they cooperate with CPC, CPC guarantee that; why they are so stupid to provoke a war?
If Taiwan is 2000 miles apart from China, they are already independent. Don't they see the distance? They don't even have a bigger field for CPC to play, there are 1400 missiles already aiming on their head, how they going to defend themselves? Do they really expect they will block every missile? How long US would keep promise to enter a war for Taiwan matter? How long US's economy would last to still be unchallenged, 30/50 years? Do they know how difficult for US to enter in a war? Especially a war that cannot be won, against an opponent like China that size? How long Taiwan would endure a war? Are they really out of their mind? Are they truly that stupid?

They would not even need to change their passport after a symbolized document is signed, and CPC would earn all the credits, and Taiwan would keep all the benefits, why they still seeking a dead road? CPC would not even send 1000 soldiers in Taiwan for a showcase station.

Are those Pro-Independence really live in Taiwan? I worry for them.

The whole world is begging these Taiwan people not to hit their head against the wall, includes CPC, US, and all the Chinese, and all their ancestors...

What is wrong with them?

Independent:


United States government policy toward China and Taiwan has been based upon Machiavellian pretense since Nixon's visit there about thirty six years ago. While on the one hand, the United States officially recognizes there is one China, with Taiwan being a part of China, the United States government has consistently insisted China can use only diplomatic methods to reunify the country. Meanwhile the United States government sells sophisticated military equipment to Taiwan and somewhat vaguely promises to defend the island if attacked by China.

This would be analgous to if Cuba had been part of the United States for decades and the defeated Confederate government had fled there. Great Britain used its naval supremacy to prevent United States forces from invading the island to completely reunify the country. The British make the pretense for more than two decades, as the United States government did regarding China and Taiwan, the Confederate led government in Cuba represents the United States in international organizations. Eventually the British government recognizes the United States and Cuba are one country, but promises to defend Cuba if the United States attacks. This would be perfectly acceptable to the United States, right?

To get back to the actual situation, there has been in a tacit game played by all three sides since the early 1970's. The United States pretends to recognize one China, while threatening to go to war if China tries to unilaterally make this a reality. China claims Taiwan is part of China, but has made no efforts to use force and seems to tacitly accept Taiwan's status as virtually independent in reality, but not in name. Taiwan, except for losing representation in certain international organizations, has done quite well with this "game," becoming overall prosperous, eventually after a few decades of repressive rule evolving into a thriving democracy, this year winning concessions from the Chinese government and retaining the vast Chinese cultural treasures the Nationalist army took from Beijing, when their forces withdrew, in defeat, to Taiwan.

I do not think this game will change in at least the near future. As long as no reckless Taiwanese leaders seek formal independence, the Chinese leaders are likely to continue in their concessions to Taiwan, in the forlorn hope there will be eventual reunification. Taiwan will likely be the ultimate winner.

A Truthful Chinese:

In 1950, CPC had warned US not to cross into North Korea, not to approach Ya Lu river, otherwise Chinese would enter in Korea. US army led by Gen. Macarthur did not believe it, now look at your world map, what did US get after that.

In 1996, China long distance missile flew over Taiwan Island, don't you guys get it.

Did not I tell you, Chinese would sacrifice peace and Democracy and Human Rights for Unity?

Did not I tell you 'We Chinese will become a beast to protect our land and young ones'.

Lets share all bad consequence info, when the time, you surrender your rights to all the Chinese, most likely from Mainland, don't say we did not warn you.

We Chinese, don't fear to get bad name for our own unity.

And right now, you think I just threaten you, but when you shed your terrible tears, you may realize that I was just trying to save you.

Pro-Taiwan:

++All other things could be laughable, but when all of Chinese starting marching in the calling and name of 'One China', it is always disaster for their enemy++

You sounded like someone who hates freedom of speech and wants to suppress b/c I believe "One China"myth is laughable. You're just a classic example of a true communist that only sees things one way.

++If the current generation in Taiwan don't teach their kids that 'Taiwan is a part of China', when their cover of casket are closed, and their dumb kids want a way out, they don't even know their dads and moms lead them into a disaster. In the end, your uneducated self-view concept sets your children into a grave situation.++

You know, you can do better than saying this nonsense. In case you're not aware, the text book in Taiwan has already dimissed Taiwan being a province or part of China. Why? B/C that's the reality. China HAD jurisdiction over Taiwan over a hundred years ago. But that's no longer the case. Please accept this fact. That's almost like saying US was part of UK more than 200 years ago.

++ To tell you the truth, Independence Dream for people in Taiwan is a nightmare, you people need to wake up. Taiwan cannot avoid unification, there is easy and quick way if Taiwan people really want it; or a longer and peaceful way, that after, Taiwan people will keep everything and solve their unseen disaster.++

That's a very bellicose tone and you guys describe China as "peaceful rise"?! C'mon, what a freakin joke! Do you really think China will come out as a winner if indeed war breaks out? If that's what you think, you better think again. All I can say is, don't underestimate Taiwan's millitary.

You people in China just don't get it. Perhaps the brainwash by your government is to deep for you to understand that when you don't have jurisdiction on a land, then you can't really say that land is yours simply by saying "One China" because the land is NOT yours. It is owned by the 23 million Taiwanese citizens!
Threating tones such as "unseen disaster" only creates more animosity and unnecessary!

Readin:

A Truthful Chinese, It sounds like you're saying that the Chinese people are like a train - incapable of thought, incapable of free will, simply placed on a track and forced to go one way.

The CPC has brainwashed the Chinese people into believing Taiwan is part of China - you are correct on that. But the CPC could decide to reverse the brainwashing. They could stop teaching their children to embrace Chinese imperialism in Taiwan as a good and necessary thing. The CPC could start stop teaching Chinese children to hate those Taiwanese who wish to freely state the truth of their identity. Eventually the CPC could simply let the Chinese hear all sides of the debate over Taiwan, and to freely debate the issue among themselves. That would be the best way for China to maintain China's peace and unity.

A Truthful Chinese:

--This whole "One China" myth is just laughable!!!--From Pro-Taiwan

All other things could be laughable, but when all of Chinese starting marching in the calling and name of 'One China', it is always disaster for their enemy.

When KMT was in China, they marched in the name of 'One China'; the Communist Party marched in the name of 'One China'; When the Olympic torch passed in Australia, some separatist trying to put out the fire, have you watched the TV and account how many Chinese students and adults went on the streets and calling 'One China'?

If the current generation in Taiwan don't teach their kids that 'Taiwan is a part of China', when their cover of casket are closed, and their dumb kids want a way out, they don't even know their dads and moms lead them into a disaster. In the end, your uneducated self-view concept sets your children into a grave situation.

Don't you teach your kids to walk by following the traffic light, when the train is coming, they must run away from the track? If your parents did not tell you, then you better learn it quick.

To tell you the truth, Independence Dream for people in Taiwan is a nightmare, you people need to wake up. Taiwan cannot avoid unification, there is easy and quick way if Taiwan people really want it; or a longer and peaceful way, that after, Taiwan people will keep everything and solve their unseen disaster.

Even the third party is telling you guys not to stir that fire while Chien Shui Bian that idiot trying his wicked scheme.

And the majority people in Taiwan should watch current government that not lead them into a disaster by 2/3 of members hold other countries green card, I am not sure they really do care the life of commons in Taiwan, because they always have another country to run, when the fire is started.

Don't be fooled by your Democracy and missiles, there is condition and trigger for everything.

One more personal suggestion, go get a green card of any other country first, if in future your government claims independence, you don't celebrate in Taiwan, you bring all your family and money outside Taiwan asap, save your life first.

Unless, you like me, not fear to die, like those who call out 'One China'.

It is not a laughing matter, my brother.
We can solve our matter on the feast table, or in the field; but it is your choice, my brother.

inka:

pro-Taiwan, totally agree with you there.

Pro-Taiwan:

I think "Chinese Issue" is a vague term. How do you define it? I personally don't think Taiwan is a Chinese Issue and I'm sure the majority of Taiwanese would agree with that. If Taiwanese don't see themselves as chinese, then "chinese issue" is not revelent and only applies to China.

Taiwan is already independent. China has no jurisdiction over Taiwan. Although China has successfully force the majority of the world not to recognize Taiwan as a sovereign state, one cannot deny the fact that from operationally standpoint, Taiwan functions just like any other independent country. That's a reality! not my opinion. However, it appears China has a good job of brainwashing people in believing Taiwan is inseparateble from China and that independence movement is seccssionist movement. Look, if you don't have jurisdiction over another, then how can you say this is your issue? C'mon! This whole "One China" myth is just laughable!!!

A Truthful Chinese:

--As far as UN is concerned, there are no documents stating that Taiwan is part of China and the the majority of people in Taiwan consider themself Taiwanese-- From Pro-Taiwan

What is Chinese business is no concern with UN, whether UN agree or not.

Whether majority of Chinese in Taiwan consider themselves as Taiwanese, or Monkeyese, or Donkeyese, or whateverese, it is no problem, their freedom, their democracy, but if they seek independence, that means people in Taiwan Violate the Rights of All Chinese.

And that is why I tell you Taiwan is Chinese Issue, not Chinese Communist Party's issue, not UN's issue, not US' issue, not a issue that could be solved by missiles that are made in US...

People in Taiwan have all their rights to seek unification, or otherwise All Chinese will. I don't even care that Taiwan military tries to liberate Mainland, but If people in Taiwan(Or anywhere in the World or in China) bring an foreign party to join a Chinese party to take away Chinese land and property, whoever those people are, will be punished as F_uckingese.

Some people are so stupid, that they don't hit against wall, they will not stop. They just waging fire on themselves.

Pro-Taiwan:

++A group of people has no right to decide the fate and land of every Chinese++

Whether this is a land of every Chinese is highly questionable. As far as UN is concerned, there are no documents stating that Taiwan is part of China and the the majority of people in Taiwan consider themself Taiwanese. Therefore, to say Taiwan is a land of every Chinese is wrong and hypocritical.

A Truthful Chinese:

From China’s view that people of Taiwan can have their Democracy anyway they want to, even they vote a monkey to be their president, it is fine, but, if one day, the monkey drinks too much and raises a flag. Then Every Chinese would have vote on that, includes Mainland China, Taiwan, and elsewhere, in US or Europe.
A group of people has no right to decide the fate and land of every Chinese.

Some people may think the current Taiwan situation is already a reality, but the reality could be easily changed.

A Truthful Chinese:

From China’s view that people of Taiwan can have their Democracy anyway they want to, even they vote a monkey to be their president, it is fine, but, if one day, the monkey drinks too much and raises a flag. Then Every Chinese would have vote on that, includes Mainland China, Taiwan, and elsewhere, in US or Europe.
A group of people has no right to decide the fate and land of every Chinese.

Some people may think the current Taiwan situation is already a reality, but the reality could be easily changed.

Michael Turton:

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KAI: Yes, China can choose to feel provoked or not feel provoked...but this doesn't mean Chen did not "provoke" China. Chen knew the potential consequences of his actions and words. He cannot claim to have been ignorant nor innocent. As a politician, he is required to be sensitive to political reality, and a mainland China that grates each time Taiwan mentions independence is part of that reality.
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MICHAEL: Kai, like many people who view Taiwan through conventionalist lenses, you don't get it. Chen's strategy was to take a strong line on Taiwan's sovereignty, and was very successful in pushing back China on the issue, in raising consciousness of Taiwan's identity at home, and in expanding its (informal)profile abroad.

China chose not to speak to Chen, and to repeatedly cut off negotiations because Chen offered China anything it wanted expect sovereignty. This actually made the DPP a better negotiator than the KMT, as US establishment analysts are slowly starting to realize. There is no boundary to what the KMT is willing to compromise, there was to the DPP. The recent tourist flight negotiations, from which Taiwan got nothing except the 1,000 tourists a day limit it was already getting (China reduced the 3,000 figure on it own), are a good example. The DPP, mindful of Taiwan's real needs, had bundled those with cargo and shipping links.

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KAI: Chen as a "radical" has be evaluated within context. When so many people want to maintain a peaceful status-quo instead of agitating and aggravating a rapidly developing and influential mainland China, Chen's actions can indeed reasonably be interpreted as "radical."
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MICHAEL: Ok then, explain two things. First, explain why you think democratic referendums and elections are 'radical' and second, explain why you don't think the expansion of China's missiles facing Taiwan from 600 1,400 over Chen's administration is not radical. In other words, how is democracy radical but a military buildup stabilizing? Only in the cloud-cuckoo land of China-Taiwan relations.

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KAI: However, that's ignoring the common history, heritage, and culture share by those in Taiwan and those in China.
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MICHAEL: This is both irrelevant and overstated. Common histories and cultures are shared by many different nations, like Canada and the US or Austrialia and New Zealand or Austra and Germany. Russia no longer possesses Estonia or Ukraine, but no one complains that she should feel cheated. But when China wants to annex Taiwan, a clear double standard suddenly appears. If you think China should be able to annex Taiwan, then you should be arguing for Russian possession of Estonia and Ukraine.

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KAI: Be that it may that the past 50 years or so have resulted in some divergent evolution between the two, but the similarities and ethno-cultural ties outnumber the differences.
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MICHAEL: It is hard to see where you get "the past 50 years" from since Taiwan has not been ruled by any government of China since 1895. If you mean the four brief years of KMT rule in 1945, that was under the auspices of the allies and Japan still owned Taiwan. And the KMT looted the island extensively, and murdered thousands and thousands of locals.

In reality, Taiwan has been practically cut off from China for over a century, and has developed its own consciousness (identity is more than just culture; it is the experience of other cultures in relation to oneself) growing out of its colonial experience of Qing, Japanese, and KMT rule. This is not an experience that China had; it met those differing conquerors in differing ways. hence the divergent identities even though there is a common cultural matrix -- though that is always overstated. How should a Taiwan aborigine or a Taiwan citizen like my children treat your insensitive remark?

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KAI: You're being insensitive to that, understandably but not acceptably.
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MICHAEL: I didn't even mention it one way or another so can't see why you did.

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KAI: So far, Ma is right on what to do. Let's deal with economics first and even leave this deeper question of reunification or independence for the future. Both (even most) sides have voiced support for this line of thinking, time and time again.
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MICHAEL: As you note, everyone would like to leave it for the future. But the problem is that Ma is not "leaving for the future" but actively degrading and hollowing out the island's democracy and soveriegnty, ending our independent foreign policy, among many things. the DPP never made the error of making sovereignty negotiable, or expecting the Chinese to make concessions (which they have not).

Michael

Kai:

@ Michael Turton:

"Finally, it should be noted that Chen "irritated" China for the same reason Benes irritated Hitler -- because he wanted to live in a free and independent state. "Being provoked" is a policy choice for China, not a visceral reaction, one it uses to paint the former corporate lawyer Chen Shui-bian as a "radical" while manipulating the international media. The true irritants and radicals are the Chinese who constantly threaten to plunge the region into war to annex an island that no ethnic Chinese emperor ever controlled, and which the PRC has never owned."

Yes, China can choose to feel provoked or not feel provoked...but this doesn't mean Chen did not "provoke" China. Chen knew the potential consequences of his actions and words. He cannot claim to have been ignorant nor innocent. As a politician, he is required to be sensitive to political reality, and a mainland China that grates each time Taiwan mentions independence is part of that reality.

Chen as a "radical" has be evaluated within context. When so many people want to maintain a peaceful status-quo instead of agitating and aggravating a rapidly developing and influential mainland China, Chen's actions can indeed reasonably be interpreted as "radical."

You're right that the PRC has never owned Taiwan, a political subtlety I myself struggle to help mainland Chinese understand when it comes to the blurring of the Communist Party government and the "nation of China" as well as feelings of entitlement.

However, that's ignoring the common history, heritage, and culture share by those in Taiwan and those in China. Be that it may that the past 50 years or so have resulted in some divergent evolution between the two, but the similarities and ethno-cultural ties outnumber the differences. You're being insensitive to that, understandably but not acceptably.

So far, Ma is right on what to do. Let's deal with economics first and even leave this deeper question of reunification or independence for the future. Both (even most) sides have voiced support for this line of thinking, time and time again.

hour tickle:

A group wedding has been planned for 39 couples of lovers from across the Taiwan Strait in early November, organizers said here Wednesday.

The couples would be selected from online applicants from across the strait, Liao Zhonghao, a spokesman with the Guangdong Shuangxi Cultural Communication Company, one of the organizers, said at a launching ceremony of the event.

According to the schedule, selected couples from Taiwan would be invited to tour Beijing and Hangzhou, two major tourist attractions on the mainland, in September, while those from the mainland would also be able to visit Taiwan for free in November, he said.

A group wedding would then be held for the couples beside the Sun Moon Lake, a renowned tourist destination in Taiwan, he said.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-07/09/content_8515827.htm

WHahahaha.. that reminds me those famous Aum sect wedings.

Its realy strange to see how cheap are humans in China.

Kai:

@ Pro-Taiwan:

You're right about the polarization of Taiwan politics. I agree with you there and I do think they engage in a lot of tit-for-tat ridiculousness and the major point being that everyone has to take responsibility. If the people in Taiwan hated being under Chen, they can blame themselves for voting him in a second time even as they blame China for escalating missles along the Strait. Either way, the beauty of a democratic system is that no one is blame-less as it is always about one's will to use one's voice and one's influence.

For the record, I think Chen did so many things antagonizing mainland China that allowing him to bolster Taiwan's military would've only created more problems. Had Chen not pursued a vocal agenda that was in such stark contradiction to what others in Taiwan were for, he might've had more success in that area. We have to understand and acknowledge the concept of using your right hand to rob your left.

Michael Turton:

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The reason that bigwigs like Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley have put the brakes on the sale is this: With the election of Ma Ying-jeou as Taiwan’s president, Taiwan and China have their first real chance in eight years to improve ties. The United States is worried that a big arms sales package is going to throw a spanner in the works and give China an excuse to sulk – something the mandarins in Beijing so love to do.
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This interpretation is completely wrong. The Bush Administration is using this as an excuse.

The "arms freeze" long predates Ma's election, dating back to 2006 when the F-16s were first requested and probably even earlier, given the way the US was helping to exacerbate the weapons purchase problems Taiwan was having domestically. The US Navy set the purchase price for the submarines at 4 times the going world rate, making them unpalatably expensive, and refused to give Taiwan and co-manufacturing on the projects, resulting in a bipartisan missive signed by over 130 Taiwan legislators asking for local co-production. The US also refused to sell Taiwan the license for the plans for the subs it was paying for! The result was that the KMT-controlled legislature had plenty of ammo to sound reasonable in preventing Taiwan from acquiring the arms package via special budget.

The Bush administration has conveniently seized upon the election as a cover story for what is actually a de facto freeze dating back several years.

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Under the previous president, Chen Shui-bian, the Pentagon was confronted with the worst of both worlds: a Taiwanese president determined to irritate Beijing who at the same time did nothing to improve Taiwan’s military. Everyone hopes that Ma will do exactly the opposite: improve ties with China while building Taiwan’s military. Peace with strength.
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This comment is even more ridiculous. There is not a whit of support for the claim that "Chen did nothing to improve Taiwan's military." The exact opposite is the case.

Let's see:

administratively, the DPP re-organized the military, made it politically nuetral (it had been a state-within-a-state and the procurement system was enormously corrupt). A civilian was put in charge of the ministry of defense, and the military was put under a civilian chain of command.

weapons-wise, the DPP acquired billions in military hardware. As a CRS report noted:

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"From worldwide sources, including the United States, Taiwan received $13.9 billion in arms deliveries in the eight-year period from 1998 to 2005. Taiwan ranked 3rd (behind Saudi Arabia and China) among leading recipients that are developing countries. Of that total, Taiwan received $9.8 billion in arms in 1998-2001 and $4.1 billion in 2002-2005. In 2005 alone, Taiwan ranked 6th and received $1.3 billion in arms deliveries, while the PRC ranked 5th and received arms valued at $1.4 billion. As an indication of future arms acquisitions, Taiwan’s arms agreements in 2002- 2005 totaled $4.9 billion. The value of Taiwan’s arms agreements in 2005 alone did not place it among the top ten recipients that are developing countries."
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So in the three years between 2002 and 2005 Taiwan did nothing to improve its military although it received 4.1 billion dollars in arms deliveries! Despite the hoopla over the special arms purchases, the regular budget continues to be spent and the military continues to modernize. The highly publicized weapons purchases are in a separate budget and thus deliberately controversial, as I expect the Defense Minister intended when he packaged them this way.

In research, the DPP initiated a number of new weapons programs, and further enriched its intel links with Japan (that's all I am saying about that). The Hsiung Feng cruise missile came into development and the legislature has finally restored the budget for it. A number of other programs also were brought to fruition or continued.

Speaking for myself, it is absolutely infuriating that people who are supposed to know things can't take the time to Google before writing. Again and again I find people spouting this nonsense that a five minute internet search could dispel. Anyone could have found extensive material on the DPP's reform and modernization programs, as well as on its military purchases from abroad, and a number of thoughtful analyses of them in the Jamestown Briefs, Defense News, and other places.

Finally, it should be noted that Chen "irritated" China for the same reason Benes irritated Hitler -- because he wanted to live in a free and independent state. "Being provoked" is a policy choice for China, not a visceral reaction, one it uses to paint the former corporate lawyer Chen Shui-bian as a "radical" while manipulating the international media. The true irritants and radicals are the Chinese who constantly threaten to plunge the region into war to annex an island that no ethnic Chinese emperor ever controlled, and which the PRC has never owned.

Michael Turton
The View from Taiwan

FCNL:

Arms Sales to Taiwan

The stated purpose of the proposed sale is to discourage potential Chinese aggression and thereby ensure peace across the Taiwan Strait. The deal resulted from a 2001 Department of Defense review which concluded that Taiwan needs to boost its naval capabilities to continue to deter the People’s Republic of China (PRC). The PRC maintains that force may be necessary to bring about unification between Taiwan and the mainland.

The most expensive--and provocative--element of the proposed agreement is the U.S. promise to deliver eight diesel submarines to extend Taiwan’s naval capability.

The Taiwan Relations Act (TRA) has governed U.S. policy toward Taiwan since 1979, when the United States normalized relations with the PRC. In addition to an assurance to maintain “extensive, close, and friendly commercial, cultural, and other relations” with Taiwan, the TRA commits the U.S. “to provide Taiwan with arms of a defensive character and to maintain the capacity of the United States to resist any resort to force or other forms of coercion that would jeopardize the security, or the social or economic system, of the people on Taiwan.”

The recent thaw in Taiwan-PRC relations following the decisions to allow direct flights between mainland China and Taiwan for the Chinese New Year is encouraging. It demonstrates that there are better methods to achieve peace and stability than introducing more weapons into the region. The U.S. should follow suit and uphold its TRA commitment to maintain peace across the Taiwan Strait through means other than arms sales. In doing so, it will also be honoring the 1982 communiqué commitment to reduce arms sales to Taiwan.

http://www.fcnl.org/issues/item_print.php?item_id=1297&issue_id=105

BB:

Taiwan is an independent country.
Tibet is occupied territory.

Eventually the truth will penetrate even the facts-challenged Chinese mainland.

I am a Chinese Thug:

To all you mindless yahoos: A (UN)Truthful Chinese, Anonymous, Pro-Taiwan and the rest of you DDTs, opps that's DPP(P as in Pissed), CCP and all your Green and Red Headed ruffians reading this articles.

Stop embarrassing yourselves and your countrymen by spewing out foot in mouth pothering and misplaced nationalistic venom.

Instead, I dare you guys go to ‘Second Life’ and duke it out there in simulation and practice all the dim-witted theories and vent your venomous angers . It just might give you guys a second life! And a better life for the rest of us. At lease then we can be spared of all the bad writings (still not sure which are worse: bad Karaoke singing or this).

Have a nice day...

One-China:

President Ma Meets Delegation from National Committee on US-China Relations

"President Ma said that he realizes everyone is very concerned about topics related to Taiwan's security and ability to defend itself. In the wake of an improvement in relations between Taiwan and Mainland China, these are matters of interest not only to the people of Taiwan, but also to the United States, Japan and Europe. As a result, President Ma said he clearly stated his position on these topics in his inauguration address. The president noted that Taiwan will rationalize its defense budget and auquire necessary defensive weaponry with the objective of demonstrating its determination to protect itself. At the same time, however, he stressed that Taiwan will be a peacemaker and will adopt stances that will put other countries in the region at ease. Taiwan will pursue peace and stability in the Taiwan Strait, he said, noting that Taiwan's improvement in relations with Mainland China will first begin in the realm of economics and will gradually progress to seeking more international space for Taiwan. Ultimately, he said that the two sides in the future could discuss a peace treaty.

President Ma also said that Taiwan and the United States have a deep relationship, which stretches beyond economics. He said that the United States is the main destination for many Taiwan students who seek to study abroad and that Taiwan hopes to continue to maintain this close relationship. In mentioning the presidential election held here in March, President Ma said that the opinion expressed that moved him the most was made by US President George W. Bush, who wrote in his congratulatory letter that Taiwan is a beacon of democracy to Asia and the world."

http://www.president.gov.tw/en/prog/news_release/document_content.php?id=1105499732&pre_id=1105499732&g_category_number=145&category_number_2=145

Pro-Taiwan:

To Kai,

The main I was trying to make was to correct the message that President wasn't doing anything to improve Taiwan's millitary. It is just wrong to make the accusation when Chen submited the arms bill to Legislature for over 60 times. And to elaborate, the request of the weapons(submarines, destroyers, etc) actually goes back to KMT days but then President Clinton did not approved the request. Therefore, KMT has disgrace themselves for reqesting the weapons and then decides to reject just because DPP is in power when the approval took place.
It is unfortunate to see the polarization in Taiwan politics and that everything appears to be a zero sum game. Don't blame just the DPP for not trying to work with KMT. The KMT did not to work with DPP either.
Yes DPP lost the recent election and have themselves to blame for that(mostly scandal related). And I'm not whining DPP lost the power but rather President Chen should be given credit to trying to improve Taiwan's milliary and to say he did not is just wrong.

Richard Detsch:

Hello I am a Dartmouth Engineering student and I am working on the China Taiwan scenario as part of my Thesis. I believe the Bush administration is brilliant and that we are definitely blessed to have awesome folks like {Rice, Hill, R. Bush and Negroponte}, Gob-bless you folks. There is definitely an imbalance in power between China and Taiwan and Ma will have to navigate the waters carefully in thawing the ice between the two countries and timing is everything. The Chinese are very sensitive to events whether they are natural disasters, important holidays or international in nature. They are also very observant of what is said and when it is said. Therefore one of or a combination of two things will have to happen (1) China will have to make statement at least implying rejection of use of force with reasonable condition and the decrease of offensive weapons across the strait (2) Taiwan will have to purchase/make reasonable defensive weapons to help mitigate that imbalance in force. But the big thing is a healthy and happy relationship between China and Taiwan and having them solve the Strait problem in their own timing peacefully. I hope and pray for the best.
~richard s. detsch

Cheng:

"Tibetan freedom torch" arrives on Taiwan's summit

"A Tibetan Freedom Torch Relay culminated at dawn on Sunday when the torch was lit on Taiwan’s highest mountain.

Jade Mountain is located at a similar latitude to the Himalayas, holy mountains for Tibetans.

Several pro-Tibetan NGOs and Tibetan expatriates expressed their hopes to end years of exile."

http://english.rti.org.tw/Content/GetSingleNews.aspx?ContentID=60943

JT:

"Should the United States be selling weapons to Taiwan now that Taiwan and China are getting closer?"

How come you didn't answer that question directly yourself, John? Don't want to come off the fence?

A Truthful Chinese:

Kai: @ A Truthful Chinese:

You sound like a war-mongering American that thinks he's fighting the good fight. You're being honest with your feelings, but you're not making any friends with that sort of counterproductive talk. You want peace and unity? Stop threatening war.

To Kai In Return of the above words:

I am not threatening wars. According to the current attitude of the west, the war is unavoidable. Do you know how easy to provoke Chinese to fight a war, just a flag raised in Taiwan or Tibet that backed by some bad western peoples. (Communist Party deals with such issues so severely that they are so afraid they would lose control and such thing happens, that whole Chinese population would jump in it, which means their days of reigning is done!)

As Confucius say, when the nation leader does not have wisdom and righteousness, his nation should be governed by the strict political rules as of fire; fire is wild and grave, when people see it are very easy to get afraid, so only a few would die of it. But if the government gives a lightweight rules as of water, then many will play with in, once the problem grows into an uncontrollable matter, then a lot of people would die from it.

And every war is bad. Some wars that you are forced to fight, as of Civil Wars, WWII, Korean Wars, and Wars for unity and peace.

No war is good, what is good about killing people?

War is solution for those who hold no solution, some wars they know they may lose, they still must fight, as soldier to protect his country, Mom to protect her son.

If talks could really solve all the problem, then why people choose to fight a war, to die? I hope we never fight war, and I don't even watch boxing.

No one wants a war or welcomes a war, but there are things that only war could solve it, and like a few bad people in this wicked world everywhere set fires in other people's house, they should be punished, if not by people through war, then by anger of God which is also a war.

On war, we Chinese do not try to be in a good name or dress well like others, but by a simple and quick fashion, and we are not a people that love to set out army everywhere outside China, but just to protect our border, that our past generations would not die in vain, nor we leave traitor name and future problem seeds to our young generation. we do not welcome war as we try to avoid death, but everyone will die, and if we have no other choice but to fight, then let each our death weights as mountain.

Yeah, they may call us any name they want to, we do not mind; whether evil, devil, pigs, hogs, Soviet, or Nazi...
compare to them we have much endurance, and our people lust for goodness, but, if we are really pushed against wall by them with these separation issues, we'd rather accomplish our belief and go to hell with them in style.

What is wrong about being bad? Anyway we are the worst people in their mind, jests, words, on their daily papers, on their TV, in their movie... some of their people even say we were the forces of Armageddons, if even their god says that, then we have no choice but to achieve it by the higher order, so this way their god is always right. No?

Making friends?
My friends don't rob my family; my brothers don't break down our own house; Good neighbors don't set fire in our house and tell the whole street that we burn our own children.

Is the western trade can buy our land or will?
Is the voting seat of UN could trade Tibet?
Are the missiles and aircrafts could protect Taiwan Independence?
Whoever think the Chinese are that weak, he's wrong.

They don't know what is the true power, they think their guns are the true power, then they are nothing but robbers. I oppose them!

Our 3 generations experienced the worst and gravest time of Chinese history, but we've walked here independently.

If the western weak union really forces Chinese too hard, we walk off the UN table, stop the show.
The earth without anyone or all of us, still rolls!

Those wicked schemes and cheap foreign politic talks are not useful at all when we sitting on the table and trying to devour each others day by day in hundred years. As Chinese we have seen that a lot!

In the end, God punishes those who break other people's house.

Ps. Don't think everything is talkable!
Do you commenting with the husband after raping his wife, say: "Your wife has beautiful body!"
Some talks are to pick a blood fight.

TW:

Chinese dissidents demand right to live in Taiwan

"The dissidents said they fled to Taiwan after serving prison terms ranging from three to nine years in China because of their opposition to the Communist Party of China's totalitarian rule."

http://www.chinapost.com.tw/taiwan/china-taiwan%20relations/2008/07/02/163552/Chinese-dissidents.htm

Kai:

@ A Truthful Chinese:

You sound like a war-mongering American that thinks he's fighting the good fight. You're being honest with your feelings, but you're not making any friends with that sort of counterproductive talk. You want peace and unity? Stop threatening war.

@ Ronald:

China is also one of the world's largest arms merchants and traders. Don't be naive.

@ Anonymous, Pro-Taiwan, maybe Inka:

You sound like the Greens in Taiwan, often just as ridiculous and shrill as the propagandists in China. You guys really haven't figured out when and how to use fear versus hope, have you?

The fact that Chen Shui Bian, a democratically elected President, could not get along with a democratically elected Legislature should demonstrate that he couldn't get the job done in the interests of the democratic Taiwanese people. Before you guys blame the KMT Legislature, why don't you ask yourself the hard question of why you guys couldn't gain control of it, you know, to make everything go smoother...if indeed the initiatives and rational of Chen Shui Bian were so irrefutably noble and beneficial to the interests of the people.

Taiwan is de facto sovereign, whether China likes it or not and whether or not you want to twist it to promote your agenda. Yes, the complicated historical geo-political situation means Taiwan doesn't get the technical recognition it may desire, but damn, history sucks, doesn't it? Stop whining about sovereignty and go work on creating a mandate for your agenda because right now, THERE ISN'T ANY. Chen Shui Bian wasn't protecting Taiwan's sovereignty, he was promoting Taiwan independence. These are two qualitatively different things with qualitatively different consequences. To the KMT's credit, along with the more intelligent PRC central leaders, they're happy to let the future decide the issue of potential reunification. In the meantime, they all just want to deal with more pressing, practical issues like making money and living a happy life.

The DPP lost Taiwan because they couldn't deliver on what mattered to the people. Blame the KMT all you want, but ultimately the DPP can blame no one but themselves for not being able to make things happen. That's real-world politics. Get used to it. The KMT lost power and regained it. If the DPP can offer a better message than whiny insistence and a better hope than the KMT, they can regain power to. Please, grow up.

@ Inka:

LoL, "divide and conquer." Wow, such melodramatic words. Aren't you forgetting that Taiwan has historically ALREADY been divided on the issue of its relationship with mainland China? Oh, sure, it's evolved over time from proclamations of retaking mainland China to insisting that we don't sit with thieves, and gradually accepting that they'll never retake China and it'll be best for everyone involved that we all just go back to the table as brothers who had a family feud in the past.

Did you nod your head in agreement when Bush scared America into invading Iraq? You two sound awfully similar. "In no time" Hah.

Karman:

The previous post is a bit scary. I wonder if he is really Chinese as he says he is.

Anyway, Mr. Pomfret, have you take into account of the now close economic relationship between China and the US that might have changed US thinking on choosing sides in the Taiwan Strait?

I've a distinct feeling in the last 2 years, part of the US establishment has concluded the Taiwan cause is lost. China is the only game in town.

I'm talking about US interests in China: US banks, GE, GM, Coca Cola, MacDonald's, KFC, Nike, NBA, on and on. No country is better positioned to benefit from China's rise than the US.

Forget about Taiwan. Put Japan in. The US and China still have a more mutually beneficial relationship.

A Truthful Chinese:

To My Dear Inka:

You have no idea about the Taiwan's urgency.

If Taiwan reduce their arm shopping, China would never liberate Taiwan by force, and both Communism party and Taiwan government could solve the problem on the table, in the party, or even in the bed, and the people of Taiwan will gain all their benefits and rights of their political freedom and economical freedom, as long as Mainland and Taiwan under one flag as symbol.

But what the unavoidable disaster is for Taiwan government, which seeking any way of separation effort, then, for an example, if Taiwan in any way declare Independence, or in future under an outsider's influence that gives Mainland China doubt that Mainland China wold lose control of Taiwan, then I guarantee you, the flag of Taiwan's Independence raises in the morning, the massive attack will be at night. Even the Communist Party would not want a war, all of Mainland Chinese will.

Have you heard Mr. George Bush's excuse about him attending the Olympic? "I do not want to bring disrespect to Chinese People."

There are only two ways to solve Taiwan's problem:
1) After a long term stand, Mainland Chinese and Taiwan government seek a economical, political and military union, the name is one, the rest are to forget.
2) Taiwan government out their head, acclaim Independence, then the liberation war will not take 1 week, after, Taiwanese would lose both their economical and political freedom.

You have to look at the matter clearly, Taiwan's problem is Chinese problem, never related to the Chinese government, just like Tibet.

You people do not know, no any party or any individual or group of people in China dare to give such permission to allow any part of China to be independent. if the current so called 'Communist Party' wants to sell Taiwan or Tibet, then they will be overthrown within a very short time.

Communist Party is a product of Chinese Nationalists, the party fought KMT, Korean war against US, they are not afraid of any governments or military; they opened China door in 1980s, they can also close the door anytime; but if they dare to sell Taiwan or Tibet, the day they sign the doc, will be their dooms day.

20 year before, you and the world were dealing with the Communist Party; Now, you have to learn the new lesson to deal with 'the Chinese' whether other people call us pigs or hogs or laundry men.

Be our friend, you will enjoy our cheap labor, and we can also slave for your currency as long as the world wants to; but if you dare to separate or divide our land property, read our history, Chinese are people of peace and harmony, but for unity, we never lack of war and will win every war. Thru History, every Chinese war was raised first by Separation, then by Unity.

For individual matter, we endure with any embarrassment; but for a big picture, every Chinese can be accountable. We are soft as water, but no any hard rocks would stand against us.

That is why to Chinese, Peace and Unity is the first, human rights and democracy come the second. And we know which to build first. If human rights and democracy hurts out peace and unity, we can forget about human rights and democracy, because Peace and Unity are reachable term to pursue, human rights and democracy are terms of concept depends on how people interpret. Another word, any party and people are welcome and our friend, as long as he does not divide China.

Another example:
If tomorrow, Alaska claims to be out of union of United States of America, What US government would do, Can you imagine how many American faithfuls would grab their licensed guns to fight a war? At that time, do they sit down calmly and say: "Well, we are the people of human rights and democracy, lets think about it first. Maybe those Alaskans and people who live in Alaska do have a good reason to break off from US?"

Another example:
What if I break your backyard wall with one of your neighbors, and build a new wall, and say to you: "well, I happened to use and dwell at this yard for over 50 years now." And ask you or strongly suggest you to sign my property right to give your backyard permanently to me. What would you do and how would you react? There is no need for you to think. Your action is the best answer.

Chien Shui Bian is an idiot, your current president is a wise one, he leads Taiwan people away from fire. If Taiwan peaceful solves the problem with Communist Party, then it is bless for all Chinese people.

But Taiwan people would want to be independent, immigrate your love ones elsewhere first, and then you can do it as long as your family won't die in Taiwan.

There are some westerners they just want Chinese to kill each other anyway, but if you are a Chinese and somehow think Taiwan or Tibet even had a chance to break off, then you are a pure idiot. And if the whole really set a stage for Chinese to kill each other, then we have no way but to give them a good show. (The enemy of Chinese already finds out our weakness. They know, Chinese must fight for this issue, and so then after it, they will sit on their wall and enjoy their loot. But God is not on their side, Chinese obtain favors now as current reality. Those bad people's scheme is drown in water as time goes.)

The separation issue is the matter of life and death to Chines, to any country, as of war. I am not to trying to scare you, because most readers live outside Taiwan, so you won't be scared. But one day you stand in front of the passing train, you will feel the screaming wind that blows right at your face, your dear life, ideal of human rights, dream of democracy, concept of independence means nothing to those who coming at you with vengeance of fire, as they desperately to protect their property rights.

We Chinese will become beast, to protect our territory and young ones.

Right now, those who purposely fan fires within us, they still have time, keep playing, if they will not be caught be Chinese, then God bewaites them. Time will tell.

Those who consider Chinese as enemy, they'd better study us well. I am a Chinese, I know Chinese. This is not letter of thread, but a truthful message that deliver to them with anger.

Lets pray there will be no wars among us.

End

Karman:

Here is my take. The US doesn't want to sell and Taiwan doesn't want to buy weapons right now because of bad timing.

Ma Ying-jeou still wants many goodies from China. More direct flights, daily flights, cargo flights, direct shipping, Investment possibility in Mainland banks, Mainland investment in some Taiwan sectors. The list goes on and on.

China holds its cards closely, giving out one by one slowly. When Bush is gone, it will get to the direct daily flights.

Inka:

It is indeed a hypocrisy on the US part to placate China at the expense of Taiwan's democracy. China claims to own Taiwan and so has refused to negotiate with the previous Democratic Progressive Party-led government, which holds a more Taiwan-centric view. Despite repeated calls by the DPP government to start negotiation, Beijing wouldn't bother. China has no jurisdiction over Taiwan and the international community knows that, yet it chooses to kowtow to China. Now that Beijing is warming up to the KMT is just another example of how the Chinese government is doing what it is best at: divide and conquer. If Taiwan doesn't guard and respect its own sovereignty, it will be devoured in no time. What former Preisent Chen Shui-bian did was in Taiwan's best interest, and too bad that few people realize that. And that the internatioal media simplify the issue by labeling him as independece-minded and therefore harms Taiwan's international relations only exposes their general ignorance.

Andrew:

Was it really a question of Chen irritating Beijing or was it a question of Beijing choosing to be irritated in order to jump on the ultra nationalist band wagon in order to divert the attention of the Chinese public away from domestinc issues? From my point of view in many ways the "Taiwan issue" should be rephrased as the "relevancy of the C.C.P issue". As lets face it the P.R.C. is communist in name only in reality from what I have seen the P.R.C. is really a place of extreme capitalist exploitation of the lowly paid workers lacking powers and rights. So ruling mandate of the so called C.C.P can no longer be justified on the basis of a social revolution nor can it be justified on the basis of democratic selection. So they are no attempting to prop up their mandate by promoting mythical ultra-nationalism. I say mythical because anyone rational individual would know the line "Taiwan has been an inalieable part of China since ancient times" has no basis what so ever in reality and is part of mythical image of a "sacred eternal motherland that only the C.C.P can protect".

Pro-Taiwan:

Like to make a couple of points:

First, President Chen did not do nothing to improved Taiwan's millitary. When Bush approved to sell the $11b weapons package, President Chen has submitted the bill to the legislature for approval for over 60 times! It got rejected and did not even make it to agenda. The article should pointed out that it was KMT who did not to purchase the weapons and now the KMT is asking the Bush Administration to freeze the selling of weapons to Taiwan. These are the facts.
Second, President wasn't trying to irrate china. It is China who has tried to humiliate Taiwan in the worst way possible. Therefore, in order to fight for survival, President Chen had to do something to protect the sovereignty of Taiwan. It is an hypocrisy on US to promote freedom around the world while trying undermining the democracy in Taiwan just to placate China. An absolute disgrace!

Anonymous:

Saying that Chen Shui-bian was determined to irritate Beijing is just looking the other way and shows your clear bias in this article. Chen Shui-bian was determined to promote cross-strait policies while maintaining Taiwan's sovereignty. Furthermore, military expansion and increasing of the budget was delayed because of the KMT controlled legislative.

Ronald :

That is why people call the US the largest arm merchant in the world. The country is run by military industrial complex. Creating political and military tension around the world, serves two purposes:
1. Sell more arms no matter what the consequences are.
2. To preserve the military dominance of the US.

Do they care about Taiwanese/Chinese.
Of course, not.
Look at what happened to the Iraqi civilians who are paying the ultimate price for US occupation of their country with their lives; 200,000+ civilians death and 4 milns+ in exile.
Did anyone from the US show any sympathy. Of course not. Shame on you guys.

Donald:

People's Liberation Army have been and will against any arms sell to Taiwan, but they may not necessary want to cut off the arms sell completely. If Taiwan does not have advanced weapons, where is the justification for growing Chinese military budget?

Donald:

People's Liberation Army have been and will against any arms sell to Taiwan, but they may not necessary want to cut off the arms sell completely. If Taiwan does not have advanced weapons, where is the justification for growing Chinese military budget?

Stallone:

Nation's armed forces must still be ready: Ma

"President Ma Ying-jeou says Taiwan needs to retain a robust military capability if it is to negotiate with China from a position of strength.

President Ma said his government would continue to purchase defensive weapons if necessary to show Taiwan's resolve to defend itself in the event of attack.

An opposition lawmaker said that while Taiwan and China have agreed to cross-strait flights, China at the same time is continuing to upgrade its arsenal of missiles targeting Taiwan."

http://english.rti.org.tw/Content/GetSingleNews.aspx?ContentID=60724

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