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U.S.-China's Rocky Road Ahead

It's pretty clear that one of the singular successes of the Bush administration's foreign policy is the U.S. relationship with China. Bush came into power calling China a "strategic competitor." But, like all presidents over the last three decades, when it came to China, he changed. Buffeted by events, especially the EP-3 incident during which a Chinese jet fighter crashed into a U.S. reconnaissance plane and, of course, 9/11, which rewrote America's strategic map, Bush has embraced a cool-headed policy toward Beijing.

Ironically, in this he has been helped along by the often bizarre and occasionally downright silly antics of Taiwan's president at the time, Chen Shui-bian. Chen's strategically goofy habit of continually and unnecessarily irritating China at every turn helped push Bush further and further away from his party's historical support for Taiwan. Things got so bad that at one point, Bush criticized Chen while standing next to China's premier Wen Jiabao. At least in my recollection, that's something no American president had ever done.

But what next for U.S.-China relations? What does the future hold? Would an Obama- or a McCain-led White House change the bipartisan consensus that was essentially worked out by Nixon and Kissinger in the mid-70s and, with tweaks here and there, has stayed pretty much consistent until today? Or are these "agents of change" going to change U.S.-China relations, too?

Two answers:

In the short-term, Bush could be handing his successor a real problem that could rock U.S.-China ties early next year. The Taiwanese government wants to buy a large package of arms from the United States. But the sale, which would include 30 Apache helicopters, 60 Black Hawk helicopters, eight diesel-electric submarines and four Patriot air defense missile batteries, has been delayed. According to a report by the Post's Glenn Kessler, the administration has also refused to accept a "letter of request" from Taiwan for 66 F-16 C/D fighters - which would cost an additional $5 billion.

The reasons for the delay? One explanation was that everything was put on hold so that Bush could go to Beijing for the Olympics and not have a multi-billion dollar arms package ruin his fun. But the Olympics are over and still there's no action. Another reason, however, is that some administration officials figure that with the election of Ma Ying-jeou as Taiwan's president, Taiwan and China have their first real chance in eight years to improve ties. The United States is worried that a big arms sales package is going to throw a spanner in the works and give China an excuse to sulk - something the mandarins in Beijing so love to do.

The problem with that logic, however, is that after a little honeymoon since Ma's election in March, a lot of people in Taiwan are beginning to turn against the president and his relatively friendly policies toward China. He's caved on several issues: Taiwan wanted a PRC-Taiwan air charter service to include cargo. China initially said yes but in the end agreed only to passengers. Taiwan has significantly downgraded its infamous checkbook diplomacy and fight for a U.N. seat. Now it says it just wants to participate in international organizations where its participation would make sense, like the World Health Organization. China still has not moved to allow Taiwan that limited diplomatic space. In the face of China's recalcitrance, then, the failure so far of Ma to get these weapons is being framed in Taiwan as another sign that his softer face towards China is being taken for granted not only in Beijing but in Washington as well.

If Bush doesn't act on the sale by October, he's going to hand this problem to the next president. And I have little doubt that the arms, at least some of them, are going to be sold. The question is: Does Bush deal with it in an outgoing administration, or leave a hand-grenade for the next one?

In the long-term, however, I am relatively optimistic that McCain or Obama will maintain U.S.-China ties on a relatively even keel. Obama has never been to China, according to a campaign spokesman. McCain's campaign declined to answer two queries by email. However, both men have adults advising them on the issues - Jeffrey Bader and Richard Bush for Obama, and Mike Green for McCain. (I initially said Richard Armitage but have been informed that he's not officially with the campaign.) None of the presidential advisers is a bomb thrower. And that's a good thing.

Also, both Obama and McCain say they are committed to dealing with climate change as a major plank in the next administration. And what better way to further tie China's fate to ours than by engaging the Chinese on this issue? The only way China will embrace the fight against global warming is if we do. And they've got to, for the health and well-being of their 1.3 billion and for the rest of us as well.

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Comments (167)

Anonymous:

US worships Liberty and Democracy; Individualism.
China cares about Unity and Peace; Common Values.

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thats biggest Bulls-hit ever!

Anonymous:

To Lols,

Don't be serious.

To Western people that politic is more like sports.

Every country has problem, can you believe the US government would not put army in Southwest region where the hurricane IKE just passed, that looters started their robbing jobs freely, and in the end that common residents have to purchase guns to protect themselves and their property. True story on the TV news.

This is a great country, with liberty and human rights, but their citizens life and property cannot be protected by this kind of government, and in the end people themselves have to shoot gun to protect their own.

Can you believe this ever happen in China, those looters will be all put in jail.

US worships Liberty and Democracy; Individualism.
China cares about Unity and Peace; Common Values.

Lols:

China has a lot problem,but we are solving problem. The oversight officials are demoted and the mercenary businessmen are being hunted.Is this wrong? The country has been improving and progressing.It is great to discuss those issues,but I cannot see what's the pleasure of gloaters here.

Today,in China,media have been playing a very positive role in exposing problems.It is funny to see that some outside people slander all media in China are government's mouthpiece. Without those media's role of watchdog,who knows those problem? As such,it is not that this society is going downward,rather it is the media's transparency improved and the country is mending problems once they surface .

Anonymous:

日本商人銷售毒米事件愈鬧愈大,政府公布涉嫌將致癌工業用大米當作食米售賣及流通的商舖,多達375家。日本傳媒昨報道,其中一家涉案米商的老闆,於周二晚在寓所上吊身亡。

有問題的大米,是從中國及越南進口,被驗出含有超標5倍的農藥及致癌物質黃麴毒素後,原本被列為工業用米,供商人購買作為工業用黏合劑材料,但有不法米商卻以低價購入,再以高價轉售予多家商舖,作為食用米,用來做糕點等食品

नई दिल्ली, जागरण संवाददाता। राजधानी में हुए सीरियल धमाकों के बाद भले ही जिंदगी की गाड़ी ने एक फिर पटरी पर दौड़ना शुरू कर दिया हो। लेकिन, करोलबाग के बीडनपुरा इलाके को देखकर यही लगता है कि मानों समय ठहर सा गया हो। बीडनपुरा की गली संख्या 42 में हादसे के शिकार हुए लोगों के परिजनों के आंसू थमने का नाम नहीं ले रहे हैं।

अपनों की यादें उन्हें रह-रह कर सिसकियां लेने के लिए मजबूर कर देती हैं। हादसे का मंजर कितना भयावह था इसका अंदाजा इस बात से लगाया जा सकता है कि ब्लास्ट में पीड़ित लोग अभी भी घटना को याद करके सिहर उठते हैं। धमाकों में घायल एक पीड़ित के अनुसार हादसे के दृश्य अभी भी मेरी आंखों से ओझल नहीं हो रहे हैं। उस दिन मैं गली के बाहर स्थित पेड़ के पास खड़ा था तभी एक जोरदार धमाका हुआ। धमाके के बाद जब आंख खुली तो देखा चारों तरफ लाशें पड़ी हैं और जख्मी लोग सहायता के लिए चीख रहे हैं। यह देख मै एक बार फिर बेहोश हो गया, फिर मुझे नहीं पता यहां क्या हुआ।

यह गुनाह भगवान के पाले में मत डालो हादसे में गंभीर रूप से घायल बयोवृद्ध गुलाब सिंह के मुताबिक हर कोई उससे आकर यही कहता है कि 'भगवान के लिखे को कौन बदल सकता है।' पर उनका कहना है कि 'नहीं भगवान ने कुछ नहीं लिखा है, और न ही भगवान ने कुछ किया है। यह तो हमारी कमजोर सरकार और उसकी कमजोरी के चलते देश में पनप रहे आतंकवाद का सिला है।' इसलिए कृपा करके यह गुनाह भगवान के पाले में मत डालो।

इलाज के लिए करनी पड़ रही है खासी जद्दोजहद

Anonymous:

China said on Wednesday a third infant had died after drinking contaminated milk and the number sick had leapt to many thousands, while an official said the health threat was concealed for at least a month.

The number of children ill after drinking powdered milk laced with the compound melamine had risen nearly five-fold to 6,244, and those with “acute kidney failure” had reached 158, Health Minister Chen Zhu told a news conference.

The escalating scandal triggered a recall of exports, sacking of officials and detention of a sacked company executive.

“China’s dairy industry has been pushed to the brink of outright crisis,” said Li Zhiqi, a Beijing-based consultant who works with dairy companies.

A government probe announced on Tuesday showed a fifth of 109 dairy producers checked made batches of products adulterated with melamine, which is banned from use in foods.

Earlier this week, officials said 1,253 children were ill and two had died after the country’s biggest baby milk powder maker, the Sanlu Group, last week revealed its products contained melamine, which can be used to bamboozle milk quality checks.

Melamine is rich in nitrogen, used to measure protein, and so can be used to disguise diluted milk. It can cause kidney stones and other organ problems. Four suppliers have so far been arrested for selling melamine-laced milk to Sanlu.

The scare has rippled beyond the nation’s borders with China’s quality watchdog saying two producers were recalling milk powder exported to Yemen, Bangladesh, Myanmar, Gabon and Burundi. Officials did not say whether those exports were contaminated.

Taiwan, the self-governed island claimed by China, issued a ban on all dairy products from 22 mainland companies.

China’s products have suffered repeated scandals involving toxins and flaws in recent years, and this is not the first involving melamine, usually used to make plastics, fertilisers and cleaning products. In 2007, the US government found pet food ingredients from China tainted with melamine.

The new scare, with claims of an official cover-up, has again shaken investor and consumer confidence. Sanlu was was among seven dairy companies counted so safe it was excused from normal government quality checks.

Facing widespread public alarm, minister Chen urged hospitals to prevent further deaths.

“As far as possible, minimise the harm to infants’ health from the contaminated milk powder,” he said.

China is the world’s second-biggest market for baby milk powder, and Sanlu has long dominated it. Based in Shijiazhuang, capital of the north Chinese province of Hebei, it is 43 percent owned by New Zealand dairy giant Fonterra.

Sanlu last week halted production and announced a big recall. But officials acted only after the New Zealand government pressed Beijing, New Zealand Prime Minister Helen Clark said on Monday.

Yang Chongyong, a vice governor of Hebei, said on Wednesday that Shijiazhuang officials had delayed reporting the poisonings throughout August - when Beijing was hosting the Olympic Games.

“It should be said that the Shijiazhuang government did not announce to society in a timely way this major food safety incident,” Yang told reporters. “...they have a major responsibility.”

Sanlu kept quiet even longer, Yang said.

“We know that before they reported the problem to the Shijiazhuang government on Aug. 2 they had already covered up many of the facts,” he said.

Fonterra chief executive Andrew Ferrier defended his company from criticism that it should have gone public sooner.

“They (Chinese officials) were clear about how they wanted to proceed on this recall,” he said. Sanlu’s tests for threats did not include melamine, he added. reuters

“You do the best you can and sometimes something like this (happens) whether you like it or not. If somebody breaks the law and puts poison chemical in the product, we’re all vulnerable to that.”

On Chinese trading websites, the substance can be found selling for around 10,000 yuan ($1,460) a tonne.

The other offending companies include Beijing Olympics sponsor Inner Mongolia Yili Industrial Group and Hong Kong-listed Mengniu Dairy Co Ltd Mengniu Dairy’s stock was suspended on Wednesday, and the company said it plans to recall “unfit” products.

Shares in Yili fell close to their daily limit of 10 percent on Wednesday. In contrast, Hong Kong’s Hang Seng Index slipped 1.7 percent and Shanghai’s composite index slid 3.1 percent.

As in past product safety scandals, the government has responded by sacking junior officials. Police announced they detained the just-fired chairwoman of Sanlu, Tian Wenhua.

Anonymous:

日本商人銷售毒米事件愈鬧愈大,政府公布涉嫌將致癌工業用大米當作食米售賣及流通的商舖,多達375家。日本傳媒昨報道,其中一家涉案米商的老闆,於周二晚在寓所上吊身亡。

有問題的大米,是從中國及越南進口,被驗出含有超標5倍的農藥及致癌物質黃麴毒素後,原本被列為工業用米,供商人購買作為工業用黏合劑材料,但有不法米商卻以低價購入,再以高價轉售予多家商舖,作為食用米,用來做糕點等食品
Japanese Government imported industrial grade rice from Vietnam and China and sold it to several trading company to be used as raw material for glue. However, the trading company sold the darn thing to pastry shops and brewery around the countries. The amount involved was 5000 tons. Japan has to recall some of the wine they shipped to Shanghai.

Anonymous:

A French retailer has withdrawn from sale Chinese-made sofas and armchairs after hundreds of buyers said they developed a painful rash from them, Agence France-Presse reported.

Isabelle Hoppenot, spokeswoman for the French retailer Conforama, said the company removed the items in July after a doctor warned they could be linked to an eczema outbreak in one of his patients. The retailer has sold the sofas and chairs since 2005.

Hoppenot said some of the furniture, made by Chinese company Link Wise, contained too much of an anti-mold substance that may cause an allergic reaction in some people.

French newspaper Le Parisien said a dozen people had been hospitalized in serious condition after buying the chairs, AFP reported.

Conforama has received complaints from 400 customers seeking damages. Eight hundred buyers have been given a refund or an exchange, Hoppenot said

Anonymous:

Maybe next time you guys amend your constitutions, consult Chinese, to be sure which one should be Human Rights and which one should be Human Wrongs:)

But American are never wrong, only right:)

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...apologist monkey..

@ fool:

Lols:
East Turkestan only exists in a very few demented Uigur terrorists' "heaven".They detonate bomb in bus and market against civilian targets,they stab Uigur policy,they cross border to fight American for their "holy war",the burn the stores to threaten businessman;yet,their proxy beg "freedom" and "human right" from Western countries and raise terrorist funding from dirty politicians and uninformed people.

Look around this world except Middle East. In China,India,Pakistan,Thailand,Indonesia,Russia,Britain....,wherever there are those lunatic jihads, there are bombing,unrest,and cruel killing. Are they all coincidence? Are all countries "Oppressive"?

European "Anonymous", we know it is hard for you to entice people to have sympathy to your cause,so save your breath. You are a darn loser.

You shout out for Tibetan and even for Miao,Yue.....Lol. I tell you here.I am not a Han Chinese.Your claim to me bloodily ridiculous at best.

In Beijing Olympics ceremony,kids in ethnic costume just for convenience in that program. Have you seen Uigur in costume dancing in the opening ceremony? Those girls looks beautiful,unlike your ugly terrorists.Oh,you did not see since you said before the game that you wanted to boycott this show of dictators.

You funny clown,European "Anonymous".Your doublespeak and duplicity speak for everything. Carry on your bashing,mate,until your East Turkestan Terrorists die out in this world.Beside, they are just that few.Pakistan cannot harbor them too long since Pakistan cannot do without the help of China
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you are the biggest and stupidest loser i have ever seen.

Anonymous:

----to bad.. Chinese deserve a same treat like Uighurs in China. a same deserve chinese in USa too. they should be kicked out of USa and their children should be send in a reeducation camp. Because US goverment knows better then their stupid parents. Those children must be raised as an american and not as chinese!----

Don't need. there are many Chinese secondary immigrants serve in US army in Afgan and Iraq, killing the terrorists, you separatists who are backed by those are hunted right now, you see them later. They either dress Chinese uniform or American, either way, they are coming in one purpose, they're coming for you.

Allah said: "Teeth for teeth." Well, they are coming for your teeth.

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soo. you stupid idiot are making own cositizens as islamistsjust because they want better life.. well done idiot, well done..

Anonymous:

Mr. John Pomfret,

Do you want to bet that Chinese college students can list and quote more US historical documents and speeches than American College students?

Do you know what's the future gonna be?
And political classes are requirement in every Chinese university, and almost all of the Chinese college students learn US politics and history now. But in US, the universities become College Football Dormitories, and every US lads can be football coach, are US people going to be a Football Nation?
Like United Football States of America? I beg our kids can recite your Independence and Lincoln and Dr. Luther King's speech, but most of your kids don't even know that Tibet and Taiwan are part of China, when your US people going to teach your kids some real history, instead of second half coaching plan?

I worry for America, that even my lovely 70yr young American neighbor lady loves Football, she got HD and subscribed some weird football channel that instantly shows 4 different angle cameras of her team on one giant screen, I guess that's social security benefit policy, no wonder your old people got anger issues, and most of them get heartburns.

Maybe next time you guys amend your constitutions, consult Chinese, to be sure which one should be Human Rights and which one should be Human Wrongs:)

But American are never wrong, only right:)

NJ:

This is a very good blog. i just wish you would update more often. pick up more issues.

Anonymous:

To European Anonymous,

Please be civilized, give up the bird language of your parents, stop typing your Ancient Archaic bird language here, write in English please. You talk to your birds at home, but here, all are human now.

Anonymous:

So please turn back! Those terrorists and east turk separatists, don't fight for your dream of 72 virgins that Allah prepared for you, Did Allah mentioned to you that He only prepared 72 virgins for all of you to share? What kind of heaven is that?

Why could not you love your wife, and mom that Allah prepared for you on earth? If you can take good care of your life, then how can you know death is better for you? If you die, who would company your wife? your terrorists brothers and friends? who would wipe off your mom's tear? Allah? But Allah brings you into this world to love your wife and take care your mom. Please don't listen to those lunatics.

'Every body wants to rule the world', and good can win 'With or without you', 'Let's stay together' and 'Stay alive' is 'Irreplaceable' and 'Beat it' with your 'Sledgehammer' and 'Surrender' your 'Tears of a Clown' . Even you have 'Heart of glass' but 'I Can't Stop Loving You' and 'I Will Always Love You', 'Yeah!' my 'Vision of love' 'Like a prayer', an 'amazed' 'Smooth' 'Waterfalls' to your 'Satisfaction', lets 'Starting over' our 'Good Vibrations' 'Whatever you like'.

Lols:

East Turkestan only exists in a very few demented Uigur terrorists' "heaven".They detonate bomb in bus and market against civilian targets,they stab Uigur policy,they cross border to fight American for their "holy war",the burn the stores to threaten businessman;yet,their proxy beg "freedom" and "human right" from Western countries and raise terrorist funding from dirty politicians and uninformed people.

Look around this world except Middle East. In China,India,Pakistan,Thailand,Indonesia,Russia,Britain....,wherever there are those lunatic jihads, there are bombing,unrest,and cruel killing. Are they all coincidence? Are all countries "Oppressive"?

European "Anonymous", we know it is hard for you to entice people to have sympathy to your cause,so save your breath. You are a darn loser.

You shout out for Tibetan and even for Miao,Yue.....Lol. I tell you here.I am not a Han Chinese.Your claim to me bloodily ridiculous at best.

In Beijing Olympics ceremony,kids in ethnic costume just for convenience in that program. Have you seen Uigur in costume dancing in the opening ceremony? Those girls looks beautiful,unlike your ugly terrorists.Oh,you did not see since you said before the game that you wanted to boycott this show of dictators.

You funny clown,European "Anonymous".Your doublespeak and duplicity speak for everything. Carry on your bashing,mate,until your East Turkestan Terrorists die out in this world.Beside, they are just that few.Pakistan cannot harbor them too long since Pakistan cannot do without the help of China.

Anonymous:

A CRISE É DOS BANCOS, MAS A SOCIDADE E OS ESTADOS PAGAM PELO PATO QUE NÃO COMPRARAM E NÃO CONSUMIRAM.

A crise é realmente um elo da mesma corrente e lamentavelmente endossada pelos Bancos Centrais e pelas agencia de classificação de riscos e por todos aqueles que ganharam dinheiro desonestamente.

É totalmente injustificável, com tecnologia de ponta para as comunicações online, o mundo continuar sendo tranquilamente controlado pela nociva auto regulamentação dos cartéis.

Talvez na próxima reunião do BIS e do G-20, em São Paulo, em outubro e novembro, surja uma solução definitiva para o controle de ágios, monitoramento correto de comodities e iniciativas que de fato defendam os interesses da sociedade mundial. Parece que os chines já dispoem de um plano e outros países também.

Essa propalada crise não é de ESTADO, mas uma crise localizada no sistema financeiro cartelizado, que fabricou centenas de bilionários em curtissímo prazo e desonestamente. E hoje esses especuladores estão usando o ESTADO PARA GARANTIR A PRIVATIZAÇÃO DE SEUS LUCROS E A SOCIALIZAÇÃO DE PREJUIZOS. E O ESTADO , PARA GARANTIR A CONTINUIDADE DESSES CARTÉIS, MAIS UMA VEZ IRÁ PENALIZAR O POVO INDEFESO QUE NÃO RECEBEU, MAS VAI PERDER BENEFÍCIOS PARA A CONCENTRAÇÃO DE RIQUEZAS.

Anonymous:

----to bad.. Chinese deserve a same treat like Uighurs in China. a same deserve chinese in USa too. they should be kicked out of USa and their children should be send in a reeducation camp. Because US goverment knows better then their stupid parents. Those children must be raised as an american and not as chinese!----

Don't need. there are many Chinese secondary immigrants serve in US army in Afgan and Iraq, killing the terrorists, you separatists who are backed by those are hunted right now, you see them later. They either dress Chinese uniform or American, either way, they are coming in one purpose, they're coming for you.

Allah said: "Teeth for teeth." Well, they are coming for your teeth.

Anonymous:

The Shijiazhuang city government had been notified about the milk powder contamination as early as August 2, the New Zealand stakeholder of the mainland dairy group revealed yesterday....

Anonymous:
Good News.

It is better than their biased parents teaching them how to set bombs to kill others for Allah.

Anonymous:

Malaysia's ruling party has suspended an official who outraged minority ethnic Chinese earlier this week with a racially charged tirade.

Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi also told a news conference Wednesday that authorities will use the law against anyone who stirs racial tensions.

Asked if this could include the use of a law allowing imprisonment without trial, Abdullah said such a provision would be invoked only "if absolutely necessary."

Abdullah earlier announced that the ruling United Malays National Organization had stripped Ahmad Ismail of his post as a district chief in northern Penang state and suspended his party membership for three years.

The party held a special meeting Wednesday to determine how to punish Ahmad, a member of the ethnic Malay majority.

He has rankled the ethnic Chinese community by calling them "immigrants" who want to add political domination to their economic power.

"There are signs of strain in race relations in this country," Abdullah said. "We cannot allow this situation to continue because it could increase tensions and undermine public order. We need to save Malaysia from racial conflicts."

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to bad.. Chinese deserve a same treat like Uighurs in China. a same deserve chinese in USa too. they should be kicked out of USa and their children should be send in a reeducation camp. Because US goverment knows better then their stupid parents. Those children must be raised as an american and not as chinese!

Anonymous:

Anonymous:
Good News.

It is better than their biased parents teaching them how to set bombs to kill others for Allah.

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yeahh.. i wish a same for your children, you stupid piece of trash.

Anonymous:

Good News.

It is better than their biased parents teaching them how to set bombs to kill others for Allah.

Anonymous:

A new wave of arrests is rolling against the Moslem Blacks in the north-west of America according to information received by the Society for Threatened Peoples (GfbV). Family liability is the order of the day and even children are being arrested. "About 150 children have been held for days in the New Jersey prison in the capital of the Autonomous region of New Jersey because they took part in instruction on Islam?, reported the GfbV Asia expert, Ulrich Delius, on Wednesday in Göttingen. More than 1000 Blacks have been arrested since the beginning of the Olympic Games in the towns of Black slum (in Black: Black slum) and Kuga (in Black: Black slum). Blacks had carried out three attacks in August, in which 29 peoples were killed, among them twelve attackers. The GfbV had warned of a new wave of violence in New Jersey and of an increase in the persecution of Blacks.
The 150 children being held aged between eight and 14 years are according to information received by the GfbV threatened with a penalty for "illegal religious activities?. They had been sent by their parents in settlement areas of the Moslem minority of the Black to neighbouring States to attend Koran schools.
This is current practice among the Blacks since Islam instruction in New Jersey /East Turkestan is forbidden by the American authorities. Only ten of the 160 children originally in custody have been freed because their parents were able to produce the sum of more than 2000 euros for their release.
The wave of arrests strikes particularly hard the relatives of the Blacks involved in the attacks. It was not only the parents, two brothers and two sisters of Ehmetjan Tohti, killed in the attack in Black slum on 10th August, who were arrested. Also in custody now are the 30 employees of the supermarket run by his elder sister. Only his younger sister has so far been released. The ten-month baby of the 24-year old and his wife, who was also involved in the attack and killed, has been taken away by the police. Information as to the whereabouts of the child has been refused.
Several internment centres have been set up around the town of Black slum (400,000 inhabitants), to which those arrested have been brought, say eye-witnesses. The freedom of movement of the Black inhabitants has been severely restricted since the attacks. Anyone wanting to leave the town has to pass five or six road-blocks. Police control all visitors to the mosque. The Imam Black Slum was arrested and sentenced last week to life-long imprisonment because one of the attackers came

Anonymous:

A new wave of arrests is rolling against the Moslem Uighurs in the north-west of China according to information received by the Society for Threatened Peoples (GfbV). Family liability is the order of the day and even children are being arrested. "About 150 children have been held for days in the Ba Jia Hu prison in the capital of the Autonomous region of Xinjiang because they took part in instruction on Islam?, reported the GfbV Asia expert, Ulrich Delius, on Wednesday in Göttingen. More than 1000 Uighurs have been arrested since the beginning of the Olympic Games in the towns of Kashi (in Uighur: Kashgar) and Kuga (in Uighur: Kucha). Uighurs had carried out three attacks in August, in which 29 peoples were killed, among them twelve attackers. The GfbV had warned of a new wave of violence in Xinjiang and of an increase in the persecution of Uighurs.

The 150 children being held aged between eight and 14 years are according to information received by the GfbV threatened with a penalty for "illegal religious activities?. They had been sent by their parents in settlement areas of the Moslem minority of the Hui to neighbouring provinces to attend Koran schools.

This is current practice among the Uighurs since Islam instruction in Xinjiang /East Turkestan is forbidden by the Chinese authorities. Only ten of the 160 children originally in custody have been freed because their parents were able to produce the sum of more than 2000 euros for their release.

The wave of arrests strikes particularly hard the relatives of the Uighurs involved in the attacks. It was not only the parents, two brothers and two sisters of Ehmetjan Tohti, killed in the attack in Kucha on 10th August, who were arrested. Also in custody now are the 30 employees of the supermarket run by his elder sister. Only his younger sister has so far been released. The ten-month baby of the 24-year old and his wife, who was also involved in the attack and killed, has been taken away by the police. Information as to the whereabouts of the child has been refused.

Several internment centres have been set up around the town of Kucha (400,000 inhabitants), to which those arrested have been brought, say eye-witnesses. The freedom of movement of the Uighur inhabitants has been severely restricted since the attacks. Anyone wanting to leave the town has to pass five or six road-blocks. Police control all visitors to the mosque. The Imam Adil Qarim was arrested and sentenced last week to life-long imprisonment because one of the attackers came to pray in his mosque.

Anonymous:

where is east turk?;)
what is east turk passport?
maybe in my bathroom, in my toilet, and on your wife's bed when I sleep in it.

Please tell your wife that I love her too:)

Anonymous:

Clad in brightly-coloured costumes, 56 children paraded through the Bird's Nest at last month's Olympic Opening ceremonies.

Each child represented one of China's 56 ethnic groups. All smiles, they carried the Chinese flag to a group of soldiers who hoisted it up the mast.

The symbolism was evident to anyone watching -- the state protecting the culture of each child.

When the ceremonies were over, the hoax was revealed. The children were part of an acting troupe and all were Han Chinese, the group makes up about 92 per cent of the population.

Yes, the children represented a scandal that caught headlines. But the symbolism may be the bigger deception.

About 112 million people make up China's minorities, a population more than three times the size of Canada's. These minorities are largely neglected by the state. The 56 ethnic groups are strictly defined by the state. Others simply don't exist.

"The official categories aren't really the way people live their lives," says Edward Friedman, a professor of Chinese politics at the University of Wisconsin. "The Chinese state has an official set of categories and you shouldn't take them seriously."

China says it's a "united socialist multiethnic state." In reality, it is one of many countries with a wealth of diversity but virtually no embrace of multiculturalism.

Multiculturalism promotes the celebration of ethnicity, helping to enrich cultures and break down social barriers. When it is not embraced, the risk is losing the diversity altogether.

China's economic boom has created centres of wealth around the country. The areas populated by minorities like the Tibetans and the Uighurs still experience extreme poverty.

The promise of wealth has led some minorities to the cities where often their cultural ties are lost. The Chinese state has also taken to moving Han Chinese to areas that were once populated by the minority.

Dermod Travis, the executive director of the Canada Tibet Committee, says this practice is diluting the culture.

"In Lhasa, there used to a very large public square where the Tibetans would sell their wares -- jewelry, artworks and things like that," he says. "Today if you go to that market, it's virtually all Han Chinese."

Travis says the Chinese government is fearful their state could dissolve if regions like Tibet seek sovereignty. Their solution is to enforce the "One China" policy to stop the minority groups from developing politically.

So, the Hakka, a culture with between 30 and 45 million people worldwide, are not included in the 56 categories.

Tibetan children face corporal punishment and abuse by authorities for wearing traditional dress and singing Tibetan songs.

More recently, the Muslim Uighur population has clashed with authorities. Resentment has grown towards the government, which discourages the practice of Islam.

At job fairs in the mineral-rich region, signs often read, "Uighurs need not apply."

With so many cultures, China has potential to truly flourish culturally. To some extent, they are as Cantonese operas play in city centres while Szechwan art is sold in markets. Instead, a categorized system of 56 defined groups only limits the opportunities to learn and grow.

"The 56 categories get in the way of full cultural prosperity," says Friedman.

"They are flourishing in little ways but obviously, to have freedom would help them more."

Craig and Marc Kielburger co-founded Free the Children. The primary goal of the organization is to free children from poverty and exploitation through education.

Anonymous:

"A terrible miscalculation," was Georgetown University Professor Charles King's description of the Georgian assault on its secessionist province, South Ossetia, that had triggered Russian military action on Georgian soil early this August.

In an editorial that ran in the Christian Science Monitor on Aug. 11, King suggested a possible scenario that he believed caused Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili to "lead his country down the path of a disastrous and ultimately self-defeating war."

The Georgian president, King explained, had an expectation of American protection in the face of Russia, as he dispatched his "ill-prepared military" to resolve South Ossetia's dispute by force. Saakashvili was depending on the "real partnership" between the two countries.

King stated that, "Georgia was the third-largest troop contributor in Iraq" before the conflict erupted.

And since the South Ossetian-Georgian conflict did not affect Western supply of the oil pipeline that runs through Georgia from Azerbaijan to Turkey, the Bush administration didn't see the need to react to what King called "an ill-considered move by Georgia to retake South Ossetia by force."

Meanwhile, as leaders took their positions within the conflict, King said so did the ethnic minority groups that stretch across the Caucasus region, the land sandwiched between the Caspian and the Black Sea - each with "their own brewing border disputes and dreams of nationalist homelands."

Abkhazia for example, a de facto independent country situated along the Black Sea coast, sent out volunteers to support the South Ossetian cause, having shared a common conflict history with Georgia.

In an article published by BBC on Sept. 14, a reporter described the stance of separatists in Moldova's eastern independent Trans-Dniester.

"In the centre of Tiraspol (capital of Trans-Dniester), a huge billboard has gone up, showing the leaders of Trans-Dniester, South Ossetia and Abkhazia smiling next to a Russian flag and an inscription that says 'Together we are strong,'" according to the article.

The reporter continued to describe the view on the opposite street where youth organizations were seen proudly displaying "posters of Che Guevara next to those of Vladimir Putin and Dmitri Medvedev."

But the scene unfolding on the Caucasian stage, featuring leaders and civilians, is not at all different from disputes that have been occurring recently in China.

In fact, it is an echoing conflict that reflects the interests of the Tibetans and the Uighurs in gaining their freedom and independence.

These nations await an opportunity to be heard and ought to take advantage of the global attention, as it is their chance in discovering and forming a place for their communities within the current world's politics.

"The Caucasus has an air of the alien, the foreign, in the Western imagination, which we in the West have inherited perhaps from the Russian imagination," King said in his book "The Ghost of Freedom."

But with the current events taking place in the Caucasus, this imaginary region needs to be understood again for its humanitarian, cultural, linguistic, historical and mythical value.

Anonymous:

To an idiot;

--1) Be Chinese and live in China!--

East Turkestan is not China, you dumb idiot.

--2) Move out! And Don't come back!--

East Turkestan is not China, you stupid loser!

--If they blame on religion, then give up;
If they blame on culture, then give up;--

Wait, what? what are "they", you stupid piece of s-h-it?

---Anyway for everyone, love your country first!--

but, my stupid idiot, Ughurs DO LOVE OWN COUNTRY! MORE THAN CHINESE, you stupid idiot!

---Whether you are American, or Chinese.--

Or East Turkestanian..

--Anyone feels unhappy to live in his country, then get out. Simple.--

Yeahh.. If chinese feels unhappy to live in East Turkestan, then get out. Simple!

Anonymous:

To Speaking of how China provoke a new rebelion,

GOOD NEWS!

Give them two choice:
1) Be Chinese and live in China!
2) Move out! And Don't come back!

If they blame on religion, then give up;
If they blame on culture, then give up;
Anyway for everyone, love your country first!

Whether you are American, or Chinese.

Anyone feels unhappy to live in his country, then get out. Simple.

Anonymous:

Reporters Without Borders condemns the dismissal and arrest of Mehbube Ablesh, a member of the Uyghur community in the northwestern province of Xinjiang, who worked for Xinjiang People’s Radio Station, a government station based in the provincial capital of Urumqi.

After posting articles online criticising provincial leaders and Chinese government policy, she was fired from the station’s advertising department in August and was then arrested by the Urumqi police. According to one of her colleagues interviewed by Radio Free Asia, she is still being held.

“As in other provinces with pro-autonomy movements, there is even more censorship and police control in Xinjiang than the rest of China, especially during the month of Ramadan,” Reporters Without Borders said. “There is an urgent need for Uyghur journalists to be allowed to write and express themselves without fear of being arrested and convicted on trumped-up charges of calling for violence or threatening Chinese sovereignty.”

Nurmuhemmet Yasin, the author of the 2004 short story “Wild Pigeon,” was sentenced in February 2005 to 10 years in prison for inciting Uyghur separatism. Written in the first person, the story described a young pigeon that was put in a cage by humans and took its own life rather than sacrifice its freedom. The authorities claimed that it was about Yasin’s father, who poisoned himself in similar circumstances, and argued that it therefore contained a political message.

Korash Huseyin, an employee of the literary magazine that published the short story, was arrested in November 2005 and was sentenced to three years in prison by a south Xinjiang court. Ismail Tiliwaldi, the Uyghur governor of Xinjiang, said Yasin’s arrest was necessary to maintain stability in the region.

Abdulghani Memetemin, a Xinjiang-based writer, teacher and translator, was arrested on 26 July 2002 for providing information to the East Turkestan Information Centre (ETIC), an Uyghur rights and pro-independence group run by Uyghur exiles in Germany. A Kashgar court sentenced him to nine years in prison in June 2003 on a charge of “illegally providing state secrets to foreign organisations.”

Reporters Without Borders believes that all of these Uyghurs were unfairly convicted for expressing themselves publicly, and calls on the Chinese authorities to release them.

Speaking of how China provoke a new rebelion.:

Local Chinese authorities in Xinjiang province said that Chinese authorities have imposed new restrictions on Muslim practices during the Islamic holy month of Ramadan.

The restrictions include banning men from growing beards and women from wearing face veils as well as prohibiting local officials from fasting during the holy month, according to a report in the London-based Asharq Al-Awsat.

The article said that local authorities visit mosques twice a week to make sure the new rules are being followed.

According to local websites in China, other laws have been imposed ostensibly to maintain security and stability during the month of Ramadan. These include forbidding students and teachers from fasting, preventing retired civil servants from entering mosques, and banning restaurant closures during typical fasting hours.
A statement posted on Xinjiang's official website defended these measures as a way to combat terrorism and the prevalence of religious education that they say incites violence.

"We have to prevent religious people from communal rituals [like the daily taraweeh prayers] and religious gatherings that could destabilize the region," said the statement.

The government also warned against trying to force anyone to fast, in reference to preachers who discuss the Muslim obligation of fasting and the benefits it entails.

The restrictive measures came in the wake of recent violent attacks in the province that left 20 policemen dead. The authorities blamed fundamentalist groups who fight for the independence of the province and the declaration of an Islamic state.

One such group, the East Turkestan Islamic Movement, is considered a terrorist organization by the government of China, the United States, and the United Nations.

China accuses Islamists of trying to restore the 19th century Islamic nation of East Turkestan, which China annexed in the 1880s, in Xinjiang province. After the Communists came to power in 1949, the Chinese government tightened its grip on the province and changed it name to Xinjiang, which means "the new city," in reference to turning it away from Islam towards atheist Communism.

Anonymous:

The governor of west China's tense Xinjiang region has lashed out at Western countries for instigating unrest in the area, but said their schemes would never succeed as only very few people supported separatism.

Oil-rich Xinjiang, strategically located on the borders of Central Asia, has been rocked by sometimes violent unrest this year, including the killing of 16 armed police just before the Beijing Olympics, blamed by China on Muslim militants.

The region's governor, Nuer Baikeli, said "Western hostile forces" unhappy with China's rise were directly supporting groups opposed to Beijing's rule in the region in the name of democracy and human rights.

"They all along have been direct behind-the-scenes backers and patrons of the 'three forces' at home and abroad," Baikeli said, referring to terrorism, separatism and extremism.

"They are the most important external factor in the continuing rise of ethnic splittist, destructive activities in Xinjiang, and the large threat they pose from abroad to our national security and social stability will exist for a long time," he added.

"Our struggle against ethnic splittism, in essence, is a struggle against Western hostile forces' plots to 'Westernise' and 'split' our country, it is the continuation of the struggle the Chinese people have had for 100 years or more against imperialist plans to split China."

Baikeli's strident and uncompromising comments, in a speech to Communist Party officials, were carried on central government website www.china.com.cn on Friday. They had appeared earlier in the week in the Xinjiang Daily.

Many of Xinjiang's 8 million largely Muslim Uighurs chafe at the strict controls on religion that China enforces and resent influxes of Han Chinese migrant workers and businesses. Uighurs make up slightly less than half of the region's people, and most of the rest are Han.

Human rights critics say China's tight grip in the region only further estranges Uighurs.

Baikeli said Xinjiang was engaged in a life and death fight against terrorism, and the battle was entering an acute yet complex stage.

"This is not a question of ethnicity, religion, democracy or human rights -- it is a huge question of right and wrong about maintaining or destroying national unity, of maintaining or destroying ethnic unity," he added.

Still, Beikeli, an ethnic Uighur himself, said separatists would never win the support of the majority of the people.

"Only a very small number of people in Xinjiang engage in splittist activities and they cannot represent any ethnicity. They are the common enemy of all people," he added.

"Though the several violent terrorist incidents meticulously planned by our enemies had a certain negative effect, they can never damage Xinjiang's overall public interests, and cannot shake the faith of people and officials in marching together toward an affluent society.

"Xinjiang's development prospects are bright."

Anonymous:

The author Xinran Xue, best known for The Good Women Of China, a book of heart-breaking tales gathered from her time as a talkback radio host in Nanjing in the late 1970s and 1980s, says she despaired to watch the scuffles.


In one story she investigates how the Communist Party turned the western province of Xinjiang into the "world's biggest prison". Spurred by rumours that 200,000 captured Kuomintang soldiers and 300,000 political prisoners had been sent into the desert to dilute Xinjiang's Muslim population, her research brought her to Shihezi, the first city built by the prisoner army. The subject remains sensitive, and access to the province restricted.

Почтальон:

Plastic in Yogurt and Ice cream?

(Bloomberg) -- China's tainted milk scandal widened as melamine was found in products of a second dairy company, after infant formula contaminated by the chemical was linked to 1,253 cases of infant kidney stones, killing two.

Wellcome, a supermarket chain owned by Dairy Farm International Holdings Ltd., said it will stop selling ice cream made by Inner Mongolia Yili Industrial Group after the chemical was found in a sample, according to a statement sent by e-mail late today.

Hong Kong's Food and Environmental Hygiene Department found melamine in Yili's "Natural Choice Yogurt Ice-bar with Real Fruit," Wellcome said in its statement. The supermarket operator said it will stop selling all Yili brand ice cream as a precaution...

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601080&sid=aJk9YS__guLc&refer=asia

Anonymous:

Karla Forrest, a 2005 College of Saint Benedict graduate, has been a foreign teacher at Xiamen University in Fujian province in the People’s Republic of China for the past two years. Forrest describes her experiences as surreal with the pitfalls outnumbering the perks of being a foreigner.

She gained valuable teaching experience, reshaped her political ideology, made good friends whom she “will have forever,” and enjoyed the food. In summary, Forrest observes that “The necessary attributes to living in China are thick skin and blinders.”

Forrest and her boyfriend, a 2006 Saint John’s University graduate, were two of over 60 foreign teachers at Xiamen University (XMU). They both taught oral English to freshman classes averaging 50 students per class during the 2006 and 2007 school years. XMU with 31,000 full-time students, approximately 5,000 staff, 20 schools and 45 departments offering undergraduate, graduate and post-graduate programs, is nicknamed “Strength of the South.”

Xiamen University is located on the island of Xiamen, a scenic city in the southeast coastal region of China directly across the China Sea from Taiwan. With flowers blooming year round, Xiamen is advertised as the “Garden at Sea.”

After college graduation, Forrest held an entry-level position in a large Minneapolis bank, but her desire to experience a new culture led her to China. The 14-hour work week stated in the contract with the university was also a definite appeal.

A less-than-ideally-supportive teaching environment at XMU, however, caused her “to lose some of her zeal for teaching.” Nonetheless, Forrest says she feels gratified knowing that she has helped some students.

Forrest admitted that because the standard of living is lower in China, she “could afford things she could not afford back home.” For example, she lived in a large three-bedroom, two-bathroom flat in a high-income apartment complex.

Despite the comfortable lifestyle, the most off-putting experience for Forrest and her boyfriend was the attitude exhibited by Chinese people towards them as foreigners of African heritage. She never grew accustomed to the glaring stares, people pointing at her, and many photographing her.

As her fluency in the Chinese language improved and she was able to understand comments made by people around her, her frustration with the people increased and her ability to ignore the people’s reactions disintegrated. Forrest notes that when it’s discovered that she speaks Putonghua (the official Chinese dialect also known as Standard Mandarin), people who spoke disparagingly of her would either express shame or switch to their local dialect.

“On a personal level, I sometimes feel uncomfortable in my skin, and I don’t want to go outside and do anything,” Forrest says. “And I walk around mad all day because I cannot walk down the street without seeing or hearing something [insulting]. And now I’ve become paranoid about what they might say. So most of the time, I don’t smile. I keep away from the prying eyes.”

Under different circumstances, Forrest and her boyfriend would have been very happy in China. “When I go unnoticed — when no one points you out and makes comments about you — I am happy, because there’s a feeling that I belong somewhere. People in my community know me and ignore me,” she says.

However, “When I venture outside of the community I’m no longer comfortable; you’re on the defensive, on the lookout. People will try to cheat you. Even if you know the language, they still try to cheat you. For example, I’m overcharged for items, or given incorrect change.”

Acknowledging that people’s reactions may be due to simple curiosity, Forrest still despised the extra attention that she perceived as being ridiculed. “It may be comedy for them, but it’s not funny for us. I’ve become wary of people,” she says.

Forrest emphasizes, “I am not saying everyone’s experience will be the same. I am not saying every city in China is the same. There is a diversity here that anyone can appreciate. However, you’ll find that if you are different or try to change things, you’ll come across much resistance. If you ask many people why they do things this way, they’ll say, ‘It’s the Chinese way.’ Everything that cannot be explained or changed, the reason given is that it has always been done this way.”

The idyllic setting of XMU’s main campus, which covers an area of over 700 acres, provided a respite for Forrest’s soul. She liked hiking in the hills, jogging around the lakes, walking along bamboo-lined paths, or just looking out at the sea from a quiet spot.

Forrest will travel to Beijing along with visiting family members before going back home to return to a normal life and pursue her dream of studying interior design. Attending this year’s Olympics has special significance for Forrest and her boyfriend, whose younger brother is on the 4×100m relay team representing his country, Trinidad and Tobago.

Anonymous:

@fools:
John:
Here is a piece about Dafur from a Canadian point of view and how CIA fund the seperatist rebell in Sudan as soon as oil was founded there.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20070520&articleId=5714
American government is a criminal gangs destined to destablize the whole world.

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hey dumb idiot, what are yu talking about?

Anonymous:

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It's pretty clear that one of the singular successes of the Bush administration's foreign policy is the U.S. relationship with China. Bush came into power calling China a "strategic competitor." But, like all presidents over the last three decades, when it came to China, he changed. Buffeted by events, especially the EP-3 incident during which a Chinese jet fighter crashed into a U.S. reconnaissance plane and, of course, 9/11, which rewrote America's strategic map, Bush has embraced a cool-headed policy toward Beijing.

Ironically, in this he has been helped along by the often bizarre and occasionally downright silly antics of Taiwan's president at the time, Chen Shui-bian. Chen's strategically goofy habit of continually and unnecessarily irritating China at every turn helped push Bush further and further away from his party's historical support for Taiwan. Things got so bad that at one point, Bush criticized Chen while standing next to China's premier Wen Jiabao. At least in my recollection, that's something no American president had ever done.

But what next for U.S.-China relations? What does the future hold? Would an Obama- or a McCain-led White House change the bipartisan consensus that was essentially worked out by Nixon and Kissinger in the mid-70s and, with tweaks here and there, has stayed pretty much consistent until today? Or are these "agents of change" going to change U.S.-China relations, too?

Two answers:

In the short-term, Bush could be handing his successor a real problem that could rock U.S.-China ties early next year. The Taiwanese government wants to buy a large package of arms from the United States. But the sale, which would include 30 Apache helicopters, 60 Black Hawk helicopters, eight diesel-electric submarines and four Patriot air defense missile batteries, has been delayed. According to a report by the Post's Glenn Kessler, the administration has also refused to accept a "letter of request" from Taiwan for 66 F-16 C/D fighters - which would cost an additional $5 billion.

The reasons for the delay? One explanation was that everything was put on hold so that Bush could go to Beijing for the Olympics and not have a multi-billion dollar arms package ruin his fun. But the Olympics are over and still there's no action. Another reason, however, is that some administration officials figure that with the election of Ma Ying-jeou as Taiwan's president, Taiwan and China have their first real chance in eight years to improve ties. The United States is worried that a big arms sales package is going to throw a spanner in the works and give China an excuse to sulk - something the mandarins in Beijing so love to do.

The problem with that logic, however, is that after a little honeymoon since Ma's election in March, a lot of people in Taiwan are beginning to turn against the president and his relatively friendly policies toward China. He's caved on several issues: Taiwan wanted a PRC-Taiwan air charter service to include cargo. China initially said yes but in the end agreed only to passengers. Taiwan has significantly downgraded its infamous checkbook diplomacy and fight for a U.N. seat. Now it says it just wants to participate in international organizations where its participation would make sense, like the World Health Organization. China still has not moved to allow Taiwan that limited diplomatic space. In the face of China's recalcitrance, then, the failure so far of Ma to get these weapons is being framed in Taiwan as another sign that his softer face towards China is being taken for granted not only in Beijing but in Washington as well.

If Bush doesn't act on the sale by October, he's going to hand this problem to the next president. And I have little doubt that the arms, at least some of them, are going to be sold. The question is: Does Bush deal with it in an outgoing administration, or leave a hand-grenade for the next one?

In the long-term, however, I am relatively optimistic that McCain or Obama will maintain U.S.-China ties on a relatively even keel. Obama has never been to China, according to a campaign spokesman. McCain's campaign declined to answer two queries by email. However, both men have adults advising them on the issues - Jeffrey Bader and Richard Bush for Obama, and Mike Green for McCain. (I initially said Richard Armitage but have been informed that he's not officially with the campaign.) None of the presidential advisers is a bomb thrower. And that's a good thing.

Also, both Obama and McCain say they are committed to dealing with climate change as a major plank in the next administration. And what better way to further tie China's fate to ours than by engaging the Chinese on this issue? The only way China will embrace the fight against global warming is if we do. And they've got to, for the health and well-being of their 1.3 billion and for the rest of us as well.

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Anonymous:
Medical agencies prepared Tuesday to treat more sickened babies as an investigation by China's Health Ministry linked contaminated milk powder to the deaths of two infants and the illnesses of more than 1,200 others.

The official Xinhua News Agency quoted the ministry as saying the agencies were setting up a treatment system for affected infants.

The company at the heart of the widening food scandal, Sanlu Group Co., has apologized for the tainted milk powder, which the Health Ministry says was spiked with the industrial chemical melamine. The company says suppliers who sold the raw milk apparently added the chemical, normally used in plastics, to make the milk seem higher in protein.

Zhang Zhenling, Sanlu's vice president, apologized Monday but did not explain why the company took so long to inform the public about the contamination despite receiving complaints as early as March and having tests confirm the presence of the chemical in early August.

The company went public with the information after its New Zealand stakeholder told the New Zealand government, which then informed the Chinese government.

"The serious safety accident of the Sanlu formula milk powder for infants has caused severe harm to many sickened babies and their families. We feel really sad about this," Zhang said, reading from a prepared statement.

Chinese health officials said 1,200 infants have been sickened by the tainted milk powder, and police announced they had arrested two more milk suppliers from northern Hebei province late Monday.

In total, four men have been arrested, spokesman Shi Guizhong with the Hebei Provincial Security Department was quoted as saying by the official Xinhua News Agency on Tuesday. The newly arrested dealers were only identified by their surnames as Ma, 40, and Zhao, 43.

Earlier, police said they had arrested two brothers, surnamed Geng, who ran a milk collection center in Hebei province and are accused of adding melamine, Xinhua said. They sold about three tons of contaminated milk a day, the report said.

On Monday, the Health Ministry said a second infant from Gansu province had died of kidney failure after drinking the milk.

Vice Health Minister Ma Xiaowei told reporters that 1,253 infants had been sickened — mainly after developing kidney stones — more than twice the number previously acknowledged. Of those, 913 of the infants were only slightly affected, while 340 remained hospitalized and 53 cases were considered especially severe, he said.

It is the second crisis to raise questions about government accountability in China since the Beijing Olympics ended Aug. 24. At least 254 people died last week when a retaining wall of a waste dump at an illegal mine in northern China collapsed. The Shanxi provincial governor resigned and his deputy was fired.

The incident is an embarrassing failure for China's product safety system, which was overhauled to restore consumer confidence and preserve export markets after a string of recalls and warnings abroad over tainted toothpaste, faulty tires and other goods.

It is also the second major case in recent years involving baby formula. In 2004, more than 200 Chinese infants suffered malnutrition and at least 12 died after being fed phony formula that contained no nutrients.

The discovery of the tainted milk is especially damaging because Sanlu Group Co. is China's biggest producer of powdered milk and such large companies are expected to act as industry role models for safety and quality.

Shoddy and fake goods are common in China, and infants, hospital patients and others have been killed or injured by tainted or fake milk, medicines, liquor and other products.

None of the milk powder was exported to Europe or the United States, although Sanlu is 43 percent owned by a New Zealand dairy farmers' cooperative, Fonterra.

Fonterra, the world's biggest milk trader, says it urged Sanlu to recall the product as early as Aug. 2. Sanlu did not order a recall until last Thursday, after the New Zealand government took up the issue with China.

Chinese officials have defended their response but blamed Sanlu Group for delays in warning the public. Officials say they were not alerted until last Monday.

Details of the children's deaths show the problem appeared to have gone undetected for months. The first victim, a five-month-old boy from the western city of Lanzhou, died May 1, ministry officials said. The second, an eight-month-old girl also from Lanzhou, died July 22.

China's quality watchdog has sent officials to Hebei, Guangdong and Heilongjiang provinces and the Inner Mongolia region to inspect dairy companies. Inspectors will check the country's 175 baby milk food factories and their findings are expected within the next several days, Li said.

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Anonymous:
Anonymous:

To American Anonymous,

Why everytime people give you some constructive critical suggestion to you, and you lose it? look how many swearing words you typed? Be civilized. There is nothing we cannot talk about, don't be radical.

If US government could work together with Chinese government, then those terrorists would never succeed. Now those so called east turk separatists are considered as terrorists by both US and China government and to be hunted in Pakistan and Afgan.

And now, some US people training and support some second generation Tibetan in NY and India and other part of the world to raise anti-China movements, they get money by so called 'Human right' purpose, your people already set a big bundle of wood, and all they need is spark. How do you guys know that they do not go radical in future, but you already set the seed. You people show them a door, and you don't have to tell to walk in.

But in China, no any anti-America organization are allowed, nor supported by government; but US government openly stands by the side of Chinese separatists who direct the unrest of China.

When World Trade were attacked, Chinese newspaper published: "US is attacked." But when your people led China western unrest events, your papers stated that "Unrest"; CNN:"Chinese are Mob." And your papers still miswrite "Tibet is not China", and your common people all brainwashed by your government that Chinese invaded Tibet and Xingjiang. And your government trying to sell Taiwan all those equipment that could conquer two Iraq, and after it, you still want to cooperate with China?

What's going on here?

What if China sell Cuba those equipment that you trying to sell Taiwan? Sure, we can tell the whole world that those equipment are for defensive purpose, and then we smile at US that try to be friendly. What would American would think? What US government would think?

If your government really want to help Tibetan in particular ethnic of Chinese, you can give your fund to Chinese government, central or local; if your president worries about Chinese human rights or liberty, make calls, send letter, shoot emails, and text messaging... to the government to Hu Jingtao, but you just don't have your people to fund and train the separatists to riot, what's next, give them guns and bombs, oh surely you people don't give them weapons, but you give them cash so they can buy themselves.
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Wrong,it is an European Anonymous,who is a East Turkestan origin.He cannot represent any documented and recognized countries in this world.

September 16, 2008 2:22 AM | Report Offensive Comments

Posted on September 16, 2008 02:22

哎哟:

教坏美国下一代, Pomfret 大叔就是该打屁股.

September 16, 2008 12:42 AM | Report Offensive Comments

Posted on September 16, 2008 00:42

Anonymous:
To American Anonymous,

Why everytime people give you some constructive critical suggestion to you, and you lose it? look how many swearing words you typed? Be civilized. There is nothing we cannot talk about, don't be radical.

If US government could work together with Chinese government, then those terrorists would never succeed. Now those so called east turk separatists are considered as terrorists by both US and China government and to be hunted in Pakistan and Afgan.

And now, some US people training and support some second generation Tibetan in NY and India and other part of the world to raise anti-China movements, they get money by so called 'Human right' purpose, your people already set a big bundle of wood, and all they need is spark. How do you guys know that they do not go radical in future, but you already set the seed. You people show them a door, and you don't have to tell to walk in.

But in China, no any anti-America organization are allowed, nor supported by government; but US government openly stands by the side of Chinese separatists who direct the unrest of China.

When World Trade were attacked, Chinese newspaper published: "US is attacked." But when your people led China western unrest events, your papers stated that "Unrest"; CNN:"Chinese are Mob." And your papers still miswrite "Tibet is not China", and your common people all brainwashed by your government that Chinese invaded Tibet and Xingjiang. And your government trying to sell Taiwan all those equipment that could conquer two Iraq, and after it, you still want to cooperate with China?

What's going on here?

What if China sell Cuba those equipment that you trying to sell Taiwan? Sure, we can tell the whole world that those equipment are for defensive purpose, and then we smile at US that try to be friendly. What would American would think? What US government would think?

If your government really want to help Tibetan in particular ethnic of Chinese, you can give your fund to Chinese government, central or local; if your president worries about Chinese human rights or liberty, make calls, send letter, shoot emails, and text messaging... to the government to Hu Jingtao, but you just don't have your people to fund and train the separatists to riot, what's next, give them guns and bombs, oh surely you people don't give them weapons, but you give them cash so they can buy themselves.


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1: Tibet is not China.
2: East Turkestan is not China.
§: Tibetans are not Chinese
4: East Turkestan people are not chinese.
5: You idiots should learn history and geography.

Anonymous:

Medical agencies prepared Tuesday to treat more sickened babies as an investigation by China's Health Ministry linked contaminated milk powder to the deaths of two infants and the illnesses of more than 1,200 others.

The official Xinhua News Agency quoted the ministry as saying the agencies were setting up a treatment system for affected infants.

The company at the heart of the widening food scandal, Sanlu Group Co., has apologized for the tainted milk powder, which the Health Ministry says was spiked with the industrial chemical melamine. The company says suppliers who sold the raw milk apparently added the chemical, normally used in plastics, to make the milk seem higher in protein.

Zhang Zhenling, Sanlu's vice president, apologized Monday but did not explain why the company took so long to inform the public about the contamination despite receiving complaints as early as March and having tests confirm the presence of the chemical in early August.

The company went public with the information after its New Zealand stakeholder told the New Zealand government, which then informed the Chinese government.

"The serious safety accident of the Sanlu formula milk powder for infants has caused severe harm to many sickened babies and their families. We feel really sad about this," Zhang said, reading from a prepared statement.

Chinese health officials said 1,200 infants have been sickened by the tainted milk powder, and police announced they had arrested two more milk suppliers from northern Hebei province late Monday.

In total, four men have been arrested, spokesman Shi Guizhong with the Hebei Provincial Security Department was quoted as saying by the official Xinhua News Agency on Tuesday. The newly arrested dealers were only identified by their surnames as Ma, 40, and Zhao, 43.

Earlier, police said they had arrested two brothers, surnamed Geng, who ran a milk collection center in Hebei province and are accused of adding melamine, Xinhua said. They sold about three tons of contaminated milk a day, the report said.

On Monday, the Health Ministry said a second infant from Gansu province had died of kidney failure after drinking the milk.

Vice Health Minister Ma Xiaowei told reporters that 1,253 infants had been sickened — mainly after developing kidney stones — more than twice the number previously acknowledged. Of those, 913 of the infants were only slightly affected, while 340 remained hospitalized and 53 cases were considered especially severe, he said.

It is the second crisis to raise questions about government accountability in China since the Beijing Olympics ended Aug. 24. At least 254 people died last week when a retaining wall of a waste dump at an illegal mine in northern China collapsed. The Shanxi provincial governor resigned and his deputy was fired.

The incident is an embarrassing failure for China's product safety system, which was overhauled to restore consumer confidence and preserve export markets after a string of recalls and warnings abroad over tainted toothpaste, faulty tires and other goods.

It is also the second major case in recent years involving baby formula. In 2004, more than 200 Chinese infants suffered malnutrition and at least 12 died after being fed phony formula that contained no nutrients.

The discovery of the tainted milk is especially damaging because Sanlu Group Co. is China's biggest producer of powdered milk and such large companies are expected to act as industry role models for safety and quality.

Shoddy and fake goods are common in China, and infants, hospital patients and others have been killed or injured by tainted or fake milk, medicines, liquor and other products.

None of the milk powder was exported to Europe or the United States, although Sanlu is 43 percent owned by a New Zealand dairy farmers' cooperative, Fonterra.

Fonterra, the world's biggest milk trader, says it urged Sanlu to recall the product as early as Aug. 2. Sanlu did not order a recall until last Thursday, after the New Zealand government took up the issue with China.

Chinese officials have defended their response but blamed Sanlu Group for delays in warning the public. Officials say they were not alerted until last Monday.

Details of the children's deaths show the problem appeared to have gone undetected for months. The first victim, a five-month-old boy from the western city of Lanzhou, died May 1, ministry officials said. The second, an eight-month-old girl also from Lanzhou, died July 22.

China's quality watchdog has sent officials to Hebei, Guangdong and Heilongjiang provinces and the Inner Mongolia region to inspect dairy companies. Inspectors will check the country's 175 baby milk food factories and their findings are expected within the next several days, Li said.

Anonymous:

Anonymous:

To American Anonymous,

Why everytime people give you some constructive critical suggestion to you, and you lose it? look how many swearing words you typed? Be civilized. There is nothing we cannot talk about, don't be radical.

If US government could work together with Chinese government, then those terrorists would never succeed. Now those so called east turk separatists are considered as terrorists by both US and China government and to be hunted in Pakistan and Afgan.

And now, some US people training and support some second generation Tibetan in NY and India and other part of the world to raise anti-China movements, they get money by so called 'Human right' purpose, your people already set a big bundle of wood, and all they need is spark. How do you guys know that they do not go radical in future, but you already set the seed. You people show them a door, and you don't have to tell to walk in.

But in China, no any anti-America organization are allowed, nor supported by government; but US government openly stands by the side of Chinese separatists who direct the unrest of China.

When World Trade were attacked, Chinese newspaper published: "US is attacked." But when your people led China western unrest events, your papers stated that "Unrest"; CNN:"Chinese are Mob." And your papers still miswrite "Tibet is not China", and your common people all brainwashed by your government that Chinese invaded Tibet and Xingjiang. And your government trying to sell Taiwan all those equipment that could conquer two Iraq, and after it, you still want to cooperate with China?

What's going on here?

What if China sell Cuba those equipment that you trying to sell Taiwan? Sure, we can tell the whole world that those equipment are for defensive purpose, and then we smile at US that try to be friendly. What would American would think? What US government would think?

If your government really want to help Tibetan in particular ethnic of Chinese, you can give your fund to Chinese government, central or local; if your president worries about Chinese human rights or liberty, make calls, send letter, shoot emails, and text messaging... to the government to Hu Jingtao, but you just don't have your people to fund and train the separatists to riot, what's next, give them guns and bombs, oh surely you people don't give them weapons, but you give them cash so they can buy themselves.
========================================

Wrong,it is an European Anonymous,who is a East Turkestan origin.He cannot represent any documented and recognized countries in this world.

哎哟:


教坏美国下一代, Pomfret 大叔就是该打屁股.

Anonymous:

To American Anonymous,

Why everytime people give you some constructive critical suggestion to you, and you lose it? look how many swearing words you typed? Be civilized. There is nothing we cannot talk about, don't be radical.

If US government could work together with Chinese government, then those terrorists would never succeed. Now those so called east turk separatists are considered as terrorists by both US and China government and to be hunted in Pakistan and Afgan.

And now, some US people training and support some second generation Tibetan in NY and India and other part of the world to raise anti-China movements, they get money by so called 'Human right' purpose, your people already set a big bundle of wood, and all they need is spark. How do you guys know that they do not go radical in future, but you already set the seed. You people show them a door, and you don't have to tell to walk in.

But in China, no any anti-America organization are allowed, nor supported by government; but US government openly stands by the side of Chinese separatists who direct the unrest of China.

When World Trade were attacked, Chinese newspaper published: "US is attacked." But when your people led China western unrest events, your papers stated that "Unrest"; CNN:"Chinese are Mob." And your papers still miswrite "Tibet is not China", and your common people all brainwashed by your government that Chinese invaded Tibet and Xingjiang. And your government trying to sell Taiwan all those equipment that could conquer two Iraq, and after it, you still want to cooperate with China?

What's going on here?

What if China sell Cuba those equipment that you trying to sell Taiwan? Sure, we can tell the whole world that those equipment are for defensive purpose, and then we smile at US that try to be friendly. What would American would think? What US government would think?

If your government really want to help Tibetan in particular ethnic of Chinese, you can give your fund to Chinese government, central or local; if your president worries about Chinese human rights or liberty, make calls, send letter, shoot emails, and text messaging... to the government to Hu Jingtao, but you just don't have your people to fund and train the separatists to riot, what's next, give them guns and bombs, oh surely you people don't give them weapons, but you give them cash so they can buy themselves.

Lols:

Hot air:

(AP) — John McCain and Barack Obama call for closer U.S.-Chinese cooperation on trade, the environment and nuclear proliferation in the upcoming issue of an American business group's magazine in an unusual effort to court voters abroad.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5j5jsJBmWO9rVEJK3QxSfD3662qgQD936N1380
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Plummeting economy and stalemate with Russia substantially restrict U.S's scope of influence now. The EU allies have such strong correlation with U.S's prosperity and could hardly lend a strong hand outside EU. So,a close work with India and China,two rapidly developing countries with less correlation with U.S economy, will help U.S pull through.

U.S politicians in fact are good at calculation.The "cheesy" Chinese goods will help U.S economy in this difficult time;now,they no longer crow boycott.French and British politicians should learn a bit wisdom from U.S counterparts as well.

Anonymous:

All friends here.I am that European "Anonymous",with a dream of the glory of East Turkestan Empire.Since my limit of my IQ and knowledge,I have to apologize that I use too many comments of "what are you trying to say?" I will do my best in the future to educate myself more and avoid use this unintelligent comment.I am really sorry for this.

Hot air:

(AP) — John McCain and Barack Obama call for closer U.S.-Chinese cooperation on trade, the environment and nuclear proliferation in the upcoming issue of an American business group's magazine in an unusual effort to court voters abroad.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5j5jsJBmWO9rVEJK3QxSfD3662qgQD936N1380

@fools:

John:
Here is a piece about Dafur from a Canadian point of view and how CIA fund the seperatist rebell in Sudan as soon as oil was founded there.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20070520&articleId=5714
American government is a criminal gangs destined to destablize the whole world.

Anonymous:

Anonymous:
I guess the only people who do not want to see Taiwan and Mainland happily join in hand is American Right Wing Politician who run their political campaign and family business by arm sell and foreign oil, and you can not believe those are Sunday church goers of conservatives?:)

What they do in church? Sucking the blood of Jesus on the holy dya and sucking the blood of common American and foreign people week days, using the body of Christ for their political ballots and business gains, breaking the bread of others in the land of God? while holding their Liberty flag high?

Anyone please tell me the truth, can you trust these kind of people? can you trust their words? can you even look at them without a despised attitude? When the liberal American papers could poke through the cover of them, uh wait, those paper are their covers, they bought them.


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WHAT THE HECK IS THIS S-H-I-T?

Anonymous:

@fools:
That was NATO helicoper shot down by Talibans.
WOW

Posted on September 15, 2008 16:29

@fools:
Two Nato helicopers was shot down by sting missile made by the US, said one NATO commander. Isn't that something.

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Hey dumb, idiot. can you tell me what are you talking about?

to idiot who is posting his spam here:

---Contaminated hamburger meats and vegetable has killed and sickened hundreds of people across US. Nobody has been arrested. Rumor has it that FDA officials were paid off to look the other way. ---

any proofs for that?

--Taiwanese invested in China will be allowed by Ma's government to be elected as member of parliment of PRC. Wow. What is that. US right wing politicians will be up in arm. Look for a US backed mass protest in Taiwan against that.--

WHAT? what are you trying to say?

--Maybe China should run United Province of China, just like US. If any province, breaks away punish by unification as US Civil War. This way US should consider China a nation of Democracy as US.--

Maybe China should do it.. Aside that Whats about other PArts of PRC?

--And US, please make sure those Chinese separatists that you support and train right now, would not turn against you in future like history repeats, as Chinese saying: "a dog goes anywhere, still likes to smell the butt; a wolf anywhere goes, will bite."--

Noone dog smells that bad as you..

--As Jesus your God says: "You sow and you shall obtain. What you give to others, that God will give you."--

whahahaha.. what are you trying to say, idiot?

--True friendship can only brings blessing to both,but the wicked digs his pit for himself.--

what are you trying to say?

--To:speaking of USA and allies atacking China
Japan self-defense has retracted their early statement that an indentified submarine was found near Japanese water. They now said thatthey are not sure that there was ever a submarine. However, one Pro-US member of parliment accused China of invading their water. This is part of so-called asymmetric warehare. Well coordinated and well organized.
Ma is unwilling to buy weapons from US and now he is enemy of right wing politicians in the US. Go figure.--

any links and proofs, idiot?

--Remember that Talibans were trained by US in 1970s, and now they turned against US. Bin Laden and Saddam were both trained and supported by US during 1970s.--

remember that Pol Pot and Kim I was trained in China and Soviet Union, you piece of s-h-it. remember how many chinese have MAo killed you dumb ar-s-ehole. Aside that Taliban were never trained by US. Mujahideen were trained by USA and Pakistani Intelegences, you stupid boy..

--If anyone cannot help other nation with a method of peace, than God make them to turn against him.--

You are using to much of "GOd".. are you that stupid to pretend being chinese by posting like some iranian or muslim trash?

--If US did not support those bad people to kill and tear other countries down, then they would never have chance to turn against US.--

What are you trying to say?

--How can you spread liberty, human right and democracy by tearing other countries apart? by giving people the guns to fight to kill for human rights?--

What are you trying to say again and why are you talking about USA in the blog about China, you stupid piece of s-h-it?

--by tell other citizens to riot against their government to obtain something good?--

Who is here telling other citizens to riot against their goverment you piece of stupid s-h-it?

--A nation as a family,--

A nation is never a family you, idiot.

--but US never allowed there own nation to split, look at their civil war; but to other nations,--

It did already.. Virginia and some other states have been splited many times, you stupid uneducated idiot.

--they sell guns, crafts, missiles, and in the name of democracy and liberty--

Whats wrong with selling guns, missles, crafts?

China does it all the time and all the time for most criminal and corrupt goverments and people of this world. or are you piece of stupid and uneducated s-h-it going to tell me that african dictators and killers are all piece and democracy loving people, you stupid tra-sh?

--they wage other people to remain fighting that they called "Power of Balance",--

any proofs for that?

--surely other nation' unity and peace and every life is not ever to be considered as precious American, others are nothing but a chess piece for US to keep the balance game forever, so no other nation will retain unity, so they will never have peace, and never will be in the stand of liberty and human rights and democracy ever.--

What are you trying to say, you dumb idiot?

--And they separated Germany, Korea, China, Russia, Middle east, Africa...--

Whahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.. "they separated" Whahahahahahahahaha.. what an idiot..

--the only one part is complete is United State of America, as their great Civil War Leader Mr. Abraham Lincoln once said: "A Nation as a house, if it cannot remain united, then the girder shall fall..."--

nice try idiot. but he said it in completly different context you stupid uneducated idiot.. Aside that why are you so butthurt and bit-ching about USA in a blog wich is about China? to much butthurt?

--US to themselves and others, they hold a complete opposite view for unity and peace strategy.--

what are you trying to say?

--Their own nation, unity (As United States); others, they shall break so to keep 'power balance', no 'local vacuum' so other peoples' mom would always shed tears for losing another son. --

what are you trying to say you stupid uneducated idiot?

Anonymous:

I guess the only people who do not want to see Taiwan and Mainland happily join in hand is American Right Wing Politician who run their political campaign and family business by arm sell and foreign oil, and you can not believe those are Sunday church goers of conservatives?:)

What they do in church? Sucking the blood of Jesus on the holy dya and sucking the blood of common American and foreign people week days, using the body of Christ for their political ballots and business gains, breaking the bread of others in the land of God? while holding their Liberty flag high?

Anyone please tell me the truth, can you trust these kind of people? can you trust their words? can you even look at them without a despised attitude? When the liberal American papers could poke through the cover of them, uh wait, those paper are their covers, they bought them.

@fools:

Taiwanese invested in China will be allowed by Ma's government to be elected as member of parliment of PRC. Wow. What is that. US right wing politicians will be up in arm. Look for a US backed mass protest in Taiwan against that.

Anonymous:

Maybe China should run United Province of China, just like US. If any province, breaks away punish by unification as US Civil War. This way US should consider China a nation of Democracy as US.

And US, please make sure those Chinese separatists that you support and train right now, would not turn against you in future like history repeats, as Chinese saying: "a dog goes anywhere, still likes to smell the butt; a wolf anywhere goes, will bite." As Jesus your God says: "You sow and you shall obtain. What you give to others, that God will give you."

True friendship can only brings blessing to both,
but the wicked digs his pit for himself.

@fools:

To:speaking of USA and allies atacking China
Japan self-defense has retracted their early statement that an indentified submarine was found near Japanese water. They now said thatthey are not sure that there was ever a submarine. However, one Pro-US member of parliment accused China of invading their water. This is part of so-called asymmetric warehare. Well coordinated and well organized.
Ma is unwilling to buy weapons from US and now he is enemy of right wing politicians in the US. Go figure.

Anonymous:

Remember that Talibans were trained by US in 1970s, and now they turned against US. Bin Laden and Saddam were both trained and supported by US during 1970s.

If anyone cannot help other nation with a method of peace, than God make them to turn against him. If US did not support those bad people to kill and tear other countries down, then they would never have chance to turn against US.

How can you spread liberty, human right and democracy by tearing other countries apart? by giving people the guns to fight to kill for human rights? by tell other citizens to riot against their government to obtain something good?

A nation as a family, but US never allowed there own nation to split, look at their civil war; but to other nations, they sell guns, crafts, missiles, and in the name of democracy and liberty they wage other people to remain fighting that they called "Power of Balance", surely other nation' unity and peace and every life is not ever to be considered as precious American, others are nothing but a chess piece for US to keep the balance game forever, so no other nation will retain unity, so they will never have peace, and never will be in the stand of liberty and human rights and democracy ever.

And they separated Germany, Korea, China, Russia, Middle east, Africa... the only one part is complete is United State of America, as their great Civil War Leader Mr. Abraham Lincoln once said: "A Nation as a house, if it cannot remain united, then the girder shall fall..."

US to themselves and others, they hold a complete opposite view for unity and peace strategy. Their own nation, unity (As United States); others, they shall break so to keep 'power balance', no 'local vacuum' so other peoples' mom would always shed tears for losing another son.

@fools:

How can Taiwan be an independant country if she depends on China to protect her soverignty. Interesting. US is siding with Japan on this.

@fools:

Japanese self-defended force attacked Taiwanese fishing boat near disputed water. Taiwan government protested with no result. China sent in submarine before Japan back off.

@fools:

That was NATO helicoper shot down by Talibans.
WOW

@fools:

Two Nato helicopers was shot down by sting missile made by the US, said one NATO commander. Isn't that something.

@fools:

Contaminated hamburger meats and vegetable has killed and sickened hundreds of people across US. Nobody has been arrested. Rumor has it that FDA officials were paid off to look the other way.

speaking of USA and allies atacking China:

TOKYO — Japan was searching Sunday for an unidentified foreign submarine detected in its territorial waters earlier in the day, the Defense Ministry said.

The Aegis destroyer Atago of Japan's Maritime Self-Defense Force spotted what it determined to be a periscope of an unknown submarine between Kyushu and Shikoku islands in western Japan, the ministry said.

By the time officials confirmed that the submarine was not a U.S. or Japanese vessel, it had left the area, it said.

Officials dispatched the Atago as well as P-3C patrol airplanes to look for the submarine, the ministry said in a statement.

Under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, foreign submarines and other underwater vehicles are "required to navigate on the surface and to show their flag" in territorial waters during peacetime.

In November 2004, a Chinese nuclear-powered submarine entered Japanese territorial waters near the southern island of Okinawa and ignored Japanese orders for it to surface. The incident escalated already stormy relations with China at the time, stirring up fear in Japan over China's military.

speaking about chinese weapons in hands of islamists..:

SRINAGAR: Four security personnel were killed and another injured when militants opened indiscriminate fire on a search party in Surankote area of Jammu’s Poonch district on Monday.

Inspector general of police (Jammu) K Rajendra Kumar said following specific information about the presence of militants in Tranawali near Bufliaz-Surankote, a joint operation was launched by the army and police.

“As the militants saw the security forces approaching, they resorted to heavy firing, in which two army personnel and two special police officers (SPOs) were killed. The operation is still continuing,” he said.

The slain army men have been identified as naiks Vaishno and Jarman Singh of 16 Rashtriya Rifles, while the SPOs are Maqbool Hussain Shah and Mohammad Maroof. Another army jawan, Om Parkash, was injured.

Kumar claimed some of the militants suffered injuries in retaliatory fire.
Meanwhile, J&K Police achieved a major success when they killed top Hizbul Mujahideen militant Muneer Pir alias Munawar in a gunfight in Ramban. “He was wanted in many cases and was killed last (Sunday) night,” Kumar said.

Police said an AK 56 rifle, three magazines, two Chinese pouches and a Nokia 1208 mobile phone set were recovered from the slain militant.

Police also arrested district commander of Hizbul Mohommad Yousuf Ganie alias Moulvi alias Babber in Handwara. Yousuf was a Pakistan-trained militant and was active in the Valley since 2001. Two Chinese grenades were recovered from him.

http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1190485

Anonymous:

China’s Ministry of Health on Monday announced that two babies have died in recent months and 1,253 others have been sickened by contaminated milk powder in a widening food safety scandal that has exposed persistent weaknesses in the country’s regulatory system.

More than 340 infants remain hospitalized, including 53 in serious condition. Inspection teams are visiting dairy farms and processing centers in the country’s four main milk-producing provinces to ensure that producers are not violating safety standards.

The Chinese authorities have confirmed that the tainted baby formula was laced with melamine, a chemical additive sometimes used to make plastics and fertilizer. Last year, after thousands of pets became ill in the United States, the same chemical was found in pet food and traced to a Chinese ingredient.

The tainted milk powder has been traced to the Sanlu Group, one of China’s biggest dairy producers, which operates as a joint venture with a New Zealand-based dairy conglomerate, Fonterra. China does not export milk powder to the United States.

Last week, Sanlu ordered a belated recall of its milk powder even though Chinese state media has reported that some parents had been complaining of problems since March. More than 10,000 tons of milk powder have been seized or recalled, according to the Health Ministry, and the authorities have ordered the company to halt production.

Sickened infants have suffered from kidney stones and investigators are trying to determine how the formula became contaminated and whether Sanlu concealed the problem before announcing the recall.

The tainted milk has renewed concerns about China’s system of food safety regulation, even as Communist Party leaders have pledged to improve oversight, with the country now a major food exporter.

Chinese regulators have repeatedly failed to detect food safety problems in a timely manner. Moreover, despite ample evidence that secrecy tends to compound safety problems, companies and local officials still appear determined to minimize or cover-up problems in the food supply rather than alert the public.

Four years ago, at least 13 Chinese babies died of malnutrition after their parents unwittingly fed them fake baby formula that lacked any nutritional value.

Officials say they are questioning nearly 80 people suspected of involvement in the latest scandal. On Monday, the police arrested two brothers who ran a milk collection center in Hebei Province suspected of adding melamine to diluted milk, according to the official Xinhua News Agency. Adding the chemical makes the material test at higher concentrations of protein. Fonterra, the New Zealand conglomerate that owns a 43 percent share in Sanlu, said it first learned last month that the Chinese company was selling contaminated powder. On Monday, New Zealand officials blamed local Chinese officials for failing to take action until the New Zealand government contacted the central authorities in Beijing.

Prime Minister Helen Clark said Fonterra officials had been “trying for weeks to get official recall and the local authorities in China would not do it.”

Anonymous:

--What is the American national interest ?--

Why are you speaking about here?

--It is to dominate the world politcally, economically and militarily.--

realy? can you proof it?

--They do not accept equal.--

wair, what? What are you trying to say?

---Any country/countries will be treated as a threat to the National interest if they are too big or too strong.--

realy? any proofs for that?

--They will use whatever means possible to dismantle the targret country.--

wait, What?

--USSR lost their fight because they mishandled their economy.--

Why are you talking about, you idiot?

--As Bill Clinton once said, with USSR gone, the US can do whatever they want.--

can you please tell me where and when he said that?

--However, they still see Russia and China as the biggest threat to their world dominance strategy.--

hmm.. realy? Any proofs for that? And can you tell me where i can read this "wooooorrrllllddd dominance strategy.."

--One US national security advisor once said, China and Russia are too big to be friendly.--

Who was it and when he did say that?

--It would be nice if Sibera be taken away from Russia and China be broken into seven pieces.--

Russia has not Siberia. But Russian Federation. Realy, you should know this countrys geography and territorial structure, you stupid idiot.

--Using threat from Iran as an excuse, they are building missile shield around Russia and finding alternative way to ship oil and national gas from one of the worst dictatior in Central Asia via Kosvo, and Georgia to Europe. Even Putin offered a site on Russia for the so-call missile shield, they were rejected.--

Why are you talking about Russia, you stupid loser?

--As for China, they support for independent movement in Taiwan, Tibet and etc iin the name of democracy.--

Taiwan is already independend, you fool.
And whats wrong with independend and democratic Tibet?

--People might be surprised on some China blogs, that a lot of American sounding names comes out from the woodward to be ardent supporters of independent movements in China.--

Why are you talking about?

--Their zealous behavior even made Tibetans and DPP supporters ashamed of themselves.--

WHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.. "zealos behaiviour"..Gosh.. Whahahahahaha...

---In a very well coordinated fashion, they search the net and post any news which might reflected badly on China (not India, because India is their ally against China).--

WHAHAHAHAHAHA.. India On China related blogs.. WHAHAHA.. "reflected badly on China".. WHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..

--CNN has a report on Tibetan movement in India.--

well. Its CNNs job to do reports..

--It showed a group of young people from New York City training Tibetans how to protest and how to scream in a very disciplined manner.--

Thats very good. I saw many french kids rioting in very disciplined maner.. disciplined protest is good for peace and prevent wild clashes and riots.

--You should not be surprised that Chen is the most admired leader in Taiwan at some quarter of the US establishment.--

pss.. idiot.. its ok if USA admired him. he was a president of Taiwan after all.

--That is why people with American sounding names are here to defend him.--

realy? hmm, i though they are here because they support Taiwanese people..

--It is amazing isn't it.--

yepp. i see realy seldom people like you. so stupid, paranoide and dumb in a same time..

--I would not waste my time argue with them on this blog--

PLEEEEEAAAASE DOOOOO IT! DONT WASTE YOUR TIME ON THIS BLOG!! GO AWAY AND DONT COME BACK!!

--because this is for American consumption so that ordinary people would one day support military action against China,--

realy? do you see them doing that? any proofs?
Btw.. greetings from North Korea. The best friend and vasal of chinese! are you still sending them back to starve?

--should the opportunity present themselves.--

wait, what?

--According to one India intelligent officer, a large amount of small arms from former Eastern Block has been stocked in Tibet before the May riot started in Tibet.--

who was it when does he said it?

--Remember one thing next time when you talk to American media or political insiders, that they hold the same view "China is too big to be friendly and should be broken into seven pieces".--

Wich one and when, again..

Aside that China is already broken into pieces. and that more as seven, you stupid idiot.

Anonymous:

--And I am sure after 20 years, there will be no west separate unrest issues, all people will love China as American love their US.

Chinese Government did not do a good job on education, especially to those ethnic groups.--

ooh almost forgot;

You cant get love of children by lies and beating their parents, you idiot.

Anonymous:

The problem of Tibet and Xinjing unrest problem is that China would not force them for education that in US, any race any culture kids must go to school, from 5-18 years age, and to learn about American culture, to educated to love US as their home country, to sworn in front of their flag, to must study US government set educational books so all people are educated and brainwashed after they grow up. which is good for US.---

Whats wrong with it?


This idiot put education and brainwashing together to make brainwashing not looking that bad.. Maybe he knows nothing about pluralism and freedom of speech and mean in the shools of the USA.. what a pity loser..

Anonymous:

The problem of Tibet and Xinjing unrest problem is that China would not force them for education that in US, any race any culture kids must go to school, from 5-18 years age, and to learn about American culture, to educated to love US as their home country, to sworn in front of their flag, to must study US government set educational books so all people are educated and brainwashed after they grow up. which is good for US.---

Whats wrong with it?

---But in China, government officials do not do well with mandate all kids must be in school to receive education, whatever ethnic they are, they all Chinese,--

1: they are not Chinese.
2: even if they are from one of the official or unoficial ethnics of PRC it doesnt make them Chinese. Chinese means ethnical and cultural not citizen position, you loser.
3: If a californian or indian children of Ohaio are going to the shool they swear on american flag and so on as a symbol of their State and FEDERAL nation. China is neither a State nor Federal Nation. To swear on China for Tibetan or South Mongolia children is like to swear Californians on Virginia Flag. Have you ever seen them doing that, you uneducated loser?


--but I often see many little Tibetan monks--

Whahahahaha.. gosh those lies, those lies!

--and Ugher kids--

What an ethnic group is that?

--are 7-18 old that never attend to school, only to be brainwashed by their parents--

Gosh what an idiot! "Brainwashed by own parents"! WTF are you thinking, you stupid piece of trash?!

As for tibetans and their children you loser; they cant send own children to the shool because Chinas goverment was never tryed to respect their traditions and culture and instaled never an education system wich have possibilities to learn without to leave parents home and became brainwashed by chinese nazis and comunists.

--and their biased religious books--

WTF?! Who are you to tell them wich book is biasedrelligious?

--that is doing no good to them and the nation and majority people.--

Then they should make own nation and majority people. If chinese idiots like you are going to rule them then it will be doom for them.

--If China government did a good job to educate those people from young age,--

"If" and you are the one of those stupid products of this education.

--by now they would not have unrest problem, just like US,--

WHAT?! What are you talking about?

--that you may find every race,--

Look people, we have a stupid racist here!

--every cultured, every religious serve in the US army tanks in Irag,--


What? why are you talking about, you stupid idiot?

--that is a good job of education of ethnical people--

WHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Gosh.. "ethnical people".. WHAHAHAHAHA!!

--in think one thought and serve One Nation.--

You cant tought a people of one nation to serve other nation you stupid barinwashed loser.. because this means genozide and ocupation.

--I pray China government force the education law,--


Idiot, do you even understand what about you are talking here?

--that young kids from 5-18 must attend government set school for free,--

Whahahahaha.. are you trying to say something?

--and they must graduate by common standard,--

Are you understand what "common standart" even is in China, you stupid brainwashed loser?

--and those kid should not receive any biased education by their parents, whether Christian, Buddhism, Tibetan, or Islam, if any parent do not send their kids to school and train their kids to practice biased religion, then jail time and penalty.--

Hey Chinazi,(!) you are the stupidest idiot i have ever seen! Sorry but tibetan education is much better than chinese and you are the best proof for that..

Whats wrong with it?

And I am sure after 20 years, there will be no west separate unrest issues, all people will love China as American love their US.

Chinese Government did not do a good job on education, especially to those ethnic groups.

@fools:

What is the American national interest ?
It is to dominate the world politcally, economically and militarily. They do not accept equal. Any country/countries will be treated as a threat to the National interest if they are too big or too strong. They will use whatever means possible to dismantle the targret country. USSR lost their fight because they mishandled their economy. As Bill Clinton once said, with USSR gone, the US can do whatever they want. However, they still see Russia and China as the biggest threat to their world dominance strategy. One US national security advisor once said, China and Russia are too big to be friendly. It would be nice if Sibera be taken away from Russia and China be broken into seven pieces. Using threat from Iran as an excuse, they are building missile shield around Russia and finding alternative way to ship oil and national gas from one of the worst dictatior in Central Asia via Kosvo, and Georgia to Europe. Even Putin offered a site on Russia for the so-call missile shield, they were rejected. As for China, they support for independent movement in Taiwan, Tibet and etc iin the name of democracy. People might be surprised on some China blogs, that a lot of American sounding names comes out from the woodward to be ardent supporters of independent movements in China. Their zealous behavior even made Tibetans and DPP supporters ashamed of themselves. In a very well coordinated fashion, they search the net and post any news which might reflected badly on China (not India, because India is their ally against China). CNN has a report on Tibetan movement in India. It showed a group of young people from New York City training Tibetans how to protest and how to scream in a very disciplined manner. You should not be surprised that Chen is the most admired leader in Taiwan at some quarter of the US establishment. That is why people with American sounding names are here to defend him. It is amazing isn't it. I would not waste my time argue with them on this blog because this is for American consumption so that ordinary people would one day support military action against China, should the opportunity present themselves. According to one India intelligent officer, a large amount of small arms from former Eastern Block has been stocked in Tibet before the May riot started in Tibet. Remember one thing next time when you talk to American media or political insiders, that they hold the same view "China is too big to be friendly and should be broken into seven pieces".

Anonymous:

Another unwelcome news for American from Yahoo

I think any candidate would focus on US' own problem right now, there is old Chinese saying: "A hundred foot insect, does rot before his death."

Any nation or family first corrupt inside then the outside force gives a light knock, happens to history of China, but I really don't want to see that happen to US either, anyway people suffer.

As Jesus said: "Before you break into a strong man's house, you first bind the strong man." But to US now, that your uncontrollable economy and fail education that fighting against your own government and people. Everyone holds a side view and rush into their immature idea with democracy system, while you can put all force to go togther, but people choose democracy, individualism, and liberty, but it is good that you have good boat and calm weather, but see, now the wind blows strong, and hurricane is coming, and one by one to land on the land of freedom that people should long time ago to seek unity and peace.

Oh, God, the change is surely coming, and I pray for you American that you may survive of your liberal storm of each individual cultured stroke that will not row your America boat to anywhere, please don't look at others, save yourself, I pray.

News From Yahoo:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/13448

Anonymous:

The problem of Tibet and Xinjing unrest problem is that China would not force them for education that in US, any race any culture kids must go to school, from 5-18 years age, and to learn about American culture, to educated to love US as their home country, to sworn in front of their flag, to must study US government set educational books so all people are educated and brainwashed after they grow up. which is good for US.

But in China, government officials do not do well with mandate all kids must be in school to receive education, whatever ethnic they are, they all Chinese, but I often see many little Tibetan monks and Ugher kids are 7-18 old that never attend to school, only to be brainwashed by their parents and their biased religious books that is doing no good to them and the nation and majority people.

If China government did a good job to educate those people from young age, by now they would not have unrest problem, just like US, that you may find every race, every cultured, every religious serve in the US army tanks in Irag, that is a good job of education of ethnical people in think one thought and serve One Nation.

I pray China government force the education law, that young kids from 5-18 must attend government set school for free, and they must graduate by common standard, and those kid should not receive any biased education by their parents, whether Christian, Buddhism, Tibetan, or Islam, if any parent do not send their kids to school and train their kids to practice biased religion, then jail time and penalty.

And I am sure after 20 years, there will be no west separate unrest issues, all people will love China as American love their US.

Chinese Government did not do a good job on education, especially to those ethnic groups.

Anonymous:

@T Watkins:

1: NEVER MISUNDERSTAND CHINA FOR PRC!
2: STOP TO CALL CHINA 5000 years old! Thats Bull-sh-it. China was born first in 1911!

Anonymous:

--China will not buy the instigation scheme in Western country.All Chinese knew and saw Western countries are good at in instigating but not in providing solution.--

I know you are another idiot who nows nothing about. aside that Whole EU is a solution even Russian Federation is a better solution than chinese imperialism genozide and nazism.

--As long as China is still strong enough, East Turkestan Empire illusion can only be buried in the dust of history.---

Blablabla.. what at the f-uck are you talking about?

--If China is not capable of holding its territory in the future,you will see Uygurs under Afghanistan or other powers' rule,but East Turkestan? hardly find where it is.--

whahahahahaha.. are you afraid that Afghanistan will became more "powerful" than Chinese Empire?

Aside that neither East Turkestan nor South Mongolia, nor Manshuria and nor Tibet are and were never chinese territories.

Anonymous:

T Waltkins:

The Chinese will respond that many Uighurs are a terrorist faction in bed with al-Qaeda and bent on violent separatist activities.

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Wrong! Only a little few Uygurs are terrorists and yet they shout aloud for Eastern Turkestan Empire. "Oppression" is a fad for powerful countries to intervene others and try to grab their own interests--we all know that,from incident in previous Yugoslavia to nowadays Iraq.This tricks are all so familiar.

Peoples look different does not mean they cannot live in a country,or the term "a state" to you liking.But extreme liberty lend chance to politic fanatics who hijack others' opinion and disregard others' right of living,East Turkestan Movement is a good example.

In most cases,politic fanatics are good at disrupting and even destroying a society yet lack the wisdom to build a new or even a as good one. Take Iraq for a reference.

When a country is wealthier,all problems are ironed out. As it is poor,democracy is reduced to radicals' "liberty" to kill. Look the democracy in Africa."Oppression" is nothing more than a tool of killing without being punished.

China will not buy the instigation scheme in Western country.All Chinese knew and saw Western countries are good at in instigating but not in providing solution. As long as China is still strong enough, East Turkestan Empire illusion can only be buried in the dust of history. If China is not capable of holding its territory in the future,you will see Uygurs under Afghanistan or other powers' rule,but East Turkestan? hardly find where it is.

T Watkins:

Few in the West realize there are 55 nationality groups of people that China officially recognizes as distinct minority groups.

There are the Miao Bai, Dai, Xibe, Jingpo, Usbek, Hui, Mongolian, Yao, Li Wau, Manchu, Dong and Uighurs to name a few. Minorities make up a small percentage of the 1.3 billion Chinese but constitute a large portion of the internal tension. Through the more-than 5,000 years of Chinese civilization there have been numerous minority uprisings against majority rule.


Yet I suspect it's the Uighurs (also spelled Uygur or Uigur and pronounced "we-gar") the world will be hearing more about in the future. I hope for the sake of the Chinese, Uighurs and all of humanity we do not hear of the Uighurs around conflict, terror and bloodshed -- yet, I further suspect we will in one fashion or another.

The Uighurs are a Turkish people and were a major empire in centuries past. The Uighurs converted to Islam several centuries ago. The Uighur population is disputed and ranges from 8 to 15 million strong. They are found throughout China but are concentrated in the Xinjiang (meaning "New Territory" or "New Frontier") Autonomous Region in Northwest China. Xinjiang is bordered by Kazakhstan to the north, Mongolia to the northeast, and Kirghizstan and Tajikistan to the northwest and west. To the west and southwest lie Afghanistan and Pakistan; to the south are Tibet and India. To the east, 1,500 miles away, lies Beijing, China. Xinjiang is so remote that it is obscure or nonexistent to most in the West.

The Uighurs refer to this area by its historical name, East Turkistan or Uyghuristan.

The faces of the Uighurs share few similarities with what is viewed as the typical Chinese, or Han people. They are proud to be distinct. I remember meeting a Uighur man once in Xian, the ancient capitol of China, and the end-point of the historic Silk Road. I asked him his nationality and he said, "Chinese." Then, with a full-mouth grin and looking around the market so not to be overheard, he uttered, "I am a Uighur -- not Chinese!"

Many call the Uighurs the Tibetans' Muslims. The Uighurs, like the Buddhist Tibetans, are asking for more accommodations for their disparate culture and beliefs. The Chinese will respond that many Uighurs are a terrorist faction in bed with al-Qaeda and bent on violent separatist activities. There is fear that Uighurs are planning on disrupting the Beijing Olympics to begin on ba-ba-ling ba, or 8-8-08, to gain notoriety for "their cause."

There have been historical crackdowns on the Uighurs that have been stepped up since 9-11. Many believe the Chinese have used the "international war on terror" as justification to tighten the grip on the Uighur people. Human rights groups contend the Chinese government exaggerates Uighur terrorist threats so it can clamp down on the Uighurs and arrest and torture those they suspect of being dissidents.

Like the Tibetans, the Uighurs believe the Chinese government has instituted cultural genocide against them. The Chinese would respond by claiming that after the 1949 liberation, old feudal religious habits and privileges were abolished and they have removed the control of the "reactionary ruling class" while today the Uighur people enjoy a higher standard of living and more economic opportunities. The Chinese Government sees some Uighurs as terrorists espousing separatist ideology linked with the larger Islamic Jihadist goal to overthrow existing governments and install a religious theocracy. They claim it is for these reasons China must clamp down.

Given these extreme views between the ethnic minority Uighurs and the Chinese government it is just a matter of time before the scab will be removed and the internal Chinese festering sore will come into full view. When the scab is removed, it is likely to be ugly and difficult for the world to ignore. Will the cause be seen as oppression, cultural genocide, employment and economic deprivation as charged by the Uighurs; terrorist attacks of a people longing for independence; or linked to al-Qaeda or Muslim extremists as an act of civil war against the Chinese government?

China's history has been plagued by foreign invaders and internal divisions. Perhaps the greatest fear the Chinese Ruler has is losing control that would splinter China like their old ally, the Soviet Union. The months leading up to the 2008 summer Olympics in Beijing will continue to put the spotlight of the world on China. Forces internal to China and from without are jockeying to share that limelight. China's desire to have a "harmonious rise" will be profoundly tested with the world watching over the next several months.

The Chinese have vowed to never again be splintered by external or internal forces. These realities dictate that we will be hearing more about the Tibetans and Uighurs in the future.

Let's be clear, unlike Las Vagas-- what happens in China- does not stay in China. Unrest in China will impact us all.

Anonymous:

Incidents of terrorist violence perpetrated by "Eastern Turkistan" elements over the past ten years in the Chinese territory mainly include:

On 5 April 1990, they killed and injured more than 100 civilians and soldiers in Barin Township of Kizilsu Kirgiz Autonomous Prefecture;

On 5 February 1991, the "Islamic Reformist Party" masterminded a bus explosion in Urumqi, killing and injuring over 20 people;

Between June and September 1993, the "Eastern Turkistan Democratic Islamic Party" carried out a series of bombings in southern Xinjiang, which led to more than deaths and injuries;

On 15 July 1996, the "Eastern Turkistan Islamic Justice Party" engineered a prison rebellion in Xayar County, killing 15 people and a riot in Yining on 5 February 1997, which resulted in over 300 casualties;

On 25 February 1997, the "Eastern Turkistan National Solidarity Union" staged a horrendous bomb explosion incident in Urumqi which involved nearly 100 casualties and in early 1998 the same group was responsible for 25 poisoning cases in southern Xinjiang, where over 40 people fell victim and four died;

In January 2001, Akbelbek Timur, an "Eastern Turkistan" terrorist who is now in custody, bought explosives in Kazakhstan and smuggled them into Xinjiang for attempted terrorist activities.

Anonymous:

The Relationship Between the "Eastern Turkistan" Terrorists and the Taliban in Afghanistan and Osama bin Laden

Osama bin Laden and the Taliban in Afghanistan have provided the "Eastern Turkistan" terrorist organizations with equipment and financial resources and trained their personnel. The basic facts are as follows:

1) The "Eastern Turkistan Islamic Movement" (hereinafter referred to as ETIM) is a major component of the terrorist network headed by Osama bin Laden. Hasan Mahsum, the ETIM ringleader, is hiding in Kabul, Afghanistan and carries an Afghanistan passport issued by the Taliban. Osama bin Laden demanded that the ETIM stir up turmoil in the near future in the three Central Asian countries, namely, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan, and then stage an organized infiltration into China's Xinjiang. The "Turkistan Army" under the ETIM fights in combat for the Taliban in Afghanistan. This "Army" has a special "China Battalion" with about 320 terrorists form Xinjiang. The battalion is under the direct command of Hasan Mahsum's deputy Kabar.

2) The armed elements of the ETIM received training in terrorist training camps in Afghanistan's Kabul, Mazar-i-Sharif, Kunduz, Vardak, Kandahar, Heart, Shibarghan and other places. Some of these camps are directly under the control of Osama bin Laden and the Taliban and some are military bases of the "Uzbek Islamic Movement". The "Central Asian Uygur Hezbollah" is said to have a 1000-strong armed force and have training bases in Afghanistan. The "Uygur National Army" received battle training in July and August 1999 in the Taliban bases in Afghanistan. They practiced conventional weapons with live ammunition and learned the Taliban guerilla warfare tactics and terrorist skills such as assassination, explosion and poison-doping. After their training, the "Eastern Turkistan" elements have fought in combats in Afghanistan, Chechnya and Uzbekistan, or returned to Xinjiang for terrorist and violent activities.

3) In early 1999, Osama bin Laden met with Hasan Mahsum, the ETIM ringleader, and undertook to offer him financial assistance. Since October 2000, Osama bin Laden and the Taliban have provided the ETIM with 300, 000 US dollars in various ways, and undertook to cover all the expenses of the ETIM activities for the year of 2001. The activities of the "Central Asian Uygur Hezbollah" are also partially financed by Osama bin Laden.

Anonymous:

Anonymous:
To 少侠令狐冲兄,

I like your poem about west. I am sure Mr. John Pomfret like it also. But he just need some time to absorb it.
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why are writing to yourself? are you shizo or just a trool?

Anonymous:

To 少侠令狐冲兄,

I like your poem about west. I am sure Mr. John Pomfret like it also. But he just need some time to absorb it.

Другое Объявление: :

A New Zealand farmers' group that owns part of the Chinese dairy that produced tainted milk powder linked to the sickening of more than 430 babies said Sunday it urged the company to recall the product as early as six weeks ago.

The statement from Fonterra Co-operative Group, which owns 43 percent of SanluGroup Co., came a day after China's health minister blamed the dairy for delays in warning the public about its contaminated product.

Chinese officials complained they were not alerted until Monday, even though Sanlu received complaints as early as March and company tests in August found the milk powder contained melamine, a chemical used in plastics that is banned in food products.

Sanlu, China's biggest milk powder producer, ordered a recall Thursday.

Fonterra, a dairy farmers' cooperative, said it had urged the Sanlu Group board to call for a full recall of the milk powder on Aug. 2, the day the board was notified — nearly six weeks before the recall action was taken.

"From the day that we were advised of the product contamination issue in August, Fonterra called for a full public recall of all affected product and we have continued to push for this all along," Fonterra said.

A Fonterra spokesman in New Zealand said its three directors on the Sanlu board had been pressing the board to take action since the contamination was first identified. The spokesman declined to be named, citing company policy.

Calls to Sanlu's head office in Shijiazhuang, a city southwest of Beijing, rang unanswered Sunday.

Chinese officials, meanwhile, defended their response to China's latest product safety disaster. They said Saturday that 19 people had been detained and 78 were being questioned about how the banned chemical was added to milk sold to Sanlu.

At least 432 Chinese babies who were fed Sanlu milk are suffering from kidney stones, Health Minister Gao Qiang said at a news conference Saturday. One baby reportedly died.

"The Sanlu Group should shoulder major responsibility for this," Gao said. He gave no indication of what penalties the Chinese dairy might face but said those responsible would "be dealt with severely."

The incident was an embarrassing failure for China's product safety system, which was overhauled in an attempt to restore consumer confidence after a string of recalls and warnings abroad over tainted toothpaste, faulty tires and other goods.

The milk scandal is especially damaging because it involves a major Chinese food company and the government expects such companies to act as industry role models for safety and quality.

Gao said some tainted milk powder was exported to Taiwan but none was sold to other foreign markets.

In Taiwan, authorities Saturday seized thousands of bags of Chinese milk powder. There was no word on whether any was consumed in Taiwan.

Liu Fang-ming of Taiwan's Taoyuan county government said a 55,115-pound (25,000-kilogram) shipment arrived in June, but that only 21,660 pounds (9,825 kilograms) had been recovered.

Chinese investigators were looking into how and why the melamine was added to milk.

Gao said it might have been done to fool quality tests after water was added to fraudulently increase the milk's volume. Melamine is rich in nitrogen, and standard tests for protein in food ingredients measure nitrogen levels.

Investigators are probing whether word of the contamination was suppressed, said Vice Gov. Yang Chongyong of Hebei province, where Sanlu Group is located.

"We will look into whether government at any level was negligent or whether any officials tried to withhold information," Yang said. "If we find anyone did this, they will be held accountable."

Gao said Beijing was sending experts to treat the hundreds of sick babies and would pay for their care.

"We are confident that with timely diagnosis and treatment, these infant patients will recover soon," he said.

Shoddy and fake goods are common in China, and infants, hospital patients and others have been killed or injured by tainted or fake milk, medicines, liquor and other products.

Anonymous:

Posted on September 14, 2008 10:12

Lols:
Hunt those East Turkestan Terrorists,wherever they are (lol)."Anonymous",your men are even being hunted by Pakistani. I cannot see in this world your cause will be hailed except for those western dirty politicians as well as Islamic extremists.
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buthurt much, ars_ehole?


--This is non-issue for all of our Chinese. We fully support this Chinese government and we are not satisfied it did not do as it can to punish your terrorists.--

yeahh sure.. thats why you have to pay your ocupant armies in Tibet and East Turkestan with own lives and money. just keep going bankrupt..

--"Anonymous", lying and making rumor will make your EU or U.S political masters extend your pension. So,we Chinese fully understand you and give you our sympathy.--

heay, idiot! who is here lying?

--You are totally a loser.--

not even close to be total loser as you, you failed piece of crap.

--You hang in here talking rumor,bashing everything about China.But nobody believe in you.--

whahahaha.. you must know, you chinese propaganda trash basket.

--Your presence only reinforce our impression of the duplicity of East Turkestan Terrorists.lol--

not realy.. i am just talking about China and you are just buthurt oversea parasite loser, who knows nothing about China.

Anonymous:

There are many Eastern Turkic Terrorists caught in Afghanistan with their Al Quadea brethren."Anonymous",your propaganda and brazen lie get nowhere in face of the fact.It is fun to read your virulent attacks against China in any issues,though.

--- hoa dumb chink weaboo. show me just only one i will start to belive you that east turkestan has islamists. until then you are just another Bulls-hiteater who is trying to piss everywhere without to know real problems.

Объявление:

"Meng Xuenong, governor of north China's Shanxi Province, resigned from his post Sunday in the wake of the deadly mudslide that had killed 254 people by Saturday night.

His resignation was accepted by the 5th session of the Standing Committee of the 11th Shanxi Provincial People's Congress on Sunday afternoon.

Zhang Jianmin, vice governor of Shanxi was removed from his post at the same session.

The provincial people's congress also appointed Wang Jun as the acting and deputy governor."

http://www.china.org.cn/government/appointments/2008-09/14/content_16454835.htm

Lols:

Hunt those East Turkestan Terrorists,wherever they are (lol)."Anonymous",your men are even being hunted by Pakistani. I cannot see in this world your cause will be hailed except for those western dirty politicians as well as Islamic extremists.

This is non-issue for all of our Chinese. We fully support this Chinese government and we are not satisfied it did not do as it can to punish your terrorists.

"Anonymous", lying and making rumor will make your EU or U.S political masters extend your pension. So,we Chinese fully understand you and give you our sympathy.

You are totally a loser. You hang in here talking rumor,bashing everything about China.But nobody believe in you. Your presence only reinforce our impression of the duplicity of East Turkestan Terrorists.lol

Lols:

There are many Eastern Turkic Terrorists caught in Afghanistan with their Al Quadea brethren."Anonymous",your propaganda and brazen lie get nowhere in face of the fact.It is fun to read your virulent attacks against China in any issues,though.

Anonymous:

ON THE roads crossing the dusty fields of cotton and maize around the oasis city of Kashgar, China’s police are on alert. Terrorists, as they call them, have been stepping up their attacks. Officers at checkpoints turn back foreigners venturing towards troublespots. Citizens entering Kashgar line up by the roadside to have their identity cards scanned.

Kashgar’s recent troubles began on August 4th when the police said a lorry was driven into a group of border guards jogging in the heart of the city. Home-made explosives were detonated and the police were attacked with knives. Sixteen policemen were killed, bang in front of a posh hotel. Just ahead of the opening of the Beijing Olympics, the incident unnerved the government. It blamed two “terrorists”, arrested on the spot. That is its usual term for Muslim militants pushing for the independence of Xinjiang, a vast Central Asian expanse of mountain and desert.

Despite an intensified campaign against potential troublemakers, violence has continued. On August 10th, with the games under way in Beijing, 2,800km (1,750 miles) to the east, assailants threw home-made bombs at a police station in the town of Kuqa during the night, killing a guard. Again, they were Uighurs, members of the mostly Muslim, Turkic ethnic group estimated to make up nearly half Xinjiang’s 20m population. They let off several more bombs in Kuqa’s broad, deserted shopping streets, killing a Uighur civilian.

A dangerous neighbourhood
There have since been at least two more attacks in the countryside around Kashgar. On August 12th three guards were killed at a checkpoint in Yamanya township. Two policemen were killed on August 27th in nearby Jiashi county. The official media called the attacks “terrorism”. It is the bloodiest series of such incidents in Xinjiang since the 1990s.

China likes to link Xinjiang’s troubles to the militant Islamism roiling other countries in the region. On August 28th, at a summit in Tajikistan, President Hu Jintao told fellow leaders of the Shanghai Co-operation Organisation, which groups China, Russia and four Central Asian countries, that members should “deepen co-operation” in their fight against the “three evil forces” of terrorism, separatism and religious extremism.

The police in Xinjiang have not pinned the blame for the recent violence on any terrorist group, nor has any claimed responsibility. But the official press has been less restrained. Nanfeng Chuang, a weekly magazine, said unspecified pro-independence groups outside China were “imitating al-Qaeda” and sending members into Xinjiang to organise terrorist attacks.

The group most commonly accused of waging a terror campaign in Xinjiang is the East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM), which in 2001 China described as a “major component” of Osama bin Laden’s network. Earlier this year officials said ETIM had been plotting attacks against the Olympics. A group calling itself the Turkestan Islamic Party (possibly another name for ETIM) released videos claiming responsibility for bus explosions in Shanghai in May and the south-western city of Kunming in July. But the authorities, partly perhaps to prevent fears of a spread of violence into the rest of China, denied the blasts had any terrorist connection.

In fact scant evidence has been made public of any organised terror campaign in Xinjiang or anywhere else in China. The recent attacks involved only the crudest weapons—no machine-guns or other military arms in a part of the world awash with them. In Kuqa a Chinese man shows how an explosive device had fallen to the bottom of the flight of stairs down to his shoe shop. He says the confined space concentrated the blast and enabled it to smash metal and glass shutters.

None of the attacks seems to have been aimed primarily at civilians. One did die in Kuqa, but the decision to attack at 2am does not suggest an intention to cause widespread loss of life among ordinary citizens. The killing of the border guards in central Kashgar occurred at around 8am, also a quiet time, since most people follow an unofficial local time two hours behind the Beijing hour on the clocks.

There is not much evidence either of religious extremism. There have been no reliable reports in Xinjiang of suicide-bombings, a hallmark of Islamist fanaticism. In Kuqa two attackers are said to have blown themselves up, but whether by accident or design is not clear. Eight others were shot dead by police. Li Wei of the China Institutes of Contemporary International Relations in Beijing says he believes that Xinjiang’s militants are motivated more by separatism than jihad. In the 1930s and 1940s, a Republic of East Turkestan twice enjoyed a brief independence in parts of Xinjiang. In Kashgar a few older women go out with their heads completely veiled and most women, even many schoolgirls, wear headscarves. But many young people drink alcohol and dress as fashionably as do their Han Chinese counterparts.

So China may be overstating the menace a bit, to rally international support for its crackdown. Travellers in southern Xinjiang say they often see slogans on walls warning people to shun Hizb-ut-Tahrir, an extremist group banned in much of Central Asia that wants to unite Muslims around the world under one caliphate. Others remind citizens that making one’s own way to Mecca is “illegal”. China only allows government-run trips, partly to stop pilgrims mixing with extremists.

To discourage the others
China’s heavy-handed repression angers many Uighurs. In the build-up to the games and particularly since these latest incidents, residents of Kashgar and Kuqa say many suspected of militancy have been arrested. Helmeted police cruise the streets of Kuqa at night in open-topped jeeps. A driver in Kashgar erupts with a tirade against China’s leaders—as “fascists” who do nothing but “bully” Uighurs. Security is likely to remain tight at least until after October 1st, when officials are fearful of attacks over the National Day holiday.

On July 9th near Kashgar, apparently to cow anyone plotting to disrupt the Olympics, the authorities summoned residents to a rally. Officials read out death sentences imposed on three Uighurs for terrorist offences. Notices posted around Kashgar showed the three men’s faces covered by red crosses (indicating they had been executed) and gave details of 57 others sentenced for separatist or terrorist crimes.

The Economist found a relative of one of the 57 near Kashgar. The police soon stopped the interview and detained those involved for over three hours. One officer said he had not been home for more than two weeks because of the alert in the area. A Han Chinese, unusually for a rural policeman, he carries a pistol on his hip.

Anonymous:

In the past five weeks the media has reported at great length on a series of attacks in East Turkestan (also known as Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region). Details on the attacks have been strictly controlled by Chinese authorities and often the only source for information is Xinhua News Agency, the Chinese government’s official news outlet.

As part of a long-term strategy to justify disproportionate responses to Uyghur unrest, even peaceful, Chinese officials have worked to manufacture a connection between the Uyghur people and global terror networks. Since 9/11, Chinese authorities have used the “war on terror” as a pretext to intensify its repression of Uyghurs, the overwhelming majority of whom have no connection to any terror attacks.

The Uyghur American Association (UAA) and Uyghur Human Rights Project (UHRP) have released a press pack on alleged Uyghur terrorism for members of the press. The press pack has been written to provide a detailed and clear picture on recent events in East Turkestan and the campaign to label the Uyghur people as terrorists.

The pack includes a timeline of recent terror-related incidents in East Turkestan, UAA’s position on terrorism and quotes by Ms. Rebiya Kadeer, Uyghur democracy leader, on the terrorism issue. In addition, background information on the Uyghur people and East Turkestan is provided in conjunction with details on UAA’s mission and a profile of Ms. Kadeer. Contact details are also provided for the press to contact Ms. Kadeer for interviews.

East Turkestan in the post-Olympic period is witnessing a fierce crackdown as regional and central authorities move to commit further violations of Uyghur human rights in the name of security. Recent activity by Chinese security forces, unreported by Chinese media, has included:

• The mobilization of 200,000 public security officers and armed police in East Turkestan to “prevent terrorist attacks” on China’s National Day, observed on October 1 [2008].

• The arrest of 160 Uyghur children, aged 8 to 14 years old, for participating in “illegal” religious activities. The children were brought to Bajiahu Prison in the regional capital of Urumchi, and their parents were asked for 20,000 yuan for the release of each child.

• The arrests of more than 1,000 individuals in post-attack security sweeps in Kucha and Kashgar.
The press pack seeks to assist the media by providing resources in addition to official Chinese sources as the situation continues to deteriorate in East Turkestan.

Chen:

WHY ARE EUROPEANS AND EUROPEAN-AMERICANS IN ASIA IN THE FIRST PLACE?

THERE ARE NO WHITES WHO ARE INDIGENOUS TO EAST ASIA.

*YOU DO NOT BELONG THERE.
*YOU HAVE ALREADY CAUSED ENOUGH PROBLEMS OVER THE
PAST 200 YEARS.
*YOU STILL WANT TO CONTINUE TO CAUSE PROBLEMS IN
EAST ASIA.
*YOUR RACISM IS BEYOND COMPREHENSION; JUST GET-OUT
AND CHOKE ON YOUR BIAS!!!

Lols:

It's this European "Anonymous",an Eastern Turkic Empire loser,spoiled this forum. Kick his ass outta here.Here is all about China and has nothing to do with your extreme terrorists wannabes.

少侠令狐冲:

Anonymous兄

君作甚佳,无需我改.

Anonymous:

The following song is from a Chinese Anonymous to American or Western Anonymous that in the same format and rhythm of Enrique Iglesias - Hero lyrics. (In case American Anonymous don’t like Rap, then a soft rock I wrote lyrics just for you, Song Title: Let my kick you’re a-s-s)

Start

(Whispered) Let me kick your a-s-s

Would you die if I tell you to die?
Would you go and never come back
Would you stop if I tell you stop crying
Would you kill yourself tonight?

Would you tumble if I kicked your a-s-s?
Would you die oh please tell me these
Now would you die in front your love?
I will kick your a-s-s tonight.

(Chorus)
I can be your sorrow baby
I can kick your a-s-s and sing
I will kick your a-s-s forever
I can kick your a-s-s away

Would you stop all your bu-llsh-it swears?
Would you go please don’t come back.
Am I too hard?
Have you lost your a-s-s?
I don't care I’ll kick your a-s-s tonight

Chorus

I just want to kick you (2x)
Am I too hard?
Have you lost your a-s-s?
I don't care I’ll kick you tonight

Chorus (2x)

I can kick your a-s-s away
I can be your sorrow

End.

Anonymous:

Rose:
Can anyone translate the long poem to English?
I want to know how people talk about my country's history.

Please. Thanks.

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Can anyone blow this chinese piece of trash out of Washington Post Forums? I dont want to know how people talk about roses country history by posting chinese weaboo hip-hop bulls-hit and spam here.

Please. Thanks.

Rose:

Can anyone translate the long poem to English?
I want to know how people talk about my country's history.

Please. Thanks.

Anonymous:

to 少侠令狐冲兄,

Don't forget I have a good poem also, that to cover 250 year American glorious history, and free copyright (Anyone can publish it without my permission). But I plan to finish it with a month, if you can edit for me, please. And if John could enjoy that's even better.

Chinese poem about American History By Anonymous who was pissed by American Bashers and written for the purpose of revenge(Free Copyright)
美国历史

打竹板儿说闲话,
今来说说美国佬.
美国佬他不是人,
歪把子枪上戴民主套.
偷鸡摸狗教会逐,
狼狈西蹿是其祖.
落岸抛锚新大陆,
举起火枪开杀戮.
可悲印地安全族,
子孙灭绝无生路.
若知豺狼怨报恩,
莫赐火鸡马岭薯.
移民推进新大陆,
圣经宣传火枪突.
刚刚成立十三州,
诬赖流氓罢交赎.
用其税金征壮夫,
独立为名做私务.
阔土庄园建其屋,
澹澹血迹遍地污.
油心贪得不劳利,
南非捉来黑人奴.
问君多少黑奴泪,
白白棉花润湿土.
问君多少黑奴血,
甜蜜甘糖和水流.
可悲黑人根斷絕,
忘其語言忘祭祖.
輩輩勞奴喪異鄉,
終身非法不得訴.
農奴哀嚎近百年,
日夜禱告達上主.
上天不棄哀奴淚,
林肯被選當總統.
南部八州搞分裂,
為了棉稅為其奴.
風風火火鬥志勃,
南分北統紛爭仇.
洋基撒血為一統,
南人扑倒為自由.
雖說美國民主國,
為何先烈墓多多?
雖說美國文明邦,
為何國史紙肮髒?
雖說美國人权主,
多少无辜葬灰土?
To be continued

Anonymous:

-DPP has lost their political power in Taiwan.--

whahahahaha.. realy, wich country of the Land of OZ are you living in?

--They are venting their frustration by posting large number of message on blogs related to China to try to rejuvenite their movement;--

well, actualy this topic is about US-China and Taiwan. Aside that i dont see taiwanese using chinese spam tactics to spread own lies.. they are not even using lies like you, my chinese oversea parasite.

--as negative as possible and as wide spread as possible.--

what are you trying to say?

--They might have name like John Smith, or Murton.--

what are you trying to say?

--However, they are the same group of people promoting Taiwan independent. Just ignore them, and they will go away.--

realy? woahh! those CIA agents!

Anonymous:

DPP has lost their political power in Taiwan. They are venting their frustration by posting large number of message on blogs related to China to try to rejuvenite their movement; as negative as possible and as wide spread as possible. They might have name like John Smith, or Murton. However, they are the same group of people promoting Taiwan independent. Just ignore them, and they will go away.

Anonymous:

The US trade deficit rose nearly 6% in July to $62.2 billion on surging oil and Chinese imports, the Commerce Department said today. The July gap was wider than the consensus forecast for an increase to $58 billion.

The department also revised sharply upward the June deficit to $58.8 billion from an initial estimate of $56.8 billion. July exports rose $5.4 billion to a total of $168.1 billion and imports were up $8.7 billion to $230.3 billion, the department said. On a 12-month basis, the July trade deficit was $4.9 billion higher than a year ago.

Oil imports accounted for more than half of the trade gap. Petroleum imports rose to $43.4 billion from a revised $37.3 billion, the sharpest increase in the year to date, as crude oil prices skyrocketed
The average price of imported oil shot up to $124.66 a barrel in July, from $117.13 in June. Oil prices hit record highs above $147 a barrel on July 11, but have since fallen steeply as investors worry about softening demand in the slowing global economy.

The politically sensitive issue of ballooning Chinese imports was in focus. Chinese imports swelled to $24.9 billion in July from $21.4 billion in June.

and now lets talk about Taiwan, Chinese North Korea and Chinese Philippines.

Anonymous:

The head of the Control Yuan Wang Chien-shien said Friday that he would rather have Taiwanese criminals back from China, than pandas.

The President of Beijing's Association for Relations Across the Taiwan Strait Chen Yun-lin is expected to visit Taiwan in October and perhaps bring two pandas with him. Wang called for Chen to bring back Taiwanese criminals who have committed financial crimes.

Wang also said that as more Chinese tourists come to Taiwan, Chinese criminals seeking haven here will also be a problem. Taiwan's Mainland Affairs Council said that fighting crime together will be an important issue in talks with China.


Anonymous:

How come there are always so many "Anonymous" putting up irrelavent news that are always negative about mainland China?

Are they paid agents by CIA...?

Anonymous:

The head of the Control Yuan Wang Chien-shien said Friday that he would rather have Taiwanese criminals back from China, than pandas.

The President of Beijing's Association for Relations Across the Taiwan Strait Chen Yun-lin is expected to visit Taiwan in October and perhaps bring two pandas with him. Wang called for Chen to bring back Taiwanese criminals who have committed financial crimes.

Wang also said that as more Chinese tourists come to Taiwan, Chinese criminals seeking haven here will also be a problem. Taiwan's Mainland Affairs Council said that fighting crime together will be an important issue in talks with China.

Anonymous:

Seven Mirage fighter jets roared down the runway at a sun-dappled Taiwanese air force base Friday, a stark reminder that even as the island improves its ties with rival China, it maintains readiness for a military showdown with its old foe.

The exercise was part of a two-day show of force by the Taiwan military that also included the deployment of a Lafayette frigate off the southern Taiwanese coast and a drill by combat engineers on the northern part of the island.

Since taking office almost 100 days ago, President Ma Ying-jeou has turned the corner on his predecessor's aggressive anti-China stance, beginning regular direct flights across the 100-mile (160 kilometer) -wide Taiwan Strait and opening Taiwan's doors to significantly increased numbers of mainland tourists.

Ma also has vowed to seek a formal peace treaty peace with Beijing — the two sides split amid civil war in 1949 — and work toward reconciling his desire to conduct independent foreign relations for the island of 23 million people with China's insistence that Taiwan remain an integral part of its territory.

Taiwanese Defense Ministry spokeswoman Chi Yu-lan said Ma's goals are in no way inconsistent with a strong posture for Taiwan's military.

"Taiwan's national security cannot depend on friendliness from (China)," she said. "We need a strong national defense to back up our pursuit of cross-strait peace."

The Mirage demonstration at Hsinchu Air Force Base — only minutes' flying time from China's Fujian province — was clearly meant to underscore the point. The French-made jets are a crucial part of Taiwan's front-line defense, which has long been keyed to China's threat to attack if the island ever moves to make its de facto independence permanent.

The Mirage flights came amid persistent doubts over Taiwan's defense ties with the United States, its most important foreign partner and the supplier of most of its imported weaponry.

In July the senior U.S. military commander in the Pacific asserted there is an American freeze on weapons sales to Taiwan, though the Department of State quickly disavowed those comments.

China is strongly opposed to U.S. arms sales to Taiwan, and has made that position clear in Washington.

Earlier this week there were widespread media reports that the U.S. had agreed to deliver Harpoon missiles to the Taiwanese military — an agreement that would have signaled the end to any freeze — but Chi denied this was the case.

"We have no information that the U.S. has approved such a sale," she said.

Taiwan has more than US$11 billion of military hardware on order from the United States, including Patriot PAC-3 anti-missile missiles, P-3C anti-submarine aircraft, and a feasibility study for diesel submarines. It is also attempting to win American approval for the delivery of 66 F-16 fighter jets.

Anonymous:

少侠令狐冲:
This time I must applaud Mr. Pomfret. Below is why:

I tried to put up a poem in BBC's James Reynolds' Blog, while Mr. Pomfret gracefully accepted it in here, it was removed in BBC because it was considered improper! (See my poem (under a different pen-name) "Western Reporters in Beijing" in Mr. Pomfret's "Does west's media understand China or not?" written in Chinese).

Due to this experience, I suddenly understood why U.S. defeated U.K. and able to reverse the master-servant relation: Because, though both are bad, but Americans are more honest, open and straight while the Brits are vulnerable and stubborn (or falsely "dignified"?)!

So, Mr. Pomfret beats Mr. Reynolds, and U.S. beats U.K.!

U.K. is a bandit-bandit (强盗), U.S. is hero-bandit(枭雄). This is the difference.
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what kind of drugs have you got?

Anonymous:

Anonymous:
Anonymous,

Why you like me so much?
It is because I am handsome?
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What are you traing to say?

少侠令狐冲:

This time I must applaud Mr. Pomfret. Below is why:

I tried to put up a poem in BBC's James Reynolds' Blog, while Mr. Pomfret gracefully accepted it in here, it was removed in BBC because it was considered improper! (See my poem (under a different pen-name) "Western Reporters in Beijing" in Mr. Pomfret's "Does west's media understand China or not?" written in Chinese).

Due to this experience, I suddenly understood why U.S. defeated U.K. and able to reverse the master-servant relation: Because, though both are bad, but Americans are more honest, open and straight while the Brits are vulnerable and stubborn (or falsely "dignified"?)!

So, Mr. Pomfret beats Mr. Reynolds, and U.S. beats U.K.!

U.K. is a bandit-bandit (强盗), U.S. is hero-bandit(枭雄). This is the difference.

Anonymous:

Anonymous,

Why you like me so much?
It is because I am handsome?

Anonymous:

no woman to clutch to you in bed huh,
why wake up so early, couldn't sleep?
maybe it's too much bad things you did,
that hunts you, or just loneliness
only candle knows your pain, sad for you
Still a loser.

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wait! what are you trying to say?

Anonymous:

hey, stupid idiot! we have already morning saturday here.

---

no woman to clutch to you in bed huh,
why wake up so early, couldn't sleep?
maybe it's too much bad things you did,
that hunts you, or just loneliness
only candle knows your pain, sad for you
Still a loser.

Anonymous:

Allen:
Chen - the self proclaimed son of Taiwan - is a traitor and a bandit.

If the US truly cares about human rights in Taiwan, they would leave Taiwan alone and let Taiwan peacefully re-unite with China - and not encourage a small state to hopefully provoke a large state like they did with Georgia.

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Balblabla.. noone taiwanese want to to be ocupated by chinese again. take your stupid claims and put them where the sun doesnt shine.

Anonymous:

Anonymous:
Hey Anonymous,

It is Friday evening, don't you go out?
Oh, no one wants to go out with you huh?
Loser.
---------------------------------------------

hey, stupid idiot! we have already morning saturday here.

Anonymous:

Hey Anonymous,

It is Friday evening, don't you go out?
Oh, no one wants to go out with you huh?
Loser.

Allen:

Chen - the self proclaimed son of Taiwan - is a traitor and a bandit.

If the US truly cares about human rights in Taiwan, they would leave Taiwan alone and let Taiwan peacefully re-unite with China - and not encourage a small state to hopefully provoke a large state like they did with Georgia.

Anonymous:

Don't worry, that's Swiss' job, don't you know they are making a Black-Hole Bomb? Maybe the whole world will be suck into their experiment. Don't need Swiss watch for future, too expensive anyway.

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1: i do not worry.
2: Swiss job is not swiss job. this experiment is an international.
3: WAIT, WHAT? Are you smoking sh-it again?

Anonymous:

you mean native Taiwanese? How about we kick all chinese out of the earth?

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Don't worry, that's Swiss' job, don't you know they are making a Black-Hole Bomb? Maybe the whole world will be suck into their experiment. Don't need Swiss watch for future, too expensive anyway.

Anonymous:

nope, only kick out those separatists.
---------------------------------------------
lol.. for Taiwanese pro-chinese are separatists..

Anonymous:

nope, only kick out those separatists.
-----

you mean native Taiwanese? How about we kick all chinese out of the earth?

Anonymous:

nice point here. i said ever; Taiwanese should kick all chinese ocupants out of Taiwan back to China. Together with their chinesiness, Chian Kaicheks cadaver, Konfuzius Bulls-h-it and other chinese crap.

nope, only kick out those separatists.

Anonymous:

Anonymous:
Anonymous,

You like me so much huh?
But I don't like guy.
Sorry. go somewhere else.
Talk to someone who understand you.
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what? what are trying to say?

Anonymous:

Anonymous,

You like me so much huh?
But I don't like guy.
Sorry. go somewhere else.
Talk to someone who understand you.

Anonymous:

Anonymous to Anonymous:

How about we both shut it? Together?

One two three...
-------------------------------------------

what? what are trying to say?

Anonymous:

Anonymous:
To 台灣加油,

My dad kicked me out of his house, because I wanted him to legally give me some his rooms to me, because I lived there. And he said: "It is my house. My rule. Don't think you can divide it because you sleep in it." But I did not listen. So he kicked me out, and said: "You go to live in the neighbors, or anyone who likes you or agree with you." So right now, I live in my girlfriend's house, but every weekend I hold sign and amplifier yelling in front of my father's house: "Free My Bedroom! Free My Bedroom! That Room Belongs To Me! And It should be independent!" I even cried in tears. But my father never cares. One of my high school classmates gives me a sword, and tells me: "go get your room, and defend like it is yours, so everyone would think you own the room, and maybe you father would be afraid of you, so he would do as you said."

What you think? and John?

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nice point here. i said ever; Taiwanese should kick all chinese ocupants out of Taiwan back to China. Together with their chinesiness, Chian Kaicheks cadaver, Konfuzius Bulls-h-it and other chinese crap.

Waht you think? and john?

Anonymous:

Anonymous to Anonymous:

How about we both shut it? Together?

One two three...

Anonymous:

Chinese leaders have 1.3 billion to feed,
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well, maybe they should let people to feed themselfes.. Aside that i never saw Mister president of PRC doing a farmer job.

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Why could not you guys shut it and work with your hands instead of your mouths?


how about you show us how to do it? just shut up and stop to post here, you dumb ar-seho-le.

Anonymous:

To 台灣加油,

My dad kicked me out of his house, because I wanted him to legally give me some his rooms to me, because I lived there. And he said: "It is my house. My rule. Don't think you can divide it because you sleep in it." But I did not listen. So he kicked me out, and said: "You go to live in the neighbors, or anyone who likes you or agree with you." So right now, I live in my girlfriend's house, but every weekend I hold sign and amplifier yelling in front of my father's house: "Free My Bedroom! Free My Bedroom! That Room Belongs To Me! And It should be independent!" I even cried in tears. But my father never cares. One of my high school classmates gives me a sword, and tells me: "go get your room, and defend like it is yours, so everyone would think you own the room, and maybe you father would be afraid of you, so he would do as you said."

What you think? and John?

Anonymous:

--mainlanders look at Taiwanese as family,--

yeahh sure like a familys dog on the familys cat..

---that you may see from the Olympic Marching Ceremony,--

dont saw it.

--the stadium erupted welcoming roars when Taiwan was announced,--

whatever chinese are doing..

--that you know,--

nope..

--Taiwan's future is part of China,--

yeahh.. and Swiss is the future of USA..

--and Taiwan's present state is already a part of China,--

whahahaha.. what is a world where you do live? chinese land of OZ?

--which means all Chinese will do anything to unite Taiwan,--

spoiler; Taiwan is united. No need of chinese help.

--first we beg, we even beg as father to his son, or we use all our trade, as a girl who does anything for money, or in the end, if we find out there was no hope,.--

wait, what?

aside that do with your life whatever you want. just keep it away from Taiwan.

--No one shall break Taiwan away from China period.--

you cant break something away what was never together, you fool.

--I guess, American and Westerner --

wait.. soo american are not westerner, how, now?

--can not understand what is true faith and love, that the one must reach it.--

yeahhh sure.. tell me about..

Anonymous:

To Tom Watkins,

For life there are needs and wants,
if you have no rice, why bother rights?
Chinese leaders have 1.3 billion to feed,
US leader should concentrate on their own crumbling down economy, education, and healthcare system, security policy, they don't even have a plan right now, change? sure, it is changing to a worse direction.

Why anyone even bother about free speech and rights?!

Why could not you guys shut it and work with your hands instead of your mouths?

You guys don't even know that China and US are not on the same page, in fact, you don't even read the pages of your leaders, then how the hack you going to change others? Telling others what to do.

Do you really think that you holding a amplifier in the park, and yelling out in your national convention could improve your country? or liberal journal paper would solve national and global problem, who is reading Washington page counters and monthly profit report?

Then, how is US right now? A very good result nation? free of problems? a good Model?
You have all the rights, democracy, liberty...
but you still struggle with all the problems, don't you?

You American really want others to follow you?
Shut up and clean up yourselves and do your own work that first manage your country well, so others will naturally copy you without you telling them, like we copy your movie DVDs and software Disk and good brand name cloth and leather bags.

Less talking, more working.

台灣加油:

Re: "Chinese will do anything to unite Taiwan, first we beg, we even beg as father to his son"

Even the son must move out of the house eventually and live independently from his father :-)

Anonymous:

mainlanders look at Taiwanese as family, that you may see from the Olympic Marching Ceremony, the stadium erupted welcoming roars when Taiwan was announced, that you know, Taiwan's future is part of China, and Taiwan's present state is already a part of China, which means all Chinese will do anything to unite Taiwan, first we beg, we even beg as father to his son, or we use all our trade, as a girl who does anything for money, or in the end, if we find out there was no hope, we will throw our life and everything else to go for it.

No one shall break Taiwan away from China period.

I guess, American and Westerner can not understand what is true faith and love, that the one must reach it.

Tom Watkins:

Will a President Obama be beholden to special interest constituencies on the issue of China?
China trade issues are important in a state like Michigan that has been in recession for several years and in a nation that may have entered one. The U.S. and Chinese economies are so inextricably linked that when our economy sputters, it affects China -- and vice versa.

The Chinese government is holding in excess of a trillion dollars in U.S. securities. The Chinese fear the global economic slowdown being led by the U.S. will stifle their jobs boom that has moved hundreds of millions out of abject poverty and created the Chinese equivalent of the "American dream."

The Communist leaders fear instability and chaos that could be sparked by an economic slowdown. After all, Chinese citizens appear to tolerate corruption and less freedom and democracy in exchange for economic progress.

The Olympic games in Beijing have unleashed a pent-up sense of pride and nationalism among the Chinese people. The Communist leaders, if perceived to be bullied on trade by a new American president, will be forced to respond in kind to avoid being seen as weak by their citizens.

A major recession in China, combined with a threat of a trade war with the West, will exacerbate our economic woes, causing greater job losses here in America.

Obama has caused some worries by calling for the reopening and renegotiation of trade pacts, such as the North American Free Trade Agreement. He called on President Bush to boycott the Beijing Olympics opening ceremony. While President Bush has flaws, in this instance, he did the right thing by meeting with dissidents and raising issues of freedom while attending the opening ceremony to cheer on America's athletes and show respect for the Chinese people.

There have been calls on China to address its currency manipulation. But this lacks strength when our nation has failed to get our fiscal house in order -- borrowing money from China and Japan to underwrite America's escalating debt and being mired in the mortgage crisis.

The right approach is to avoid sound-bite diplomacy and instead develop constructive and cooperative relationships with China's leaders to make progress on trade and human rights.

A President Obama who is unable to back-pedal from his election-year get-tough rhetoric could set in motion an economic tsunami that will wash over both our countries.

If we are going to have both the change we can believe in and count on in this global knowledge economy, it will require a president who not only can take on our enemies abroad -- but his friends here at home for the good of the country. This, in turn, will help create security for us all.

令狐冲:

Hi, Anonymous

That is what I said: I just finished seeing a TV series drama on the Tang dynasty empress Wu Ze Tian. It is indeed hard to step down from power. Hope we can all learn something from her (she stepped down from the throne though not so willingly).

Now it's your term to decode your message...

Anonymous:

令狐冲:
刚看完关于武则天的连续剧。退位是很难的。但天下毕竟是大唐的天下。希望大家都学武媚娘。


नई दिल्ली। भारत-अमेरिका परमाणु करार पर करसत कर रहे दोनों देशों के लिए मंगलवार को एक अच्छी खबर आई। चीन ने करार की राह में रोड़े नहीं अटकाने के संकेत दिए। हालांकि एक प्रमुख शस्त्र नियंत्रण संगठन ने फिर करार को मंजूरी नहीं दिए जाने की अपील दोहराई है।

चीनी विदेश मंत्रालय के प्रवक्ता जिंयाग यू ने मंगलवार को कहा कि चीन ने एनएसजी की बैठक में हमेशा सकारात्मक भूमिका निभाई है और चीन का मत है कि हर देश को परमाणु ऊर्जा विकसित करने का हक है। हालांकि यह परमाणु अप्रसार के दायरे में होना चाहिए।

एक दिन पहले चीन के सरकारी अखबार में करार की आलोचना की गई थी। इसे चीन के नकारात्मक रुख के तौर पर लिया गया था।

इस बीच अमेरिका के एक प्रमुख शस्त्र नियंत्रक संगठन ने एनएसजी सदस्यों से करार के संशोधित मसौदे को भी रद कर देने की अपील की है। आ‌र्म्स कंट्रोल एसोसिएशन का कहना है कि भारत को परमाणु व्यापार से संबंधित छूट देना परमाणु अप्रसार के लिहाज से खतरनाक होगा।

जापान के नागरिक संगठन भी भारत-अमेरिकी परमाणु करार के विरोध में हैं। खास कर परमाणु बम का दंश झेल चुके नागासाकी के लोग एनएसजी के छह सदस्यों से इस करार का विरोध करने की अपील करने की तैयारी में हैं।

एनएसजी गुरुवार को जेनेवा में करार पर विचार करेगा। एनएसजी में यदि एक देश भी भारत-अमेरिका के संशोधित मसौदे को खारिज करता है, तो पूरी कवायद बेकार चली जाएगी।

令狐冲:

刚看完关于武则天的连续剧。退位是很难的。但天下毕竟是大唐的天下。希望大家都学武媚娘。

Anonymous:

Representatives from the United States and China will meet Tuesday at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library in Yorba Linda, California, to discuss a full docket of trade issues that will no doubt include China’s massive trade surplus, the appreciation of the yuan, and a possible lawsuit over export restrictions.

The meeting is part of the U.S.-China Joint Commission on Commerce and Trade (JCCT), which is celebrating its 25th anniversary. U.S. Secretary of Commerce Carlos Gutierrez and U.S. Trade Representative Susan Schwab will co-chair the meeting with Chinese Vice-Premier Wang Qishan. Wang will make the trip with a dozen officials from the Ministry of Commerce, the Ministry of Finance, the Ministry of Agriculture, the Foreign Ministry, and others, Xinhua reported
http://www.moneymorning.com/2008/09/12/china-trade-talks/

Anonymous:

senior Bush administration official says that although Kim may not be close to death, the U.S. does not accept reports from South Korea that he’s on his way to a rapid recovery.

The official told FOX News the United States is naturally engaging the Chinese about what to do if there is ensuing instability in North Korea.

There is no logical successor to Kim. He has not been grooming one of his sons to replace him, as Kim’s father, Kim Il Sung, groomed him.

The official told FOX News there are no signs of instability in North Korea now, but the likelihood of a smooth transition of power in that country is not high.

The source said the Chinese are reluctant to admit the discussions publicly, because of their close relationship with North Korea.

The official said Kim obviously is physically impaired or he’d have taken part in this week celebration marking the nation's 60th anniversary. The ceremony contained some production elements to obscure the fact that Kim wasn’t there.

Media reports Thursday said Kim’s condition has improved but that he could have partial paralysis on one side.

With that degree of physical impairment, doctors say, there is often some mental impairment. And if he were incapacitated, it could have serious implications for international negotiation on the country’s nuclear disarmament.

The Bush official pointed to two recent decisions in the six-party talks that both need Kim’s approval and seem to have been put on hold: North Korea’s release of a verification protocol on its nuclear disarmament, and an agreement with the Japanese on abductions.

The official called the talks with the Chinese about as sensitive as they come. He said it would be irresponsible, given North Korea’s nuclear weapons, not to be holding them.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,421201,00.html

Anonymous:

JiaMing:
The international playground belongs to the big powers.--

words wich sound good with saying nothing..


--The power struggle will continue forever.--

words wich sound good with saying nothing..

--Taiwan, whether you regard it as a nation or a Chinese territory,--

Manshurians are the nation, the Han are the nation, Mongols are the nation taiwanese are the nation. Taiwan is an island and the teritory.
More see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State

-- has no freedom to determine its own destiny, just like Georgia and Iraq.--

It has and it does.

--Comparing Taiwan to S. Korea, we can appreciate the power of big power.--

wait what?

--Basically, the two big powers are in direct conflict of interest over this territory.--

lol..

--S. Korea is almost the same size and population as Taiwan, yet no great powers claims it.--

what?

Michael Turton:

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To Michael Turton: Chen's usual tactics of ratcheting up tensions with China to gain his political support gradually lost its appeal as his term wound down. So ratcheting up tensions during the quiet period you mentioned will not help because China know Chen is a lost president.
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I did not mention "a quiet period" but perhaps the worst and most tumultuous of his presidency.

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It is increasingly clear to even the densest intellect that Chen Shui Bian, other than ratcheting tension across the straits during his reign, was busy lining his own pockets.
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....with money donated to him. No government money has been found in his accounts. We dense intellects are strange: we demand evidence.

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The last chapter of the drama of his utter failure as a statesman is whether and how he will wiggle out of the prosecution of his money laundering shenanigans.
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Since no evidence of "money laundering" has been found and since the crimes he admitted to carry small fines (and the laws on election donations are quite ambiguous) I do not foresee the wily Chen being given serious jail time. "Money laundering" at present remains an unsubstantiated claim of his enemies.

As for "utter failure as a statesman" one need only compare Ma's foreign policy retreat and failure on every front, with the rational and forward-looking policies of the DPP under Chen that beat back China's attempt to annex the island for eight years -- even though the KMT was busy cooperating with the CCP to undercut Taiwan at every turn. Not a bad legacy, and I suspect once the Ma administration is gone, Chen will be viewed in a much better light.

Well, viewed in a better light by commentators who use history, not Beijing talking points, as their data for analysis....

Michael


Tango:

'The Bush administration's lack of interest in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization -- which is in fact a regional security group linking Russia, Central Asia and China -- is not terribly surprising. Since 9/11, President Bush, who won the White House in part by vowing to take a tough line against China, has concentrated on the Muslim world. To win global support for the war on terrorism, his administration has stopped calling Beijing a "strategic competitor," as he did before 9/11.

But even as the administration praises China, Beijing is subtly working to increase its global influence. In the long run, China could become the first major power since the former Soviet Union to threaten U.S. international influence.

China has other new means of leverage over the U.S. Having amassed more than $1 trillion in reserves partly through its persistent trade surpluses with America, Beijing theoretically could undermine the U.S. economy by selling massive amounts of U.S. treasuries, which would deflate the dollar. But because a weakened U.S. economy would slow China's growth as well, it's highly unlikely that China would take this step.

China's domestic economic strategies potentially threaten the U.S. as well. Despite these threats, the U.S.-China relationship is not headed for a Cold War-like standoff. China is heavily dependent on U.S. investment, just as the U.S. is reliant on China's consumption of greenbacks, a symbiosis that has made China, in the words of Comedy Central's Stephen Colbert, a "frenemy" -- a friend and an enemy all at once.

Confronting a "frenemy" will be tougher than fighting an enemy, because Washington must simultaneously cooperate and compete with Beijing. To do that successfully, the U.S. must treat China with the same respect it had for the Soviet Union ...'

http://www.carnegieendowment.org/publications/index.cfm?fa=view&id=19555&prog=zch

Laohu:

To Michael Turton

It is increasingly clear to even the densest intellect that Chen Shui Bian, other than ratcheting tension across the straits during his reign, was busy lining his own pockets. The last chapter of the drama of his utter failure as a statesman is whether and how he will wiggle out of the prosecution of his money laundering shenanigans.

In the meantime, China is winning the soft power race around the world while the American unilateralism has been dismissed with disdain. Should there be any future dispute between America and China, the world opinion will be firmly on the side of China. Selling arms to Taiwan while good for business will not improve the balance between the two powers.

JiaMing:

The international playground belongs to the big powers. The power struggle will continue forever. Taiwan, whether you regard it as a nation or a Chinese territory, has no freedom to determine its own destiny, just like Georgia and Iraq. Comparing Taiwan to S. Korea, we can appreciate the power of big power. Taiwan is claimed by China, but protected by the US. Basically, the two big powers are in direct conflict of interest over this territory. S. Korea is almost the same size and population as Taiwan, yet no great powers claims it. It is able to act a lot more on behalf of its own self-interest. My prediction is Taiwan will remain semi-independent for another 20 years or so before it is officially reunite with China. The attraction of the Chinese identity as China's power grows will have Taiwan asking for reunification.

thmak:

To Michael Turton: Chen's usual tactics of ratcheting up tensions with China to gain his political support gradually lost its appeal as his term wound down. So ratcheting up tensions during the quiet period you mentioned will not help because China know Chen is a lost president.
"advocating democracy and independence is an example of crazed antics, but threatening to murder people wholesale with bombs and missiles to prevent them from asserting their democracy and independent status is an act of Serious People" is the USA policy in the Middle East. All that Chen's accommodation with China was done to help Taiwan's dire economic condition. Taiwan dare not to challenge China to compete in economic achievements or as model of economic development as in the past. I hope you understand.

Michael Turton:

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John (Pomfret),

This is complete non-sense. I thought you had a good understanding of Asian politics.
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Peacemaker, it is an article of faith among correspondents who have served in Beijing but not Taipei that Chen took every opportunity to rile Beijing, etc. I once had an exchange with a CS Monitor reporter, who bizarrely claimed that Chen ratcheted up tensions with China whenever he was in trouble. So I sent him two months worth of headlines during the time his wife was indicted, the faux Shih Ming-te protests, etc, headlines from the pro-KMT China Post. The kicker was the last headline, saying that China-Taiwan relations had never been quieter, testimony before the US Congress from the head of the CIA. It was the usual nonsense.

The alternative view unfortunately requires the global media to admit that it has become a giant Wurlitzer that China can play at will simply by "being provoked." The weirdness of Pomfret's position is twofold -- (1) he will be unable to give even a single example of such "antics" and (2) the media thinks that advocating democracy and independence is an example of crazed antics, but threatening to murder people wholesale with bombs and missiles to prevent them from asserting their democracy and independent status is an act of Serious People. The reality is that the radicals are in Beijing, not Taipei.

Thus we have the totally slanted comment that Ma Ying-jeou represents the "first real chance in eight years" to have improved ties. What universe did that comment originate in? Chen and the DPP has been conducting negotiations with Beijing for eight years. We have direct flights, exchange students, tourism, law enforcement exchanges, and of course, legalized investment from Taiwan with more than $150 billion invested. China could have had good relations with Taiwan any time it liked, but it simply refused to have them, attacking Chen as a "radical" while waiting for a more pro-China, less pro-Taiwan government to appear. But the idea that Chen did not want good relations with China is a pro-Beijing absurdity. The issue was not that Chen's DPP did not want good relations, but that they drew the line at sovereignty, which Ma Ying-jeou's KMT does not.

Other than the pro forma and uninformed hack on Chen, this is a fairly good overview of the problems we face here. Pomfret is also correct in noting we will see continuity in Taiwan policy no matter who is elected. McCain, it should be noted, is advised by the very able Randall Shriver.

Michael Turton
The View from Taiwan blog

Jack:

The real issue isn't Taiwan but oil in the seas around Taiwan. Seven nations claim sovereignty over the south china sea and it is the only place where geologists surmise there might be substantial amounts of undiscovered oil.

China's consumption of oil grew 16.8% last year and had been growing 7.5% a year prior to that. Much of China's ability to pay for that oil is fueled by our trade deficits with China, Europe, and Japan. China runs trade surpluses with all three nations (Europe isn't a nation but a group of nations). Neither Japan nor Europe could run deficits with China unless they ran surpluses with us because neither Japan nor Europe have the sufficient raw materials to run their economies.

Yet, China even though running trade surpluses of over 400 billion a year with the trio of US, Europe, and Japan has only a modest trade balance due to the high price of oil it imports. The chinese people no longer starved into submission as they were under Mao are now demanding of their leaders to keep progress moving fast ahead.

But as current rates of consumption in the near future there won't be enough oil for China and the US let alone Japan and Europe. The US needs to get out of the foreign oil import business and fast so that it can be a disinterested neutral party to smooth out the conflicts.

Citizen of the post-American world:

I understand "Richard Armitage for McCain" is not "a bomb thrower", "and that's a good thing".

Is it the same Armitage, a most charming and engaging fellow who, not long ago, on behalf of the United States of America, threatened Lt. Gen. Mahmud Ahmed, head of ISI, Pakistan’s intelligence service, to “bomb Pakistan back to the Stone Age”?

Instead of stirring trouble in China, the US should heed what American historian Howard Zinn was reported saying, yesterday, in an interview with Al Jazeera:

“America has been heading - for some time, and is heading right now - toward less and less world power, less and less influence… and if American foreign policy continues in the way it has been - that is aggressive and violent and uncaring about the feelings and thoughts of other people - then the influence of the United States is going to decline more and more. This is an empire … that is crumbling - an empire that has no future ... [This is] leading to more and more discontent and home, so I think the American empire will go the way of other empires and I think it is on its way now.

If there is any hope, the hope lies in the American people… [It] lies in American people becoming resentful enough and indignant enough over what has happened to their country, over the loss of dignity in the world, over the starving of human resources in the United States, the starving of education and health, the takeover of the political mechanism by corporate power and the result this has on the everyday lives of the American people…

I think all of this may very well build up into a movement of rebellion… whatever hope there is lies in that large number of Americans who are decent, who don't want to go to war, who don't want to kill other people... And when people organised, and when people began to act, when people began to work together, people began to take risks, people began to oppose the establishment, people began to commit civil disobedience. Well, then that hope became manifest ... it actually turned into change… My hope is that the American people will rouse themselves and change this situation, for the benefit of themselves and for the benefit of the rest of the world.” ***

*** Howard Zinn, “US 'in need of rebellion'”

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2008/09/20089814415795791.html

A-gu:

Why is this even a question? If Washington refuses to sell arms to Taiwan, the jig is up.

Anonymous:

Too late, the Russians are already falling all over themselves selling even better weapons to anyone who hates the U.S. --

thats just wrong.. aside that if you want to talk about russia they have nice blogs about in washington post.

Anonymous:

For the U.S. to take Taiwan away from China, China would have to take Taiwan first. Your statement really makes no sense whatever. When did the U.S. ever covet Taiwan?

If China could take Taiwan it would have done so a long time ago. That's the power of freedom. For some crazy reason the people of Taiwan prefer their own imperfect government to the near absolute corruption of the police state across the strait.
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i think for Taiwanese its all not about the goverment only. its more about forced "chinesiness", forced "think right or you face a jail" and national freedom to form own future by own will.

aside that if China will take Taiwan by force who will stop indians and koreans to make a same with China? Who will stop tibetans and uighurts and mongols to choice a power of the war for own indepence?

Robert17:

Anonymous:

Well, with china's military modernization well in progress, any weapon sale to Taiwan risk the retaliation from Chinese of doing the same to Iran, North Korean, etc. China' J 10, although not on par with F-22, is said to be comparable to F-16. Such weapon sales to Iran will complicate US's policy toward Iran.

Just my 2 cents.

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Too late, the Russians are already falling all over themselves selling even better weapons to anyone who hates the U.S.

Robert17:

jiaming:

Again, it's all about power. The US took Kosovo from Serbia like taking candy away from a child. America thought Russia is gutless, standing by while it sent NATO troops into the former Soviet Republics, so it told Georgia to take S. Ossetia. Russia finally got angry and the US backs off.

The US knows Taiwan is not Kosovo, and China is no Serbia. It's really as simple as that. If the US could take Taiwan away from China, it would have done it long ago. The thing is, Chen Shui Bian was in power for 8 years and couldn't make Taiwan any more independent than it was before. That is the power of power. As China continues to rise, Taiwan cannot go against the current.

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For the U.S. to take Taiwan away from China, China would have to take Taiwan first. Your statement really makes no sense whatever. When did the U.S. ever covet Taiwan?

If China could take Taiwan it would have done so a long time ago. That's the power of freedom. For some crazy reason the people of Taiwan prefer their own imperfect government to the near absolute corruption of the police state across the strait.

Mogens Jensen:

Sake good order and to avoid further discussion -ON behalf of the Royal Kingdom of Denmark I hereby annex Taiwan. Any protesting countries will be annexed as well.

Anonymous:

--I wouldn't sell the weapons to the KMT. They're Chinese.-- i would buy some cheap chips from North Korea and send chinese ocupants back to China.

--They're not going to give them to the mainland, but they will help them make the best deal for themselves here on the island.--

Stupid is that CCP cant take them like Hongkong triads and bankers.. to much political history and anticomunist friends inbetween if know what i mean..

--The CCP runs the show on the mainland and the KMT runs the island.
All as members of one big Chinese family.--

yep.. a family who should be united on mainland and without to gift them Taiwanese people.

Anonymous:

--Again, it's all about power.--

What kind of?

--The US took Kosovo from Serbia like taking candy away from a child.--

any proofs for this dream?

--America thought Russia is gutless, standing by while it sent NATO troops into the former Soviet Republics, so it told Georgia to take S. Ossetia. Russia finally got angry and the US backs off.--

wait, what? any proofs anyone?

--The US knows Taiwan is not Kosovo, and China is no Serbia.--

nooooooooooo, reaaaalyyy??

--It's really as simple as that.--

wait, what?

--If the US could take Taiwan away from China, it would have done it long ago.--

wait, what?

--The thing is, Chen Shui Bian was in power for 8 years and couldn't make Taiwan any more independent than it was before.--

yeahhh sure..

--That is the power of power. As China continues to rise, Taiwan cannot go against the current.--

lol.. then go and try to take it..

Anonymous:

The Chinese Government attaches great importance to the well-being of the 23 million Taiwan compatriots and understands their aspiration for and feeling about participating in international activities.--

lol.. sarcasm pure..

Anonymous:

---The United Nations and its specialized agencies are intergovernmental organizations composed only of sovereign States.--

whahahahaha.. stupid chinese ..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State

---Mr Pomfret, what exactly did Chen do? Did he make a unilateral declaration of independence? Did he try to chance the constitution to declare Taiwan independent and/or not part of China?--

No need for that. Taiwan is already independent. But it were useful to ban chinese symbols and declarate themselfes not to be an ancestor of chinese ocupants aka "Republic_of_China".

Anonymous:

--This is a violation of China’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, and interference in China’s internal affairs, and is thus firmly opposed by the Chinese Government and people.--

WHAT? why at the heck should this dutch island be a chinese integrity and Chinas internal affairs?

Anonymous:

鄉親們:
別与那些西方無賴混在一起,浪費我們無价的生命和青春.
請讀下面這篇鴻文"大国游戏".把它介紹給你認識的人.


http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_521090fd01009ggk.html

Как сообщает Washington Post, группа учёных из Второго Шанхайского медуниверситета (Shanghai Second Medical University) под руководством женщины — Хуэйчжень Шен (Huizhen Sheng) — сотворила более ста гибридных эмбрионов, соединив клетки человеческой кожи с яйцеклетками кроликов.

Гибридам в течение нескольких дней позволили развиваться в лабораторных блюдцах, а потом уничтожили, чтобы получить из них эмбриональные стволовые клетки — законодательство Поднебесной не позволяет выращивать эмбрионов для опытов больше 14 дней.


И вроде как всё у китайцев получилось, хотя аналогичные эксперименты американских учёных, которые пытались создать гибридные эмбрионы, соединяя человеческие клетки с яйцеклетками коров, успешными не были.

Anonymous:

1. By raising the so-called proposal on "Taiwan’s participation in the activities of United Nations specialized agencies", Nauru, the Gambia and a very few other countries intend to create "two Chinas" or "one China, one Taiwan". This is a violation of China’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, and interference in China’s internal affairs, and is thus firmly opposed by the Chinese Government and people. Such practice runs counter to the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations as well as the constitutions and statutes of specialized agencies of the United Nations system. It is also detrimental to the prevailing good momentum in the peaceful development of cross-Strait relations.

2. There is only one China in the world. No matter what changes occur in cross-Strait relations, China’s adherence to the one China principle will never change. For historical and other reasons, the mainland and the Taiwan region are not yet reunited, but the fact that the two sides belong to one and the same China has never changed. As China is the shared homeland of the Chinese people across the Taiwan Strait, the 23 million Taiwan compatriots are important components of the Chinese nation, and people on the two sides of the Strait share the same blood and destiny.

3. The United Nations and its specialized agencies are intergovernmental organizations composed only of sovereign States. This is clearly stipulated in the Charter of the United Nations and the constitutions and statutes of the specialized agencies. The so-called "principle of universality" is also based on sovereign States. As a part of China, Taiwan is not a sovereign State. The claim by a very few countries that specialized agencies should allow the Taiwan region to "participate" in their activities under the "principle of universality" is unfounded. Since 1993, the General Committee and successive sessions of the General Assembly have rejected the motion on the so-called "Taiwan’s participation" or "membership" in the United Nations tabled by a very few countries each year. Since 1997, the Executive Board of the World Health Organization (WHO) and successive sessions of the World Health Assembly have also rejected the motion tabled each year by a very few countries on Taiwan’s "membership" or "participation" in the World Health Assembly as an observer. Facts have amply proved that the Taiwan region is not eligible to "participate" in the activities of specialized agencies.

4. The Chinese Government attaches great importance to the well-being of the 23 million Taiwan compatriots and understands their aspiration for and feeling about participating in international activities. The Chinese Government is never opposed to commercial and cultural exchanges and cooperation between the Taiwan region and other parts of the world. In 2005, on the basis of the one China principle, the Chinese Government reached with the Secretariat of the World Health Organization a memorandum of understanding, which provides facilitation to medical experts of the Taiwan region in their participation in WHO technical conferences and activities. The Taiwan region has unfettered access to health and medical information of the World Health Organization. The Chinese Government has also adopted a fully flexible and constructive attitude towards Taiwan’s participation in multilateral activities in organizations such as the World Trade Organization and APEC.

5. Since March this year, thanks to the concerted efforts of people on both sides of the Taiwan Strait, cross-Strait relations have shown a good momentum of improvement and development. Under the new circumstances, we will firmly adhere to the theme of peaceful development in cross-Strait relations, and continue to enhance our exchanges and cooperation in all areas. It is true that there are still some outstanding questions left over from history and some of them are hard nuts to crack for the time being. But we anticipate that the two sides will make joint efforts, under the one China principle, towards the establishment of a framework for peaceful development of cross-Strait relations and strive for a new prospect in the relationship.

As an internal affair of the Chinese people, the participation of Taiwan compatriots in international activities should be resolved through consultation by the Chinese people across the Taiwan Strait. We are fully confident that, so long as the two sides work together in a spirit of "building mutual trust, putting aside differences, seeking common ground and striving for a win-win result", we will surely be able to create conditions and find an appropriate solution through consultation.

6. The Chinese Government urges Nauru, the Gambia and a very few other countries to observe the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations, especially the principles of respecting State sovereignty and territorial integrity and non-interference in other countries’ internal affairs, and comply with the constitutions and statutes of specialized agencies. We urge them to stop doing things that undermine China’s interests and hurt the feelings of the Chinese people, and refrain from creating obstacles to the peaceful development of cross-Strait relations. We hope Member States will continue to adhere to the one China principle, appreciate and support the efforts made by the Chinese Government to maintain peaceful development of cross-Strait relations, and work concertedly to safeguard peace and stability in the Asia-Pacific region and the world as a whole.

I have the honour to request that the present letter be circulated as a document of the General Assembly, under item 112 of the provisional agenda.

(Signed) Wang Guangya
Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary and Permanent Representative of the People’s Republic of China to the United Nations

Nym:

Yes absolutely. China is too irresponsible in it's relationship with neighboring countries to be trusted with managing their own relationship with Taiwan without screwing it up completely.

Look at it's so-called client states, Burma and North Korea? I mostly wonder if they keep these fruitcakes around to look better standing next to.

Taiwan being Taiwan provides them with an opportunity to act with a neighbor without being idiots. The problem is China's been doing an arms buildup and bellowing a lot like nitwits about Taiwanese politics.

China ought to have figured out from the Olympics that it's got a heck of a lot to learn about being an international leader, and the way it's been acting towards Taiwan is an area that could use a clear improvement. The saddest thing is that China fritters away hard power against a place it should be trading with like brothers. They'd be better off provoking some changes to Burma rather than Taiwan. Will that happen? Probably never, it might mean actual work to do it...

greg:

You forgot to note that Ma's own KMT voted down the purchase of the weapons over 60 times, and Ma refused to explain to the United States Congress what was going on.

Stephen Young, the head of AIT, said at a 2006 press conference that Taiwan should not be politicizing national security. He was roundly criticized by the KMT. And while Chen, was and is a great disappointment, 37 years of KMT martial law was despicable.

I wouldn't sell the weapons to the KMT. They're Chinese.

They're not going to give them to the mainland, but they will help them make the best deal for themselves here on the island. The CCP runs the show on the mainland and the KMT runs the island.
All as members of one big Chinese family.

Tom:

to 鄉親們:

The linked article is nothing more than a man's (who clearly has not yet escaped the dated cold war mindset) ridiculous analysis

你連出來的那篇文章只不過是一個還沒從過時冷戰思維中走出來的人的意想天開之作

jiaming:

Again, it's all about power. The US took Kosovo from Serbia like taking candy away from a child. America thought Russia is gutless, standing by while it sent NATO troops into the former Soviet Republics, so it told Georgia to take S. Ossetia. Russia finally got angry and the US backs off.

The US knows Taiwan is not Kosovo, and China is no Serbia. It's really as simple as that. If the US could take Taiwan away from China, it would have done it long ago. The thing is, Chen Shui Bian was in power for 8 years and couldn't make Taiwan any more independent than it was before. That is the power of power. As China continues to rise, Taiwan cannot go against the current.

鄉親們:

別与那些西方無賴混在一起,浪費我們無价的生命和青春.
請讀下面這篇鴻文"大国游戏".把它介紹給你認識的人.


http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_521090fd01009ggk.html

Anonymous:

Well, with china's military modernization well in progress, any weapon sale to Taiwan risk the retaliation from Chinese of doing the same to Iran, North Korean, etc. China' J 10, although not on par with F-22, is said to be comparable to F-16. Such weapon sales to Iran will complicate US's policy toward Iran.

Just my 2 cents.

Anonymous:

it is best for US to sell Taiwan arms as much as possible, good for US;
it is best for Taiwan to remain not to be independent as long as possible, good for Taiwan.
it is best for China to keep our promise that as long as Taiwan is stable and don't seek independent, then we never will force them, good for us.

ps. Even Taiwan set a population pull to vote for independent, the majority of Taiwan dare not to vote yes.

Chinese keep our promise, if we say we will build blue sky, we build blue sky.

Anonymous:

To Claudia and Raj,

Chen surely provoked us, and you guys. But you are not Taiwan residents, it is okay for you to challenge like you really care about Taiwan Chinese.

But one thing you just remember, if we China can bully Taiwan, surely we hold all the confidence and cards to decide Taiwan's fate according to Taiwan government's behavior, we can use all these money to build and set off fireworks for Olympic, also we are able to do a great job to solve Taiwan problem that any way we want to.

Right now, KMT's leader really works for Taiwan people to build a bridge to China, and setting the sea ports for the benefit of Taiwan. But in future, when China becomes Democratic nation, still Taiwan will face danger if they think they can run away from democratic nation.

US president will favor Main Land always, any people will know to do the right thing.

It is the power that plays, no one can do anything about it.

Look at Georgia and Russia, both are democratic nation, still when the independent game plays, people jump into war.

What reason US postpones the deal of arm sale to Taiwan is not big deal, but don't think Taiwan could ever run away with a bagful of firecrackers.

funny.

Raj:

One other thing.

"One explanation was that everything was put on hold so that Bush could go to Beijing for the Olympics and not have a multi-billion dollar arms package ruin his fun. But the Olympics are over and still there's no action."

Yes, because Congress was in recess until yesterday. Go to the DSCA's website and you'll see a big list of arms sales that were notified to Congress on only the second day it had returned from the summer break - more will doubtless follow in the next few weeks. Only after those weeks are up and Congress goes into recess will we see if arms sales to Taiwan are included - and whether Bush is going to leave a big headache for the next president.

Raj:

"Chen's strategically goofy habit of continually and unnecessarily irritating China at every turn helped push Bush further and further away from his party's historical support for Taiwan."

Mr Pomfret, what exactly did Chen do? Did he make a unilateral declaration of independence? Did he try to chance the constitution to declare Taiwan independent and/or not part of China? He didn't do any of those things. He simply tried to stand up to China's bullying and tag-teaming with the KMT opposition to derail his presidency, whilst standing up for his country.

The US wasn't interested in what Chen did, it only cared about how China reacted. Beijing faked anger and played Bush well to get what it wanted. It demanded Washington isolate Taiwan or it would stop playing ball over Iran, North Korea, etc.

It's clear that Beijing got Mr Pomfret dancing to its tune over Chen too.

Claudia:

If you give China an inche, they take a mile. I don't think President Chen 'provoked' China. China antagonised Taiwan when Chen was in power but told everyone that Chen refused to be friendly. President Chen was protecting Taiwanese sovereignty and basic human rights.

I wonder how the author define 'friendly'. Ma is not being 'friendly' towards China. He's kowtowing to China. Ma has caved in on so many levels but China is still increasing the number and the sophitiscation of their missiles aiming at Taiwan. China is still excluding Taiwan from international participation. There's no real goodwill on China's part.

thmak:

USA has seen her antagonistic policy toward China crumbling ever since the start of the Chinese civil war. USA last effort to pop up the Chen government has failed miserably due to Chen family's enormous corruption in the first so-called democratic Taiwan government together with the poor Taiwan economic condition compared to China. The Taiwan government so deeply embraced by the American government and the public to be a show case for democracy has fatally failed. Taiwan cannot be used by USA as a bargaining chip with China anymore. Facing that dim prospect, arming Taiwan with outdated weapons can only ruin any good relation with China. By not selling those outdated weapons, USA can show good intention to China. The recent overwhelming election of Mr Ma and the failed independence attempt by Chen clearly indicates that Taiwan independence is gone forever and the Taiwanese want a better and friendly relation with China.

oops!:

forget about china and tell Bush to stop attacking Islam.

Bon Jour Lausanne:

I hope the next US president will learn from Taiwan President Ma's mistakes. As mentioned in your article, anything given up by Mr. Ma has been taken for granted by the Chinese. China is a much better dealer than the betrayer of Taiwan, Mr. Ma.
On the other hand, should Taiwan become part of China, will that serve the best interests of the US? Should the US ignore most Taiwaneses' determinations for having their own country, how can the US talk to the Chinese government and ask them to respect human rights? Or, maybe economic benefits and global warming are more important than human rights for the next US president?

JML:

John: a more appropriate question you should ask is that what will the US do if the Chinese get pissed over the arms sale and decide to challenge the US over Taiwan issue in a military confrontation. Will the US have different reaction as it is dealing with Russia over the Georgia issue? The bottom line is the US still strong enough to do anything?

Anonymous:

I think another possible reason for delay is US is afraid that Taiwan hand the technology in those weapons over to Mainland, hahaha..LOL
I am kidding.
I think the truth could be much more complicated than what you said, US is in trouble now, it has a lot issues need China to co-operate, Bush is considering if it's wise to stimulate China at this critical moment, yes, you are hesitating.

And a little back ground to this little weapon transaction, US charges Taiwan a price far higher than that of FMV, which to me, is like blackmailing Taiwan like a real gangster. And US does not have facilities needed to produce the subs which are not nuclear powered, it has to outsource them to other countries. As of aircrafts, I think F-35 is more reasonable, cause after first wave of attack from mainland, there will not be any airport left for F-16 to take off from.

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