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President Bush Needs a Time Out

How about some diplomacy for a change? The only ones who’ll benefit from this kind of outrageous rhetoric are Ahmedinejad and his ilk.

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All Comments (170)

JOSÉ:

What surpise me is the few political influence from republican and democrats to stop the descredit of the American diplomacy. In the other hand, citizens worr about taxes and how much war costs (money and lives).

Amercians are loosing capacity to be the major actor in diplomacy fields, basing positions by force, not by claver world-views. It seems when a country becomes a powerful one, justice becomes the interest of the strongest.

Ned Delaney:

I'm not going to let this go, and I'll eventually find someone with the fortitude to drive this issue home.

I attended a recent session of our local peace coalition group and asked them to consider the energy their expending on an issue that's not likely to change as long as presidential power remains in place.

I asked them to consider refocusing on 911 and call for: one) the impeachment of Bush and Chaney and two) an independent investigation into the controversy hovering about the 911 Commission Report.

It's curious that the Washington Post would blow the lid off of Watergate but totally ignore 911, when 911 makes Watergate look like child's play.

Yes, there's an election coming on. It's never stopped the news before, why should it now? What's so different about journalism now compared to Watergate? It appears the country is being sacrificed for the sake of politics, corporate expansion, and blatant corruption and our troops pawns in the game. On which side of the board is the Post playing?

alkan.levent @ mynet.com:


ich cheere
du cheerest
esersie cheeret
wir cheeren
ihr cheert
sie Sie cheeren

Vivian, you are a lady. Queen has 2700 diamonds on the crown. 2800 people can stand on the wings of an A380 plane. USA Congress had billed 3+1 ship and 27M USD.

cheerest du, Vivian?

alkan.levent @ mynet.com:


israelsons must have an attunement with Jesus and Muhammed, and an atonement with Spain Vatican and Venice.

israelsons, you have been punished by the Queen. you have a resentment for desert. you cannot apologize while you are rebuilding in Israel again. you may apologize and go wherever you want.

why dont you begin with reading Cosmic Zygote with Xgote too on a lively beach? and then you can be in the library with many books and wisdom.

why dont you have your second birth, dear Israel? those who cry in front of a wall can delepidate the bricks one by one to see the ray of light. the first time they see the light in each of all shall be great for them.

today, make a new civilization. not for Christ to come, to be in a civilization with cheer. and you shall be free of your nine days.

yours is an atonement and restructure today. no, make the brand new one. and no one shall cook boza on our necks to drink as much as we can.

boza (to booze) : An acidulated fermented drink of the Arabs and Egyptians, made from millet seed, corn, barley, wheat, and various astringent substances; also, an intoxicating beverage made from hemp seed, darnel meal, and water.

you know what it is to have water flowing, dont you, dear Israel? have you not applied for the Book To Be Read, yet?

i cooked, have you unjoyed? cook then. on YOUR neck this time. you shall have WATER in the DESERT! for more, refer to Quran, if you please.

for all of us, you have put stones over stones. but you have not informed us yet. you are like a student studying on a project other students concerned but you study for the teacher. then what kind of a relation do you have with other students till you complete the project?

some more, for "espall oc", with ESPALIER OAK. an OAK tree may be an espalier for plants and bushes to grow.

have you ever seen an OAK tree to make plans to educate plants and bushes, destroying and torturing to remind them of being a plant bush or even a tree?

why dont you invite all for chopping their penises with an axe under an OAK tree? or please invite them to have the Awareness of Universal Rules, which is perfect transliteration of the process above.

Israel is busy with health of their penises, my Queen, not with their awareness and wisdom. they missed earthly fulfilment for long.

Moses had a stick as druids had. and soon they may too, besides pants and jackets, just a cloth. and they do not need to be unhappy for this one cloth.

Christopher Jon Batis:

Get It Right, Condy
by Christopher Jon Batis

Pakistan is a nuclear power. Having launched a civilian nuclear program in 1955, Pakistan first sought to become a nuclear weapons state in 1972. Pakistan first successfully tested its nuclear weapons technology in 1998, shortly after India.

There are clear signs that religious extremists in Pakistan, such as the Taliban and Al-Qaeda, have nuclear ambitions. There is nuclear infrastructure in the Pakistani Northwest Frontier Province which is ruled by conservative, religious, political parties and is adjacent to tribal areas where the Taliban are strong and Al-Qaeda have a presence.

These facts are well known, or should be, by the Bush administration. It is also accepted that, within the Pakistani military, those who have the proverbial finger on the button, there are jihadist sympathizers and that the jihadists are moving from the outlining areas of the country into the central cities.

It is of equal general concensus that Iran will not have a nuclear weapons capability for another ten years. Any fair minded person armed with this information must ask why the Bush administration, aware of this scenario, using Secretary of State Condoleeza rice as their bearer of fearful bad news, is so adamant about leveling sanctions against Iran claiming its role in the "axis of evil?" The same fair minded individual must also ask why these Pakistani developments are not at the forefront of media coverage? Perhaps he/she has not been made aware of the facts.

The Florida Times Union published an article on Sunday relevant to this issue. The story was on page A-14 while the front page sported the headline "How "Bout That" reporting on the outcome of the Florida/Georgia football game. A football game. How about that, indeed. I know the Times Union has a Sports section. I'm looking at it right now.

There is something alarming, disturbing, and suspicious about, seemingly, the deflection of focus away from the real issues that affect the nation and its citizens by the Bush administration and the media in general. Is there a connection? If so, why? Perhaps these are the most frightening questions of all.

stmarike@gmail.com:


collapse, from right to left, is "espalloc".

dam collapse, from right to left, is "espalle ocmad"

ocmad: one can make a difference (on google)
esp alloc: precognition allocated

is Mosul for Spain? or is there a spell on Mosul?
or is a clairvoyance requested?

what is the story of Jonah and fish in Mosul? was he captured by a babelonian? or is it semi-fish semi-human enemy of israel? or enemies of Jesus?

in Iran, there are dolphins, (Jonah was in a dolphin in some sources), eyes of dolphins were out and they did not suicide. they have been murdered, and tortured, there is blood around, 150 of them.

so enemies of israel or Jonah have been murdered and threatened in Iran.

what is the deal with Spain in North of Iraq?

stmarike@gmail.com:

and Cecilia x-Sarkozy does not murder a man for the money of an Airbus 380, or thousands for a so called holiday of Modular Arithmetic interpretation of Talmut.

and she does not put a man into debt with electromagnetic mobile phone means to stop and to inquiry for another person with my name who has petroleum business with Russia. there are plenty of men with my name, but i am in debt. i want compensation. i have more than 35.000 YTL debt and i am not able to move to be with my friends.

stmarike@gmail.com:

i really want to know why "comment box" did not open. i have a new account but it did not open too.

yesterday was birthday of a Teacher of Portuguese at high schools in Portugal.

please copy paste this into word processor within "courier new" font. within this font, each of the characters has equal space.

happy birthday happy birthday Baninha

Bibiana Baninha Margarida Reis Araujo
birth of sons are for thy heart to go
daughters are for our laughters to be
you're not one of who stand up to pee

you raise child to be in joy, in love
you give maturity in any case any how
nephews cousins your guest your being
you bless births, today your blessing

happy birthday happy birthday Baninha

Levent Alkan, 29.10.2007

could you send this message to Anne Applebaum, too? what i learned from Cecilia x-Sarkozy are frankness, humbleness and honour. i have something i nme forgiving, and she has plenty from a source to give. she is able to look deep into the eyes on the photos, and her two feet are on the ground.

she does not need an AIRBUS 380 to have a few words with Michael. she can ride a bike (and she is not mormon) and she can put on a helmet to protect her head (and she is still not mormon :).

as far as i have heard, Prime Minister of Israel, pro-state of Olmert is in Hungary. Nicolas SArkozy is from Hungary also.

sometimes, men give from their flesh, and Mr Olmert shall have an operation on his pro-state, this is the language. either on a plane, or on the body or on the land.

Mr Olmert, you know for what is your surname in my tongue, and you know for whom is my name. i hope you shall be able to erect World Trade Center Towers, for the sake of your surname.

we hear about Russian and American space journeys but we dont hear about French journeys in Africa Darfur Sudan.

Mr Olmert, you are from my blood and you must be from my sperm also. the gentleness we see on your photos must be in your tongue also. we dont call a man MERT, when he is different than he is for some reasons. and you shall be operated soon.

why dont you ask from the Queen to be in California, Mr Olmert? shall you be after the operation?

thanks Vivian, excuse me if this message is out of discussion policies.

Faramarz Fathi:


Alex :

Unless one, like the rest of readers here, is willing to challenge and debate the writer intellectually, will not be taken seriously and the vulgarities unleashed at writer, are just as valuable as what exits rear end of a scorpion.

Jakub:

One interesting viewpoint regarding "why" Bush may be rattling the nation further is presented in the student film Zeitgeist.

Zeitgeistmovie.com

alkan.levent @ mynet.com:

((2+8)+(1+0)).(2+0+0+7)
= 11.9

(2+8).((1+0)+(2+0+0+7))
= 10.10

alkan.levent @ mynet.com:

sometimes on the coasts of wide ocean
turquoise water is under the blue sky
white clouds, like feathers in motion
are together with the breath of a guy

President needs Times author to write
bridge shall open for a fleet to sail
clock tower is ought to seek and hide
the gentlemen have virtues to prevail

28.10.2007
Levent Alkan

conscience-to-the-world:

Hello World! and especially to the Developing Nations!

The real terrible facts found in this present world to all to view and think as:

Fact-1: China and Russia are two most terrible and most treacherous and harmful nations sitting in UNSC, exploiting this organization inhumanly and dangerously to flare up, initiate and promote devastations to several nations, and to influence, convince, condone and support the world criminals and tyrants, especially those naive and mindless nations (i.e., Syria, Iran, Sudan, Venezuela, Burma, N. Korea, etc.,) to practice violence of all sorts, domestically and globally, and all acting like their Russia and China terrorizing communist masters such as: Iran, Syria, N. Korea, Burma, Venezuela, Central Asian nations, etc., to follow their brutal violences, lawless and uncivilized ways to run their terrorizing businesses at home and to other nations!

Fact-2: Iran, the land of fanatic terrors and terrorists that relentlessly loves to apply the murderous deeds and efforts to devastate other nations and including its own unfortunate brainwashed citizens, who suddenly turn themselves naively from harmless innocents previously into the present very blood-thirsty crazy murderers and terrorists! as proven worldwide!

These Fact-1 and Fact-2 are the main ingredients to boil up this world and all unfortunate nations and their citizens have directly and indirectly become infested by these world diseases caused by the both offending, very bloodly communist Russia, China and the mindless and shallow-minded followers as shown to the world that the unfortunate and foolish tyrants have volunteerly become slaves for their China and/or Russia or both masters in order to be able to exploit all resources and lives in their own nations!

The problem partly is due to this world is full with naive and mindless and have-no-value tyrants who are very easily to be corrupted by their masters, that these naive tyrants have forcibly gained controls their own nations and have deadly opportunities be able to enslave and devastate their own innocent citizens like animals and no-more-and-no-less than the millions of suffered animals in this world today!. And sadly, these very little valuable UN and UNSC can do nothing to help them while the both harmful and treacherous China and Russia that only want them to die in suffering, in torturing of all sorts in their own lands as the entire world have seen for years!
In essence, the entire mindless nations ruled by their own bloody, iron-fisted tyrants these devastating folks are nothing more than the volunteered victims for both China and Russia!, and unfortunately, only China and Russia can harvest all benefits greedily for themselves at the cost of millions of innocents suffering mentally and physically and endlessly as seen by all mankind!
And these are the very sad things of human misery that all mankind have to see in the days in and days out in several unfortunate nations where people here should deserve the better lives instead of valueless life of the slaves or born to be automatically become slaves as seen!

Thanks and have a good weekend to all!

Cayambe, Philo, CA-USA:

My goodness, Vivian. I do believe I detect a bit of passion, along with some outrage mixed with a touch of incredulity. Good for you. It is appropriate to the occasion and I am happy to see that among the 150 plus comments many of us agree on that. Chalk one up for the lady you see in the mirror.

But yes, he is SERIOUS. I do believe that both President Bush and Vice-President Cheney actually believe in what they are trying to do. They believe what they are doing is “right” for America and that it is their duty to pursue it whether it is popular or not. They bring to this endeavor real political skills, good enough to have had their way for 6 plus years now, despite all opposition in the last 3 years especially. Were they right, it would be a great thing in history. But they are not right, and so it will be a terrible thing in our history.

The President’s rhetoric is nothing if not “Imperial”. Whether it be Iraq, Iran, North Korea, Syria, or Cuba, he speaks of what we will permit and not permit. We will not permit Raul Castro to succeed his brother Fidel in power. We will not permit Iran to enrich its own Uranium, even to know how to do it. We will not permit Iraq any form of government other than a central democracy. We will not permit North Korea to have nuclear weapons. And so it goes. The question is, where did we get the authority to grant or not grant these permissions to other sovereign nations? Do we believe that we are in a unipolar world and we are uniquely powerful enough to dictate as we see fit?

I am a fan of Mahmoud Ahmedinejad, at least in certain regards. He is rather silly when he takes up denying the holocaust. On the other hand he is quite good at recounting the history of Palestine as seen through the eyes of the Palestinians and Arabs. We might be better served as a nation if we understood this history from both Palestinian and Jewish points of view, but we generally don’t get that balance in either our news or most of our history books. I do think he is more than just a figurehead. He has some extensive powers of appointment and substantial influence over the economy. But you are correct to say he is NOT a major decision maker in foreign affairs.

About war, you wrote:
“It should always be a last resort, not a basis of intimidation.”

Madame Albright, President Clinton’s Secretary of State, would vociferously disagree with the second part of your sentence. She has long argued that diplomacy, to be effective, must be backed up by a credible threat of military force. That’s why they called the War in the Balkans, Mrs. Allbright’s War.

Unfortunately, the first part of your sentence has very little real meaning. In the present case the real question is whether to go to War with Iran and when. The “neocons” would answer yes and now on the basis that Iran is now a threat and some 3 years of diplomacy has gone nowhere. All too many Republicans would answer yes and at a time of our choosing when the war program has been sold to the public. A fair number of Democrats sign on to the Republican formulation on the basis that a nuclear Iran is an unacceptable threat to Israel. The remaining Democrats have wet fingers in the air trying to judge which way the public wind blows. Then there are the woefully few of us who would answer absolutely not and never until such time as we or one of our treaty allies are attacked by Iran.

You wrote:
“I can only assume that the chances of seeing another war during the current US administration are slim given that there is just about a year left on the clock.”

That is simply not true. You can do other things besides making an entirely unnecessary assumption. It is entirely possible for our good President to embark on a military adventure in Iran in the time remaining to him. Whatever its probability, there should be vociferous opposition to this idea. I recall vividly how improbable I thought it was that President Bush really meant to invade Iraq. I recall vividly how sure I was that the public would never buy such a phoney baloney sales pitch … mushroom clouds and unmanned planes with 6 foot wing spans bombing New York City. I made assumptions too, and they were all dead wrong.

VivianisaDUMMY:

Alex :
Vivian is as naive as her stupid smile. She obviously does not know the world, let alone the Iranian regime.

Sweetie: go get your manicure and leave the serious issues to serious people.


WELL PUT, ALEX!

NotanIdiot:

I'm a registered Democrat, and if you idiots, including the author of this extremely unknowledgeable naive blog, which, like I said, belongs on page 10,000 of the internet, don't know enough about what has already been done in the name of diplomacy with a rogue state that is hell bent on the destruction of the US, and in making itself the superior nation, then, you deserve what you get.

Meanwhile, REALPOLITIK dictates that the surgical strike on Iran must come sooner, rather than later, and we need all our allies in the region that we can get to support our military engagement in the Islamic Republic, because, THE ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF IRAN HAS GOT TO GO.

Mike:

I have to laugh at the liberal views on this board. For all of the moaning about Bush having a simplistc view of the world, you America-haters have topped him with the most simplistic and ignorant view of the world possible : "Bush bad".

Nice to see so many Americans rushing to the defense of any dictator who opposes Bush. Spare us yor whining about having your patriotism questioned. You hate Bush far more than you love your coutnry and your patriotism should be questioned.

Tom Miller:

From Iraq on, I haven't supported Bush-Cheney policies in the Mid-East but I have to say that I also don't support Ahmadinejad, the Syrian (Iranian supported) medling in Lebanon, or the Iranian arming of the Shia in Iraq and I believe that all three are contributing more to the possibility for a World War III that the ill-advised comments from an administration that has over-extended American power under false pretenses. Where is the outrage from journalists when Ahmadinejad says he wants to erase Israel from the map? You are really OK with this guy and his theocratic wacko puppet masters having a nuclear weapon? He's just a harmless little guy in a harmless little country being bullied by a lame-duck President limping through his last year? Wow!

Keith:

Mark, I agree with you that President Bush is threatening Iran because no one is stopping him, but I think you missed an important point: most of what the President does, or say, is not of his own making; there is a formidable group behind the President that's pushing this agenda, an agenda that's not in the interest of America. It is with this group that we should be concerned, and rise up to oppose before they bring America down for their personal gains.

dave:

America, too proud to actually admit the reasoning for war . (oil for Euros)
Iran knows now that America is a dried up prune it has wasted itself in Iraq and Afghanistan ,Afghanistan so that an oil pipeline can be built,Iraq was for ,you guessed it oil for Euro .
But Iran as bad as Bush would love to bomb it into the stone age for daring to sell it's oil in yen,yuan and Euro. Can not proceed ,Both Russia and China The giants of the east declare Iran to be a no go. America better take heed as to fail to do so would mean ww3 at a time when America's army is fatigued ,worn out.The worst possible timing for ww3
in terms of Americans being prepared .Iraq and Afghanistan will fail,any pipeline built in Afghanistan will be blown up,Iraq will never end until America leaves, these people will never give up.America with all of it's fine weapons of war,with it's leaders so dim witted .We fail to see that being drunk on arrogance and power,just as in Vietnam is no match for a people's will to be victorious.Even if you torture ,rape and murder them. They will prevail.
My only lament concerns the willingness to use depleted Uranium weapons on a people that did nothing to us except own oil.
America's shame is the shame of all Americans.
hang your heads you have become death destroyer of worlds.

Augusto:

Posted on October 26, 2007 02:03

Spring Rain:
Richard Lewis:
IS SHE SERIOUS? As I was reading Vivian's article I was astounded by her arrogance and naivete. Inadequate research. Too much information taken from left-wing blogs. A lack of fresh, independent thinking. She failed this writing assignment!

I COULD NOT agree more, Richard, the arrogance, naivete and just plain stupidity of this woman is rather breathtaking-a failure ALL AROUND-she definitely needs to go get a real job, or actually try doing some research and study before she goes mouthing off about things she clearly knows NOTHING about.

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The fanatics are getting pissed off.

Good job Vivian, remember, facts are to fanatics what garlic is to dracula, they scare the hell out of them because these folks are forced to acknowledge reality.

B Meyer:

I am afraid. I am very afraid. Not of Iran but the Neocons,K-Street,&(Ice),Blackwater,martial law, cancelation of 08 elections, hold on their's a knock on my door. It's about time mainstreet media are beginning to open their eyes.

Bully Buster:

I, for one, think that the US has become a world class bully. Where does it say that the US can dictate how other countries conduct their affairs? As for the terrorist threat, if we had minded own own busines to start with, I don't think we would be a target for terrorists today. I find it quite amusing that the US likes to pick on smaller, weaker countries and not pick on someone who could really fight back. Pick on Russia, why don't you? See what happens then. You wouldn't dare do that, would you? Anyway, maybe our saving grace will be that a country like Russia steps in and says "enough is enough". I bet they won't tolerate that missle shield either. Try to bully your way in to that one. Time for the bully to get a bloody nose. This madness has got to stop.

Arbusto:

It never ceases to amaze me how quickly "Godwins Law" gets invoked in response to an opinion that differs from the official party line. Suddenly our perceived enemies are Nazis and to appease them would somehow be repeating history. Iran would immediately take over the entire middle east and start rounding up Israels by the millions and send them in railcars to Tehran for the final solution. It's only up to us, and our glorious omnipotent leader, to show up riding the mighty white stallion of peace and justice with six shooters ablazin', to save the day and rescue the world from "Snidely Amahdinajad Whiplash". And for Ms Salama to report otherwise somehow makes her un-American. It's shameful to see that this once-great country has been reduced to a population of ignorant petulant children, with the biggest one as their leader. We reap what we sow.

Arbusto:

It never ceases to amaze me how quickly "Godwins Law" gets invoked in response to an opinion that differs from the official party line. Suddenly our perceived enemies are Nazis and to appease them would somehow be repeating history. Iran would immediately take over the entire middle east and start rounding up Israels by the millions and send them in railcars to Tehran for the final solution. It's only up to us, and our glorious omnipotent leader, to show up riding the mighty white stallion of peace and justice with six shooters ablazin', to save the day and rescue the world from "Snidely Amahdinajad Whiplash". And for Ms Salama to report otherwise somehow makes her un-American. It's shameful to see that this once-great country has been reduced to a population of ignorant petulant children, with the biggest one as their leader. We reap what we sow.

Arbusto:

It never ceases to amaze me how quickly "Godwins Law" gets invoked in response to an opinion that differs from the official party line. Suddenly our perceived enemies are Nazis and to appease them would somehow be repeating history. Iran would immediately take over the entire middle east and start rounding up Israels by the millions and send them in railcars to Tehran for the final solution. It's only up to us, and our glorious omnipotent leader, to show up riding the mighty white stallion of peace and justice with six shooters ablazin', to save the day and rescue the world from "Snidely Amahdinajad Whiplash". And for Ms Salama to report otherwise somehow makes her un-American. It's shameful to see that this once-great country has been reduced to a population of ignorant petulant children, with the biggest one as their leader. We reap what we sow.

None:

She spelled "Adolf" wrong.

Left of Cambridge:

To Silence Dogood,

You don't have good things to say about Neville Chamberlain...but his intentions were good.

And Woodrow Wilson, he also had good intentions when he came up with the idea of the League of Nations.

Wilson also had good intentions when refering to WWI as the "war-to-end-all-wars."

We need a President who has good intentions...and one who sees the goodness in North Korean and Iranian leaders.

Who does the UN think it is to limit nuclear proliferation? Every country should be free to explore "self-determination!"

JRLR:

"How about some diplomacy for a change?...I can't imagine why any leader would rattle an already war-fatigued America with this kind of rhetoric. I can only assume that the chances of seeing another war during the current US administration are slim given that there is just about a year left on the clock."

I can imagine why. Some people have proven repeatedly they would do anything to seize power, and remain in power. Nothing like an external threat, a common demonized "enemy", to rally a huge majority of Americans behind, no matter what. It has been done before.

The greatest mistake has always been to make Bush, like Hitler before, into a scapegoat. All this nonsense is much bigger than Bush: it is the business and responsibility of each and every American, either directly or indirectly. Just like those committed in Vietnam, the crimes committed in Iraq, in Guantanamo, etc. are just too monstrous for citizens in this country to swallow. For they are their own crimes too.

So beware! The clock is indeed ticking... and Machiavelli is roaming the streets.

alkan.levent@mynet.com:


while watching cable-tv broadcast of predetermined channels, arms and legs of my body gets numb.

while watching with antenna, my body is comfortable. what is the difference in the broadcasts?

so till you learn, you pay and they earn. and with this money, or anything in return, they prepare lectures and live. have you learned?

for example, what shall be with the poems and messages in WaPo? i have not met the moderation yet.

Dave Helli:

Lilian Salama is a very foolish writer to publish a statement that clearly reveals that she has no idea at all what the President actually said. What the President actually said was; "But this -- we got a leader in Iran who has announced that he wants to destroy Israel. So I've told people that if you're interested in avoiding World War III, it seems like you ought to be interested in preventing them from have the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon. I take the threat of Iran with a nuclear weapon very seriously." - Bush

No-where does the President threaten war. Just the opposite; he is cautioning against the threat of war. Ms Salama owes her readers an apology, and she needs to return to the source materials to understand what was actually said.

Silence Dogood:

Vivian,

If you will grant that the leaders of Iran and North Korea are belligerent leaders of countries that are not experiencing an illegal immigration problem; could you indicate how you process the failings/failures of Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain on the World stage in 1939/1940?

He attempted the very thing you propose with belligerent leaders and found no success, yet you -and others- advance it as if Chamberlain's Munich "victory" never happened or Wilson's "war-to-end-all-wars-League-of-Nations" was also successful.

Please explain how the belligerent leaders of the world have changed their ways (in view of UN limits on nuclear proliferation, supposedly settled thirty or forty years ago)and now present themselves as amenable to bending to UN nudging and restrictions. Many of us are struck by a sense that, like Hitler at Munich, belligerent leaders equate "diplomacy" as an opportunity to "stall-for-needed-time" while their henchmen advance their un-Wilsonian schemes. For example, in 1994: "Yes, we will stop nuclear development up here in N. Korea, please keep sending oil and food."

Jim:

This program from PBS gives one a very good idea about the abysmal nature of Bush diplomacy.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/showdown/etc/synopsis.html

Showdown with Iran

Jim:

I hope every one has at least noticed that there isn't one scintilla of evidence that Iran has a nuclear weapons program. The evidence that Iraq had WMD was much better than the speculation that Iran has a weapons program.

Every thing that Iran is doing or has proposed to do is completely allowable under the NPT. It's just the Bush doesn't want Iran to do what it's allowed to do under the NPT.

On the other hand. Israel has nukes and refuses to sign the NPT. But you certainly aren't going to see the US sanction Israel for refusing to cooperate by signing the NPT.

But since the US is the only elephant on the block, who is there to stop us? Face up to it. There's not a damn thing any country can do to stop President Bush from doing what he wants to do. Nor can the American people.

Jim

PSU Chris:

I agree with the reporter wholeheartedly. There are serious parallels to the run up to Iran in comparison to the run-up to Iraq. More media members need to hammer this point, and our inept Congress needs to grow some man parts and stand up to the neocons. Chris Matthews and Olbermann are doing it, but so far they're all alone in the wilderness of opposition. Come on Dems, act like an opposition party!

alkan.levent@mynet.com:


to Vivian Salama

in Spanish Arabic transliteration, V is B. so Vivian is Bibian. Bibiana in Portuguese is Mother Fatima. Fatima is Daughter of Muhammed.

in Portugal, Fatima is a city near Valongo. FAtima means "who has just raised her child after months of breastfeeding". a friend of mine had an aunt from Sweden, and her name was Aunt Bibi.

i love "The New Adventures of Old Christine".
http://www.cbs.com/primetime/old_christine/

why i wrote this is to drive your attention to languages and cultures, and how to make use of them in speech and addressing.

in Windows Vista "astalavista", the opening screenshot is four parts of a waving square-like flag, with blue silver lightning STRIKING the four parts of the flag.

what you GET in these messages is the reason why there are taxes 7 times more than the price of oil imported to Anatolia, totally making 8 parts, an education to be hand-some on virtues and wisdom.

in Iran, prices of houses and food have been doubled. the body and intakes like music, philosophy, movies, family relations, anything to ears eyes mouths noses and hearts, shall be from "one of three" to "two of three", making all three of three, in du-alit-y.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/23/AR2007102301806_Comments.html

is the title of your article related with BASEBALL, that Mr Bush hit none of the throws? at least, we can hit a few of what Mr Bush throws.

gwbush2323:

Truer words could not be spoken. Right on target.

Dwight:

why don't you go and try to negociate, see for yourself how hard it is instead of just opening your mouth and blabing.in the middle east, they would cut you down for opening your mouth because you are a women.

Jukeboy:

What splits my gut is the way defenders of Bush think we should trust anything Boy George says (to be truth) with his history of serial dishonesty - thats a riot! Oh gee, the world is flat - can't you see that? ... yes.

Mike:

Right, Bush is on the verge of "bombing people into submission."

Really, Vivian, I think the idea of an Iran with nukes is bigger and more important than your obvious disdain of Pres. Bush. The 2008 elections will come soon enough, so catch your breath.

Throwing out catch-words like "diplomacy," while high-sounding, adds little to the debate.

Iran is led by a nut, and diplomacy assumes you are dealing with a rational person. Some mild saber rattling is a good thing. Calm down and have a little faith in your country.

Oh, wait, I forgot: "Bush lied, people died!!!"

Mike:

Right, Bush is on the verge of "bombing people into submission."

Really, Vivian, I think the idea of an Iran with nukes is bigger and more important than your obvious disdain of Pres. Bush. The 2008 elections will come soon enough, so catch your breath.

Throwing out catch-words like "diplomacy," while high-sounding, adds little to the debate.

Iran is led by a nut, and diplomacy assumes you are dealing with a rational person. Some mild saber rattling is a good thing. Calm down and see if you can have a little faith in your country.

"Bush lied, people died!!!"

The Infidel:

I have to say I'm quite sick of it myself, but believe we have far more reason to go to war with Iran than we did with Iraq. However, because of it's impact on oil I highly doubt there being more than sanctions unless Iran forces us to do so. It's important to note however, it's not President Bush pushing World War 3 on Iran, it's Iran continuing on with a practice in which World War 3 could be a consequence. He uses the term World War 3 because that's what it's gonna be if we allow Iran to procure Nuclear Weapons. I should also note that all Muslims feel the impact of the few that go to extremes, and eventually it will become increasingly harder for muslims from a sociological perspective to live peaceful lives here in the United States. Next time a U.S. Soldier Dies, lets see an uprising even half the size of the uprising over the dutch cartoon. Next time a muslim goes into a mosque and pitches a teror plan, lets see all the muslims there call the FBI and let them know. I doubt that will ever happen, and it's sad because it's just going to make it harder on the Muslim population in the future.

Fredrick Schwartz:

This action to continue in this vein against iran makes no sense at all diplomatically or militarily. However, from a standpoint of an adminsitration that has nothing to lose and wishes to ensure that the world is left in worse shape for his their successors it is perfect illogic.

How many more millions of souls will have to perish before Human Beings try Peace and learn to follow the Truth?

Ray Atwood:

Dear Vivian,

With all due respect, President Bush HAS used dipomacy in his administration. He convinced the Libyans to give up their WMB program; he is working diplomatically on the North Korean nuclear program; we used government and private aid to assist the Indonesian tsumani victims; we are working with the Europeans on the Iran nuclear issue, and we are working with Pakistan on terrorism and other issues. He believes in and uses diplomacy. He also believes force is a legitimate option at times. We are ramping up the rhetoric on Iran to warn them of the serious consequences of "going nuclear."

It would be nice if the drive-by media looked at the full Bush Administration record when commenting on issues like the "World War III" comment.

Nikki:

In a democratic country, actions taken by the government is in a sense will of the people. If public and media does not ask their leaders poignant questions, such as how many people from leader's own families will volunteer in case of a war, where will the money come from and what people's issues and problems will be sacrificed to fight the war, we all are giving a blank check for wars in which we actually are not interested. Is'nt it the difference between dictatorship and democracy?
Nikki

Nikki:

In a democratic country, actions taken by the government is in a sense will of the people. If public and media does not ask their leaders poignant questions, such as how many people from leader's own families will volunteer in case of a war, where will the money come from and what people's issues and problems will be sacrificed to fight the war, we all are giving a blank check for wars in which we actually are not interested. Is'nt it the difference between dictatorship and democracy?
Nikki

Andrew:

Bush has no diplomatic credibility in the Middle East. Any meaningful approach to resolving the mess he's created has to begin with the one thing he is incapable of doing: admitting that he was wrong to invade Iraq.

His current rhetoric continues the same diseased logic that abandoned action in Afghanistan when it was still working in order to begin to antagonize and scare the rest of the world.

He needs to be removed from any position where he can do more damage. And Cheney needs to be impeached relating to the relationship with Haliburton that goes back to his days as Secretary of Defense in 1989.

Michael:

Bush and Agmedinegad both are cast in the same mold, they both see themselves as bringers of the apocalypse and the return of their respective messiahs. Make no mistake, they are both certifiable and could turn the Middle East into an inferno if left unchecked. The results of which would be catastrophe for many countries including the U.S.

Andrew Prieditis:

I respectfully disagree with your analysis on President Bush. Iran is a very real and serious threat to the middle east, and a nuclear Iran should be stop at all costs. I think America needs to make use of all options - the sanctions are a good start - to place the pressure on Tehran. I am behind the President 100%

GMHeller:

Salama makes a good flak for the appeasement crowd, but as a foreign policy advisor she appears decidedly weak. George W. is doing what long ago should have been done to Iran: Laying down the law. He should take that position as far as necessary, even to the extent of taking extreme measures. Iran's present government is a Cancer on the rest of the Middle East, and needs to be surgically removed ASAP.

William:

I find it funny that even Ms. Vivian Salama come off as being a political leader and a school teacher to boot. Well Ms. Vivian, actions speak much louder than words and for your information Ahmedinejad's words and actions on the ground are those leading to war, not President Bush. Ms. Vivian, we have be at the diplomatic table for quite some time with Iran so your "How about some diplomacy for a change" comment holds no water.

Oh and by the way Mahmoud Ahmedinejad is not winning the "hearts and minds" of the people of Iran and around the world, he may have won over your heart and mind and the millions like you but nothing more than that.

For all of you "Monday morning Presidents" out there, you have based all your comments of what the President has done or said on what you have read in the newspapers and all the left wing blogs out here, but before you open your mouth, maybe you should ask yourself a question, I'll help you start thinking, ask yourself, Do I have the all the information that puts this situation in context? Obviously you don't and neither do I.

I know this might be a difficult concept for you all to understand but, try to trust, put your faith in your country and it's elected leaders. Believe in your country and what it has done in the past and will keep doing in the future.

katman:

Alex:
BYTE ME. You obviously are an idiot. Go kick a dog, I'm sure that is what you do for fun

alkan.levent@mynet.com:


World War Three?

in German and English, "war = vor" it is
World "before, in front of, to, besides" Three.

in RIKE, with MA, i may present MARIKE, MArk, Mary and Mike. so STRIKE is Saint of MArk, MAry and Mike.

news from front page of WaPo, "Strike on Iran Would Roil Oil Markets, Experts Say"

Strike on Iran would re-Oil Oil Markets, experts say. St Rike on Iran would re-virtue the virtue sources, experts say. oil is for virtues and graceful wisdom.

so this is World Vor Three. World "forewards towards" MArk, MAry and Mike.

vivid greetings, with your grant, dearest Vivian Salama of Nahuatl.

Alex :

Vivian is as naive as her stupid smile. She obviously does not know the world, let alone the Iranian regime.

Sweetie: go get your manicure and leave the serious issues to serious people.

USAFREEDOMMAN:

I think that a time out is a very childish thing to say. If you think talking rather than action is the key, just ask all those single parents who lost there loved ones on 9/11. I think a "time out" is a insult to what they go thru every day. I say Bush is right, go get who did this horrible act so that people like YOU will have the freedom you love to exploit every day. Don't EVER lose that feeling you felt when you got up on 9/11 and learned what happen!!

alkan.levent@mynet.com:

this is also requested for each and every of the international relations and bills and decisions, for each and every country, for each and every application and trade.

teachers of MAths Biology and English at high school were Irish. the high school was a house for priests, American missionaries, Lyceé de St Joseph with doberman dogs was by this high school in Kadikoy Istanbul "Chalcedonia", and the church is Armenian Orthodox. Greek Orthodox Church is visible from the high school in the bay with a lighthouse into Marmara Sea and Princess Islands.

everybody has a blessed and shining story that touches his and everyone's hearts. why not establish a trade that is embracing the story of our addressees?

Coldcomfort:

We (our children) are spending a million dollars per soldier per year on Bush's War. . . . And what are we getting? Afganistan is going to the bad-place in a hand basket because we could not keep a stronger military presences there, and in Iraq all our money and lives are going into creating an ally for Iran. . . . . Gee, aren't we glad Bush invaded Iraq.

. . . The Conservative ("Ye shall know them by the fruits they bear.") Christians are happy. Bush is their man.

GEORGIE DOESN'T NEED A TIMEOUT -- HE NEEDS A PADDLING.

Maria - Pakistan:

I like your point about quitting the war-mongering song. But don't go around thinking that labeling domestic political upheavals as breeding grounds for radicalism are going to get you warm, fuzzy feelings from anyone, allies or not.

If USA has anyone to blame for the current, so-called radicalism, it should blame its support for illegitimate military govts in its 'ally' countries: prior to Musharraf the incident of a suicide bomber was unheard of. The USA provides military aid and support for mass killings against Pakistani civilians in Balochistan for its own agenda of 'war on terrorism'.

Alienating tactics such as these don't work - learn peaceful dialogue and not name-calling. Calling Pakistan a hotbed of terrorist activity may help some of America's activities abroad - but its not going to help solve problems that it claims to counter.

Maria - Pakistan:

I like your point about quitting the war-mongering song. But don't go around thinking that labeling domestic political upheavals as breeding grounds for radicalism are going to get you warm, fuzzy feelings from anyone, allies or not.

If USA has anyone to blame for the current, so-called radicalism, it should blame its support for illegitimate military govts in its 'ally' countries: prior to Musharraf the incident of a suicide bomber was unheard of. The USA provides military aid and support for mass killings against Pakistani civilians in Balochistan for its own agenda of 'war on terrorism'.

Alienating tactics such as these don't work - learn peaceful dialogue and not name-calling. Calling Pakistan a hotbed of terrorist activity may help some of America's activities abroad - but its not going to help solve problems that it claims to counter.

alkan.levent@mynet.com:


dear Vivid Greeting,

could you ask Mr Bush why Senate passed the bill of 3 ships free and 1 ship for 27M USD? why is this after the Armenian Bill? has Pope Benedict 16 blessed this offer? is this related with my transliteration of Mr Bush's speech as "USA can unite the seas around Anatolia in case of emergency at any risk"?

on the newspaper, there was black smoke on it and there were not nice words on them. now who is this smoking gentleman that offered and prepared this bill to Senate?

the counterpart of this bill has a different dialect on this language. a mutually comprehended and approved user-interface has not been established yet.

could you ask Mr Bush to attach the transliteration of the bills as proforma in-voice please?

john:

"mark" mentioned the spectacular sum of $1 trillion spent on the war so far. If this is hard treasure, and not just some kind of accounting trope concocted for the public, it must be the most scandalous waste of public resources in American history. Diplomacy surely must be cheaper.

I feel that American diplomacy has been hijacked by domestic political rhetoric and that nobody in official Washington can ever say what they really think. How can real consensus be built in the house of mirrors that Washington has become? Whose interests are realy served by the current political order in Washington?

John

fenauxgm@hotmail.com:


And if all this talk about war with Iran, nuclearbombs and worldwar III was just a new election tactic? It is working all right. Iraq disappeared from the frontpages of the mainstream media, and six months from now, the American people will be discussing again if Democrates have enough punch to defend them against evil.
And if a woman can be a warpresident.
Good luck!

fenauxgm@hotmail.com:


And if all this talk about war with Iran, nuclearbombs and worldwar III was just a new election tactic? It is working all right. Iraq disappeared from the frontpages of the mainstream media, and six months from now, the American people will be discussing again if Democrates have enough punch to defend them against evil.
And if a woman can be a warpresident.
Good luck!

linda in cincinnati:

I wish the President would take some of his precious time to watch the documentary by Ken Burns about WWII called The War. Perhaps this would open his eyes to the realities of war and convince him to exhaust all means of diplomacy before considering killing other humans as well as putting our citizens in danger of death.

January Offensive:

And Kamloops BC, I luv it when someone like a Canuck or Brit feels entitled to tell the US public about something like "reading"-ha! ha! that's pretty hysterical-uh, methinks thou art calling the kettle black, since we know from personal experiece that some of the dumbest of the dumb are YOUR fellow countrymen, my friend!

justmy2:

follow the money...

How much does Richard B. Cheney make each time the price of oil increase $1. Find the answer and you will find the reason for the sabre rattling...

life 101 people...

Anonymous:

Vivian-the better question is, are YOU serious? Even for the Post-Global section, your utterly unknowledgeable light-weight piece of crap blog belongs somewhere out on page 10,000 of the internet-and not in a news publication such as the Wash. Post. Oh right! I forgot, that's why the Post has lost thousands of readers in the past few years, because they offer up articles of such insight and knowledge as exhibited by Ms. Salama's piece! Clearly the very least of Sally Quinn's concern in PostGlobal is quality of content!

Racist Hater:

"???The President is acting with good faith.???"

"Travel a little in the world. All of these Islam-fascist regimes are rooting for US destruction." => Do you actually believe that??? You spent too much time at Club Med, get a life.


"Taking preventive action is often the best policy." => As in a previous comment pointed out, public libraries are there to be used. Educate yourself.

Joseph Cohen:

And I would bet that he'd give a head to Ahmadinejad thinking that it's Cheney's Dick.

James Stevenson:

How bad is G.W.Bush? I'd bet on Ahmadinejad in a head to head debate between the two.

VV Varaiya:

The President is acting with good faith.

Travel a little in the world. All of these Islam-fascist regimes are rooting for US destruction. Taking preventive action is often the best policy.

Kamloops (BC):

With Great Powers Come Great Responsibilities. (Spiderman 1)

America does not conduct its policies alongside the values it preaches at home. It needs and invents, when needed, an iminent enemy in order to justify its military complex - Iran appears to be the flavour of the day. The USA sees an opportunity to remap the Middle East (the British Empire did a dismal job at it when it dominated the region). At what cost? History written in bloodshed will tell.

America is interesting: it has an amazing public library system that should be the envy of the world and a population that doesn't read, being too busy consuming junk. What a waste.

Just imagine what it could have been instead...

Spring Rain:

Richard Lewis:
IS SHE SERIOUS? As I was reading Vivian's article I was astounded by her arrogance and naivete. Inadequate research. Too much information taken from left-wing blogs. A lack of fresh, independent thinking. She failed this writing assignment!

I COULD NOT agree more, Richard, the arrogance, naivete and just plain stupidity of this woman is rather breathtaking-a failure ALL AROUND-she definitely needs to go get a real job, or actually try doing some research and study before she goes mouthing off about things she clearly knows NOTHING about.

Anonymous:

No,the real question is why the Post allows breezy little "oh how cool am I?" types with the brain of a chicken to blog in the Post-to say what this woman does about Pakistan, is ignorant, just plain ignorant-whoever it was above who said this woman needed a refund from Columbia U. for all that she has learned there was right on the money.

Salama, honey, go do some research on some of these countries will, ya? I am dead serious. You really don't know jack s--t. God ONLY knows where we'd be on the war on terror if not for our VERY good friend Pakistan, which has kept itself together valiantly on the side of right for so many years against insuperable odds-it deserves our UNMITIGATED SUPPORT, OKAY, VIVIAN?-YOU SILLY SILLY IGNORAMOUS YOU!

Richard Lewis:

IS SHE SERIOUS? As I was reading Vivian's article I was astounded by her arrogance and naivete. Inadequate research. Too much information taken from left-wing blogs. A lack of fresh, independent thinking. She failed this writing assignment!

ghostcommander:

Correction: Hitler and the Nazi's were responsible for the deaths of 50,000,000 people. The Hitler's of the world are not the problem...the problem is the sycophants, cronies,rubber stampers, goose steppers, brown shirts, and the nice little Nazi's that are ever so willing to do the dastardly deeds of their despicable masters. Why do they do it? The leader is only one demented, crazy, insane, psycho, or stupid person.

Steve Everett:

Boy George doesn't need a TIME OUT he needs to be THROWN OUT by the U.S. Congress through impeachment. Impeachment is mentioned 6 times in the U.S. Constitution, war powers and executive privilege are not mentioned at all.

Steve Everett
http://www.JustAThoughtThatsAll.com

PJS:

America needs a bogyman. Iran is the current one but it looks like Russia is next as Bush seems set on re-igniting the cold war over his pointless (and useless) missile system in Poland.

Her Lao:

When I look at the faces of people like Dick Cheney, Bush, and people of fanatic religious supersititions, I see great unhappiness, paranoia, fear, misery, insecurity, and fear mongering.

I mean, look at Dick Cheney's face:

this man looks more like a high school backyard bully than an elder statesman, a man of respect and of vision that, no matter where you are from, who you are, you have respect for and trust in.

His lips and eyes ooze fear, cynicism, viciousness, anger, paranoia ---- but he speaks about saving Americans and the world from evil doers.

I never understand such twistedness in human beings.

JP:

Salama for President.

Sarah:

you took the words straight from my mouth. The Bush administration is full of twits

John A. Bailo:

Why is it that these pundits can't feel the same distaste for these evil leaders as they do for their own President?

Take Ahmedinejad, move him to a house next store in your neighborhood. Then go over and bring himself some welcome cookies and ask him about politics. Would you find yourself nodding your head in agreement, or running home to call the nearest redwood fence company to put up a 12 foot stockcade.

Iran's politics and culture are 180 degrees from us. They are committed to our destruction. At the very least even the most rose coloured lib and see how hard it is for a moderate person to find self expression in Iran.

No, we have to do what is necessary for our own future safety. We need to put the screws to them and cause their radical clerics to fall and to get democracy moving again!

Coldcomfort:

We (our children) are spending a million dollars per soldier per year on Bush's War. . . . And what are we getting? Afganistan is going to the bad-place in a hand basket because we could not keep a stronger military presences there, and all our money and lives are going into creating an ally for Iran. . . . . Gee, aren't we glad Bush invaded Iraq.

. . . The Conservative ("Ye shall know them by the fruits they bear.") Christians are happy. Bush is their man.

Georgie doesn't need a timeout -- he needs a paddling.

Dianne:

Ms. Salama is dead accurate in her comments about our war-mongering President and administration! Diplomacy doesn't seem to be a word they have learned yet. The White House needs to have someone knock some sense in them, because Bush, Cheney and their cohorts are only increasing the hatred for our country, thanks to their lack of insight and total disrespect for the diplomatic route!

Dianne:

Ms. Salama is dead accurate in her comments about our war-mongering President and administration! Diplomacy doesn't seem to be a word they have learned yet. The White House needs to have someone knock some sense in them, because Bush, Cheney and their cohorts are only increasing the hatred for our country, thanks to their lack of insight and total disrespect for the diplomatic route!

Anonymous:

amen!! and amen!!!!

Anonymous:

amen!! and amen!!!!

Shag:

I'd really like to know the rhyme or reason behind trumped up info on Iran. The oil prices are spiraling and that reverberates throughout the economy. Is that the goal of these oilmen.

Gary E. Masters:

We should warn Iran? Of course not. They love to shot "Death to America!" But perhaps they mean "South America." Not us. We dare not say any thing to bother them. Lest they wipe Israel off the map. Or send weapons to kill our troops. If we get out of line, they might get angry.

OOPS. They do that.

But still - it is "time out time " for the USA. Until we are entirely out of time and only an accident of history.

Let us pretend that if we never say danger we will avoid it forever.

Let us got for "diplomacy lite" we beg but give Iran no good reason to agree. Certainly not threats. Or warnings. Or anything harsh.

"Please be so kind..."

Will that do.?
Can I go play now, after class?

Absolute 0-K:

Let's see, sanctions supposedly didn't work on Iraq, so let's give them a try in Iran. If they do not work, perhaps an invasion would be preferable to WW III? G.W. Bush is a liar. We are in Iraq on a pack of lies and I do not hear his words anymore. Come on 2008 so we can throw ALL of the corrupt bums out of office.

Anonymous:

Wow, that is a re-heeely broad generalization there about Pakistan. Yes, they do have WMDs. No, their commitment to WMD development was not stable (remember the PM declaring that the people would "eat grass" until they developed the weapons, if necessary?) But nonetheless, I think it's a bit cold to portray Pakistan as the dangerous rogue nation. They've had a long fight with India, and there's a lot of bitterness; regarding most other world nations, they are stable and friendly.
Iran, on the other hand, has gone politically off the deep end. You do realize that you are defending a country which has moved in legislation to have the U.S. Army declared a terrorist organization by their national law? While we are hardly a moderate influence (to them, ALL of us are bafflingly liberal), we are still not crazy. The worst part is that the Iranian people seem to stand behind the leader who keeps playing chicken on the weaponized-plutonium railroad tracks. It really was a slap in the face, in my personal opinion, that he wanted to place a wreath on the site of the terrorist attacks, after basically adopting positions which are terroristic. God only knows what he would have said in his speech that day.
The point only being that even as a liberal, the idea of World War III is real enough to many Americans to piss us off a great deal. I don't support Bush whatsoever, but I still agree that one of the petulant nations of the Middle East, remote Asian steppes, or Northern Africa is finally going to cause American ire. Really, the only thing keeping the superpatriots out of Iran right now is the broken army. And the Iranians know it. It's like coming across a kid who typically is something of a bully, with a broken leg, and then taking kicks at him to feel big. When America recuperates, we'll have forgotten this offense, perhaps, but some other nation will have awakened the sleeping giant. Which, being gnats, is instant death.

Jon in Minnesota:

This pretty much sums it up... Bush is an incompetent idiot

Kyprios928:

Spring Rain's coments can only mean that she is an AIPAC member.Ms. Salama, wrote an unbiased opinion about a WWIII, threatened by our President.I am not particularly fond of Iran, even though in the 50s,while attending UCLA I had a couple of classmates that were Iranian with whom I got alog fine. I do not agree with most of Ahmedinajad's utterings. They are just that-utterings.If my memory serves me, the last time that Persia (IRAN) invaded any country was some 2500 years ago and the Greeks taught them a lesson that evidently have never forgotten. I was also under the impresion that we goaded Saddam to invade Iran. Now, if Spring Rain knows of any other wars that Iran initiated in the past, please enlighten us. We are the best and rightly so, friends of Israel. Since Israel's inception, we gave them everything they have asked and more. The whole world knows that if Israel is attacked it is more than capable of defending itself, let alone that it is also the only Middle Eastern country that possesses nuclear weapons .Even if they did not, we would be more than happy to provide them. I think Spring Rain should use her geopolitican expertise to try to solve the Israeli-Palestinian problem,otherwise, we are doomed on the road of perpetual conflict in that region regardless of who is the US President.

kst:

Vivian has written an excellent piece. I wonder why no one picked up on her comments on "our ally" Pakistan as a the hotbed of terrorism? I wonder why she did not mention Saudi Arabia. These are the two major axis of evil. It was not Iraq and it is not Iran or North Korea. For some unkown reason, neither our government nor our media does not want to recognize the truth even when it stares in our face.

Jdred1:

Chris, if the Israeli foreign minister, Admiral Fallon and General Abuzaid all say Iran with nukes is not a threat, why should we just go on another Bush/Cheney hunch that it is a threat.

Don't you think Bush/Cheney illegally invading foreign countries, committing genocide against 700,000 Iraqis is far more threatening to world peace than the President of Iran who is not even commander in chief of Iran's military.

Berry:

Although I'm delighted with Ms Salama's prose, I'm afraid I disagree on the serious stuff.

Little George is not the typical brat you find at any given classroom. He is a brainless puppet controlled by far more dangerous men, namely Dick Cheney and dad's Big Oil and Industrial Military buddies. They invaded Iraq with one sole purpose: to make gargantuan amounts of money, either in non-bid contracts or by stealing Iraq's oil.

"Mission Accomplished" read a huge banner several years ago. It was correct! The Cheney-Bush gang was posed to profit from record oil prices that have made them unbelievably rich. And, regarding contracts, every bullet, tank, truck, helmet, helicopter and armored humvee represents a net profit for Cheney and Co. The U.S. has already spent more than 800 billion dollars in the war, and some analysts estimate that costs could easily exceed 2 trillion dollars.

Along the process, the Cheney-Bush gang has caused the death of several hundred thousand Iraqis; more than four million refugees; the complete devastation of Iraq; and the end of the United Nation system, including the Geneva Convention against torture. In addition, four thousand U.S. troops killed, and many more wounded and handicapped.

Little George does not belong in the classroom corner. He and his accomplices must be sent to an international criminal court. The death penalty is too soft a punishment for this gang of criminals.

Fatigued and disgusted.:

Israel's Sharon called Bush "our best friend ". hey've convinced him the world is full of nothing but terrorists and enemies and we must always, always be at war. He LOVES being 'a war president" the ony way he can get for hisself a Winstonian legacy or whatever.
Israel is on his back BIG TIME to start the war with Iran before he goes. They want to tear up the middle east so they can be dominant or worse.
Let me give you some proof. Wolfowitz at DODefense, Bolton at the UN, Elliot Abrams at NSA, anolther Bolton, chief of staff at the WH, neocons at every important desk at DOState,
AIPAC at congress. Ect. Need more?

Jred1:

Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni has admitted in secret that the Islamic Republic of Iran poses no threat to the Zionist Regime.

"A few months ago in a series of closed discussions, Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni said that in her opinion Iran does not pose an existential threat to Israel," an article by the Israeli daily Haaretz said.

Livni also hinted that PM Ehud Olmert is exaggerating the challenge of an alleged Iranian nuclear bomb. "The (Israeli) Prime Minister is attempting to rally the public around him by playing on his most basic fears, "she said.

Earlier on October 17, former Mossad Chief Ephraim Halevy admitted that Iran poses no major threat to the regime.

Of course, the world already knew this. Even Admiral Fallon and General Abuzaid stated that Iran with nukes is not a threat as it can be contained.

David:

Thank you, Vivian, for cutting through the rhetoric. We have an immature president with not the slightest concept of historical analysis, but a huge penchant for glib phrases that reveal his personal sense of inadequacy.

wolfvorkian:

One of the things I notice when I read comments to blogs like this is that most people aren't idiots,anti-american or whatever they are accused of but are simply ignorant of other cultures.

Americans don't travel much and when they do it is to some safe place like Hawaii, Disneyworld, etc. For the more adventurous perhaps a tour through the Caribbean on a ship. Many possess a very parochial world view which makes them sitting ducks for media propaganda whether it is Fox News,Air America, or whoever. I've lived abroad for several years and seldom, if ever, read a report in the US media that is even a remotely accurate representation of that country.

I noticed today Rice was attempting to claim that Maliki was not corrupt. She is another know nothing when it comes to the world as it is. Of course he is. To claim he isn't, is laughable and anyone who has ever spent anytime in any of those 3rd world societies knows that. Apparently she enjoys making an ass out of herself. If you think you felt perhaps a slight earthquake today, you didn't. It was simply the vibrations caused world wide by the tens of millions of chuckles when she made those silly claims.


mark:

not to defend GW Bush, who I consider to be the worst president that I have witnessed in my lifetime and who many are saying will be considered the worst president in the history of the US. He is a man who squandered big budget surpluses when they could have been used to fix social security and/or medicare, a man who squandered an outpouring of goodwill after 9/11 by invading Iraq instead of dealing with Al Queda. But where were the senators (from BOTH sides of the aisle), who have the right to declare war, when the Iraq war was debated? Instead of chastising Bush for making the war vote a political vote, they all tried to get their picture taken with him in the photo-op. Where was the media? Didn't the media have the responsiblity to explain different theories on what would happen once Hussein was deposed, on how many troops would be needed to keep the peace, on how much this fiasco would cost? Who would have supported a war that would cost a TRILLION dollars. And most importantly, where are the voters, who allow themselves to be swayed by simplistic sound bytes, as if they are the answers to complex problems. Stand up for your rights fellow americans! And I am not talking about the far left or far right. I am talking about the silent majority in the center! In answer to the question why Bush is threatening Iran, it is very simple, no one is stopping him.

George Robertson:

It's a shame that, again, Bush didn't wait for our European allies to join us in doing something like this. Once again, we must do what is in Israel's national interest instead of what is in our own national interest. To Israel, I would pose the "Paula Abdul" question- what have you done for us lately? Other than infuriate the entire Arab world by seizing yet more land and refusing to enter into meaningful negotations with the Palestinians or Syrians to return land occupied in 1967 in exchange for peace. That's what most of this is about. Thank goodness these idiots are only going to be in office for another 14 months. They've already created such a mess that it will take 14 years to straighten out the broken relationships with our allies and well-wishers. Nothing can ever replace the squandering of the good will that the world had toward us after 9/11, including an offer by the Iranian government to settle differences and even help us with our struggle in Afghanistan. Using the school analogy, Bush AND Cheney AND Rice AND the whole neocon clique needs to be sent to the principal's office and expelled from school !!

Allan McCutchen:

Prior to WWI and WWII, there were "Mutual Defense Agreeements", formed by countries that felt threatened.

These alliances, in the end, were the cause for the next World War.

So Mr. Bush and cronies, are threatening countries, and driving them to form alliances with other countries, like Russia, in mutual defense agreements.

We might get a WWIII, but it will be caused by Mr. Bush, nobody else.

Banglalee Babu:

Reminds me of this verse about an apparently much less powerful and equally arrogant person.

quote:

2:258 Bethink thee of him who had an argument with Abraham about his Lord, because Allah had given him the kingdom; how, when Abraham said: My Lord is He who giveth life and causeth death, he answered: I give life and cause death. Abraham said: Lo! Allah causeth the sun to rise in the East, so do thou cause it to come up from the West. Thus was the disbeliever abashed. And Allah guideth not wrong doing folk.

unquote:


DRo:

Do we really have to take one more year of this war-loving cowboy who became president not on his merits but on his geneology. He represents everything that I have ever disliked--- someone who does not earn their way to the top. He doesn't just deserve a time out- he deserves to be booted out. In his tenure, he has moved the United States in a backward path. We are now more paranoid, reactive, prone to bullyism, and less tolerant of others. We have to remember the fundamental basis of this country, the land of liberty. It is the land of liberty because it was founded on the separation of church and state. Through the guarantee of social liberties and inalienable rights, we became one of the strongest nations in the world. Why then are we know taking these freedoms away? Please let it be election day soon and may the United States finally wake up to the type of person/people that Bush and the Republican party is/are. "We" (the royal we, not me) voted him back into office this past election. Let's right this wrong during the next election. Please!!! I want my children to grow up someday and with them fighting words, nobody wins.

Steven:

He and Cheney are authoritarians and they are clueless in the art of diplomacy.

Q:

If any great power will fall one way or the other, the U.S. seems to have found its way to fall apart. That is to launch more than one war with Islamic countries. The more wars, the speedier the only superpower will perish. Russia, China, India will be the happiest.

Anonymous:

Scott:

You said "As one living in Idaho, it is refreshing, for a change, to see a newspaper editorial that does not automatically adopt the Bush line word for word." I didn't misunderstand anything.

You were making the absurd claim newspaper editorials temd to automatically adopt the Bush line word for word. If you believe that, you are living under a rock or are one of the many liberals who ignore reality in order to keep the faith that America is some terrible place. Good luck with that.

Vernal:

I would love to read President Bush's explanation as to how an attack on Iran for developing atomic weapons would lead to world war three.
In his explanation, he should name the countries he expects to be involved in this world war III.
There may be a world war three if president Bush and the Hawks believe USA and its allies can defeat countries like China, Russia, Pakistan with their atomic weapons, without those countries being able to nuke an American city.It seems to me that leaders of countries that now seek nuclear weapons may be doing so for international prestige. They are fully aware that if thay use it, it would result in total annihilation of their country.

Anonymous:

this aritcle is crap :)

Scott:

Either I was not clear or you misread my comment. However, living in Idaho is a little "rocky". Have a nice evening who ever you are.

Chris:

It seems that you are missing the point of what George Bush said...or at the very least taking it out of context. I don't think many people would disagree about Ahmedinejad being a Hitler in the making. He only has to gain the military might to follow through on his amazingly incendiary rhetoric, and very few would doubt that if he had nuclear weapons, he would use them at the slightest provocation. So, what George Bush was saying was IF Iran did obtain nuclear weapons, and the capability to deliver them, there is a very real threat that they could start a world war. I don't see that as the US threatening war with Iran, I see that as an astute observation of the reality that we live in right now. If anyone needs the time out, it is Ahmedinejad.

Anonymous:

Scott:

Hey Scott, what rock are you living under?

I dare you to find one editorial on this site that agrees even slightly with Bush, let alone one that "adopts the Bush line word for word". I dare you.

Take this blog. Four responses to the question, and each of them attack Bush, mostly in shallow and childish ways.

John Brian Shannon:

Well said, Vivian.

As I read further and further into your article, I couldn't help but agree with you the more.

It is nice to see someone in the media standing up and telling the truth about this disastrous Bush administration.

You'll probably get audited by the I.R.S., but they can't take away your journalistic integrity!

"We want control of your oil. If you don't give it to us, we'll say you have WMD's, and then bomb you until you agree with us." say George, Dick and Condoleezza.

That is about the mentality of this administration. And that is why every nation in the world is now looking askance at America.

At best, it will take two hugely successful administrations IN A ROW, to undo all the damage to America's reputation, in the space of (so far) seven years.

It could get still worse. I hope not.


May God's light illuminate your path.

John Brian Shannon

IMPEACH:

Impeach, convict, punish.

Scott:

I enjoyed your editorial. As one living in Idaho, it is refreshing, for a change, to see a newspaper editorial that does not automatically adopt the Bush line word for word. The sooner Bush is gone the better off all of us will be. The cowboy approach to foreign policy is a complete disaster.

Augusto:

Spring Rain:
Hey Vivian! Stick to topics you know something about, okay? 'Cause darlin' you don't know jack s--t about the topic of Iran, and you are clearly ignorant about the diplomacy that has been gone forth from this country with Iran-you maybe want to keep up on current events a little more on that score.

And as for "more diplomacy" I hardly think that the world's number one exporter of terrorism by proxy in the world, who has been responsible for murdering hundreds of Americans, and being involved in the killing of thousands through their aiding and abetting of terrorist attacks around the globe, continuing to threaten to destroy this country, working with al-Qaeda AND the Taliban to accomplish those objectives, is a country which is really going to be amenable to nice, rational sounding words like "diplomacy" and "compromise"- they have made their intentions QUITE clear: They WILL have a nuclear weapon, and NOTHING AND NO ONE IS GOING TO SWAY THEM FROM THEIR DEADLY PURPOSE.

Therefore, appeasement in this case will get you exactly what Neville Chamberlain got in 1939: nothing but a World War that killed millions.

Which is why the Islamic Republic must be stopped, dead in its tracks, before it has that opportunity to wreak grave damage upon this planet with nuclear weapons. It is a country whose word means nothing; the Persians lie as easily as they blink their eyes-which is why they must be stopped-at all cost.

................................................


Another brainwashed individual thanks to the WH and Fox News propaganga. I bet Iran was not in your radar...say... year and a half ago, I am pretty sure your rants were Iraq Iraq all the way 24/7...then one day BAM!!!!....thanks to a well mounted psychological campaign, you, like thousands of Americans were conditioned to forget Iraq and replace it with Iran...snap!!,just like that.

Spring rain dixit: "And as for "more diplomacy" I hardly think that the world's number one exporter of terrorism by proxy in the world".......funny, if my memory serves me well I remember that the official justification echoed its yes-men was about Iraq being the number one exporter of terrorism, wasn't it?.

Please Spring Rain let me know when Iran is replaced by a new imaginary enemy in the next months and you explode, once again, with a self-righteous tantrum.

Thanks.

Mike :

This blog is a disgrace. Four responses to the question and every single one of them holds the US solely accountable for the current state of US-Iranian relations.

Are you kidding me? Are the editors at the Post really living in such a bubble that they really believe that Iran has no responsibilty for the state of things?

The Post and all of its anti-American pundits are a joke. Fox News may be biased, but at least they don't hate their country.

Mike:

Wow!!!!! A PostGlobal article critical of US policy! WOW!!! What a surprise!!!

The author is right! We need to use more of the diplomatic rhetoric of Iran! They are the real good guys!

Thank you Post! We wouldn't know how completely wrong we are without your constant anti-American propganda! Thanks for not clouding our minds with any posts that tell the other side of the story!

Jay C. Allen:

Absolutely, "I totally agree". The path Bush has put us on will only cause more hardship worldwide.

T westman:

This entire administration has never had sufficient experience, knowledge or interest in foreign affairs except what they think as idealogues, i.e., they strongly believe they know the truth then fail evaluate the validity.

Bush, Jr. especially, has never shown a high level, or even modest level, of intellectual competence or ability. Instead he has relied a provost from academia (Rice) and two demented ultra-neocons in Cheney and Rumsfeld. We're in a mess now, they want to make it a bigger one for the incoming administration, Republican or Democrat, by starting WWIII with Iran.

Osama has to be thrilled because with the Iraq fiasco, one-sided support of Israel vs Palestine, and, soon, Iran, he can mobilize all 1.3 billion Moslems because of the threat of world domination by Bush and his successors.

Hunter:

Hey Vivian -- I wonder what your professors at Columbia have to say about your inability to understand the basic dynamics of international diplomacy. Diplomacy comes in many forms. President Bush said that if Iran were to get a nuclear weapon and attack Israel --As Iran's leader Ahmadina-jihad has stated -- it would be Iran that starts a World War, not the US. It's Iran who is the belligerent here. Iran is killing Americans in Iraq. Meanwhile the gutless UN is happy do nothing while Iran develops nuclear weapons. If I were you I'd study harder in class, or at least do your homework. Failing that, ask for a partial refund of your tuition.

Robert Edwards:

The young lady with worlds of experience and wisdom won't say anything like this when Hillary is elected. Of course, the Hillary election will boost Rush Limbaugh and the little lady will then have to start defending the continued war in Iraq, and the inevitable one in Iran. What will she say then? My guess is she will have to blame the "previous administration" for all of problems that Hillary is having in the Middle East. Remember, Hillary was mis-lead by Bush because she read all the same information he had and came to a different conclusion, but supported the war anyway? Yea, if all this did not make sense to you, neither did the argument she made and all the liberals continue to make against a wonderful visionary, GW Bush. Infinite patience is the key to immediate gratification. That is why the libs can't stand GW, they have no patience unless they are in power.

av:

Maybe try diplomacy like calling Turkey genocidal murderers while we user their airspace

Michael:

I think that we're coming very close to joining the "Axis of Evil" club if we're not already a member.

Bush has lied to Congress time and again. If Congress wants to unite the country, they need to take time off from trying to make Dubya and the Republican party look bad (Bush and the Republican party are doing a great job on their own) and call for impeachment, starting with Bush and working their way down the line. They need to do this before we are all glowing in the dark from Bush's stupidity.

Off to the Hague:

Will someone please get "W" a one way ticket the Hague...?

Ipi Tombi:

The problem isn't GWBush. The problem is any one taking Georgie seriously from hereon. He's never been a serious person. He is not longer relevant, and all that rattling he's been doing is to keep the press focused on him. Unfortunately, it's working.

Luther E. Franklin:

Wise lady. Thank you for masterfully expressing the thoughts of so many of us!

Rasputin:

If I were a journalism instructor, and little Vivian Salama launched into a sophomoric lecture on the state of U.S. diplomacy, I'd tell her to get a clue before opening her mouth next time. This reads as though it were written by a sheltered adolescent, and an especially poorly informed one at that. Thus we're told that Ahmedinejad's bellicose rhetoric is "winning hearts and minds" across the Middle East, and therefore Bush should try some "diplomacy for a change." Leaving aside the obvious ridiculousness of the former assertion -- uh, Vivvy, there's the whole Shiite-Sunni divide thing that you might want to look into, one that would seem to preclude Ahmedinejad enjoying regional influence of any sort -- how precisely does it follow that we should counter menacing gestures with happy talk? Ahmedinejad can threaten Israel with extinction and this does not constitute "poor form (not to mention poor diplomacy)”? Do you even understand the difference between rhetoric for domestic vs. international consumption? How do you know the Bush Administration is "turning a blind eye to allied regimes that may only be fueling the fires of fundamentalism"? Really, if you’re going to pretend to be a journalist you’re going to have to do a much better job of presenting a coherent argument.

Sage Thrasher:

The author asks: "My question is why is the Bush Administration diverting attention to countries like Iran while turning a blind eye to allied regimes that may only be fueling the fires of fundamentalism?"

I think it's probably the oil, Salama. Just a hunch.

Terry:

'why is the Bush Administration diverting attention to countries like Iran while turning a blind eye to allied regimes that may only be fueling the fires of fundamentalism?'

Because it distracts from the appalling job he's doing at home, it attempts to make him look like a strong leader when the world really knows that he's a coward, that has no policies or ideas, that he would rather spend time on his faux ranch with the people of the Manchurian conglomerate that put him in the WH.

Other than that I have no strong feelings either way.

Terry

glen:

i know huh. scaremonger should be impeached and imprisoned. the disaster president, and every time he opens his stupid mouth there's a risk of another problem yet.

Anna:


I am so ashamed of my country's leadership and its role in making the world a worse place!

The only TERM Bush deserves ... is JAIL!!!

E-Rock:

Last time I checked, using the media to make a foreign state aware of your capability and possible intentions is diplomacy. War is the antithesis of diplomacy; we are not at war with Iran. Please invite me to the tea party you're planning with Bush, Putin and Ahmedinejad. No doubt it will solve the (perceived, so it seems...) problem of a nuclear Iran and subsequent regional instability. Don't let emotion cloud your judgement, Ms. Salama.

BotherToRead:

Dear Spring Rain,

Seems like you know much more about the region to allow yourself to accuse the author of ignorance! Well, If that were indeed true, you would have known that Iran did offer a peacefull solution :

Ready to give up:
-Giving up on nuclear activities.
-Giving up on supporting Hammas and Hezbollah
-Giving up rhetorics against Israel

Wants in return:

-Assurance of its security and sovernty( Just what we promissed to N.korea)
-No talk of regime change, or provocation in that regard.

This morning when I heard of more sanction and Rice saying if Iranian want to talk we are open to dialog, it really sounded funny to me. This adminestration does not want a peacefull solution to this as it did not want one with Iraq.

Unlike you I don't talk out of my A...
The reference is below (Educate yourself):

http://www.esquire.com/features/iranbriefing1107
The above article is based on the interview with two very prominent and hardcore conservatives (Your friends, so maybe u listen to them)

But since it is too long for you to read ( you can't be reading much; hence your uninformed assesment ) below is a link to a pbs program ( yeah TV!!)telling a similar true story

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/showdown/

Good Luck on your education. All the suffering we bear is not because of Bush or Cheyne, but is because of uneducated, unsophisticated, people like you who can't read and think logically for themselves.

B.N.:

Do you notice that these hawks who are in G.W.'s and, more important, Cheney's corner have to resort to inappropriate language to make their point--or so they think.
What is just as troubling as the current administration's stance in favor of conflict and war is that all Republican candidates for their presidential nomination--except Representative Paul--try to outdo themselves in efforts to sell themselves as super-hawks. This is true for the current frontrunner in national polls--Giuliani, Romney, Thompson and McCain. God help us all, if any one of these Republican contenders get to the White House.
http://www.reflectivepundit.com/reflectivepundit/2007/10/abuse-of-presid.html
http://www.reflectivepundit.com/reflectivepundit/2007/08/rudy-giuliani-n.html

wolfvorkian:

"Spring Rain"..... good job Roger Ailes.

However I do believe Ms. Salama underestimates the lunacy of the little Andover cheerleader. He talks to God, remember? And God answers him...that is the scary part. People who converse with God are normally in the nuthouse, not the whitehouse.

You can't be serious!?:

"In the Military" -- are you really whining about the deaths of American MILITARY PERSONNEL in Iraq? We invaded a sovereign nation in defiance of international law, and destroyed a country and its government over the course of a five-year long military operation. As a direct consequence of that invasion and occupation, tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians have been killed, and upwards of TWO MILLION PEOPLE have become homeless refugees.

Do you really think American life is special? Do you really think our agents of torture and destruction should be immune from the death and grief they inflict on others in our name?

You are dangerously deluded.

Jim:

Rather than go to war with every nation that hates America, maybe it's time to sit down and figure out why so many hate us. Could it be us? Are we doing something wrong? An honest introspective approach to this problem will yeald the answer. Problem is that our current administration is incapable of HONEST introspection.

mark schell:

The piece by Vivian Salama is extremely well written. Clearly she is highly intelligent, but, although she can see that the administration has made gigantic blunders in the Middle East, Ms Salama appears blind to the fact that the administration will never admit these terrible errors let alone learn from them. George Bush is a man of conviction. His first goal is to protect the United States and perhaps Israel. No matter the cost in lives and suffering he will pursue this goal how he sees fit. Whether the American people desire his protection is unimportant even if the majority argues against it. True, Pakistan, an unstable country, that probably breeds the most terrorists, and that possesses weapons of mass destruction, should probably be (and should have been before the Iraq war) the country of most concern. Ms Salama’s logic is not the logic of Bush, who probably feels the dictator there makes it America’s friend. If Bush sees himself as America’s only hope, the World’s only hope, to stop Iran, a country he has called evil, from reaching the point of conducting its evil at the level of nuclear weapons, the chances are good he has a plan. No matter the cost he will try and carry out this plan. Our hope is that unless he has figured out a different way he will need congress to stand in line once again. To do to this, Bush will need the backing of the people. To get the backing of the people, Bush again will need another mantra that can be repeated day after day by each member of the administration. This is where Ms Salama should apply her intelligence and charm. Reveal the falsehoods in the mantra. I did not see it written in one newspaper, and, in fact, I have still not seen it written: “There is no evidence that there is weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.”

JS:

Are you kidding? Have you not heard of the EU3 (Germany, France, England)and their attempts at diplomacy over the past three years? How about our many attempts at diplomacy through the United Nations? The only thing it's resulted in is three additonal years for Iran to enrich its uranium (the head of Iran's nuclear enrichment program bragged about this fact). And when comparisons are made to Hitler, it is the Hitler of 1938, when Europe still had time to act, but instead chose "diplomacy." Let's hope we never have to compare Ahmedinejad to the Hitler of 1944, but when we refuse to see what is so clearly before us, and call for more "diplomacy" we move closer to repeating the horror.

Bob:

Hi Vivian

You said "little George Bush" for my money you were right on the money. This guy and his cohort
Cheney have no clues whatsoever.
Keep up the good work.
All the best.
Bob

LiberalCommiePinko:

I think that Spring Rain should heed the advise of "Stick to topics you know something about, okay?" When I read your comment "and as for "more diplomacy" I hardly think that the world's number one exporter of terrorism by proxy in the world, who has been responsible for murdering hundreds of Americans, and being involved in the killing of thousands through their aiding and abetting of terrorist attacks around the globe, continuing to threaten to destroy this country, working with al-Qaeda AND the Taliban to accomplish those objectives, is a country which is really going to be amenable to nice, rational sounding words like "diplomacy" and "compromise"- they have made their intentions QUITE clear:" I immediately though of Saudi Arabia. Check your facts, then get back to us, OK?

LiberalCommiePinko:

Yo T Huff!... Perhaps you should more carefully read the transcript. I do not feel that your interpretation of Mr. Bush's comments is correct. His actual statement was; "But this -- we got a leader in Iran who has announced that he wants to destroy Israel. So I've told people that if you're interested in avoiding World War III, it seems like you ought to be interested in preventing them from have the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon." You make certain assumptions about what dear leader really meant, but it is less than clear based on the context. I read this as a clear threat!

Mike:

Nuremberg decided that those responsible for (1) conspiring to wage a war of aggression (2) waging a war of agression, are gulity of crimes against humanity and punishable by hanging.

I'm not going to accept Bush's insanity as an excuse.

Marv:

"If I were a school teacher, and little George Bush made a comment in class about World War III with Iran – particularly given the current political climate – I would tell him to put his head down on his desk and take a time out."

This is just embarrassing. Is this what passes for serious journalism or analysis these days?

"I can't imagine why any leader would rattle an already war-fatigued America with this kind of rhetoric."

This might be because it's not all about you. The possibility of an attack is raised to warn Iran that the US is serious about stopping it's quest for nuclear weaponry.

T Huff:

Read the transcript harder: he is saying that if Iran were to get a nuclear weapon and destroy Israel as they have clearly said is their intention, it would start WWIII. *Iran would start WWIII* Not the US, not Bush, not Cheney, not the boogey man. Not mad, white, Christian conservatives. Iran.

LiberalCommiePinko:

I have to laugh whenever I hear someone speak of other nations or entities acting with impunity... What else has George W. Bush been doing since day one in office but acting with impunity? How else do you rationalize an illegal (in violation of the UN Charter) invasion of Iraq? How else do you rationalize the illegal (in violation of the 4th amendment to our Constitution) wiretapping of our telephone and email communications? How else do you rationalize GW's arbitrary abrogation of the ABM treaty? Shall I go on? This is an administration that believes in doing whatever it needs to do in order to get what it wants!

I am an American Citizen, and I will tell you that I feel that the lives lost in Iraq have been thrown away for no good reason... whether killed by Iraqis or Iranian Kuds Force members! I very much respect those who would place themselves in harms way, and I laud their patriotism and courage. But, those who sent them there are without courage or honor in my view.

binkynh:

Ms. Salama speaks the truth. At this time I gather about 73% of Americans would agree with her. I think we're all keeping our fingers crossed little george is on his bicyle and headed back to his fake, Texas ranch for good before he can start WWIII. No more wars started by little george's fragile ego, please.

Neil:

It's always good strategy to provoke the most radical elements in a target society. It makes invasion or other military activities more palatable for domestic constituencies and foreign observers. Bush's rhetoric is simply an attempt to do this; his harsh words bolster Ahmadinejad's legitimacy in Iran.

PGK:

The majority of dead Americans were killed by Saudi's. 911 was primarily a Saudi operation. Waving a bloody handkerchief with lies about Quds to distract us from the real enemy is foolish and shaming.

Bush and the Republicans are the biggest spendthrift unprincipled psychopathic liars to sit in the White House and Congress in my lifetime. LBJ was a model small government Goldwateer Republicanism compared to this lot and Rudy et al promise more of the same. Their policies have devalued the dollar and rung up $5 Trillion is debts. No one will finance anything the government does if they start another war since Iraq is all borrowed money on top of Republican social program, corporate socialism, and tax cut red ink. They will have effectively drowned the government and bankrupted us all. The number one policy intent of the nero-cons. Then they can fiddle while Hillary burns and takes the blame for the massive tax increases it would take to afford to clean up their mess.

Timeout? Expel and spread sawdust to clean up the carnage.

T Huff:

I know it's very difficult for people here to take the trouble to read a transcript to find out what was actually said in response to a series of questions. It just seems like so many of you "know" what he means and you form your opinion on second-, third- or fourth-hand interpretations of what someone says he said. You will never think differently because your minds are completely closed and you have an inherent bias--even bigotry-against the president.

But try to clear your mind for a second and actually look at the transcript (which doesn't actually show up on the WP.com) and try to understand his point. He is talking about the use of sanctions and diplomacy to AVOID war. He is not threatening war.

For those of you interested in facts, here is an excerpt from the transcript:


"Q Mr. President, I'd like to follow on Mr. -- on President Putin's visit to Tehran. It's not about the image of President Putin and President Ahmadinejad, but about the words that Vladimir Putin said there. He issued a stern warning against potential U.S. military action -- U.S. military action against Tehran --

THE PRESIDENT: Did he say U.S.?

Q Yes.

THE PRESIDENT: Oh, he did?

Q He said -- well, at least the quote said that -- and he also said, "He sees no evidence to suggest Iran wants to build a nuclear bomb." Were you disappointed with that message? And does that indicate possibly that international pressure is not as great as you once thought against Iran abandoning its nuclear program?

THE PRESIDENT: I -- as I said, I look forward to -- if those are, in fact, his comments, I look forward to having him clarify those, because when I visited with him, he understands that it's in the world's interest to make sure that Iran does not have the capacity to make a nuclear weapon. And that's why, on -- in the first round at the U.N., he joined us, and second round, we joined together to send a message. I mean, if he wasn't concerned about it, Bret, then why did we have such good progress at the United Nations in round one and round two?

And so I will visit with him about it. I have not yet been briefed yet by Condi or Bob Gates about, you know, their visit with Vladimir Putin.

Q But you definitively believe Iran wants to build a nuclear weapon?

THE PRESIDENT: I think so long -- until they suspend and/or make it clear that they -- that their statements aren't real, yeah, I believe they want to have the capacity, the knowledge, in order to make a nuclear weapon. And I know it's in the world's interest to prevent them from doing so. I believe that the Iranian -- if Iran had a nuclear weapon, it would be a dangerous threat to world peace.

But this -- we got a leader in Iran who has announced that he wants to destroy Israel. So I've told people that if you're interested in avoiding World War III, it seems like you ought to be interested in preventing them from have the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon. I take the threat of Iran with a nuclear weapon very seriously. And we'll continue to work with all nations about the seriousness of this threat. Plus we'll continue working the financial measures that we're in the process of doing. In other words, I think -- the whole strategy is, is that at some point in time, leaders or responsible folks inside of Iran may get tired of isolation and say, this isn't worth it. And to me, it's worth the effort to keep the pressure on this government.

And secondly, it's important for the Iranian people to know we harbor no resentment to them. We're disappointed in the Iranian government's actions, as should they be. Inflation is way too high; isolation is causing economic pain. This is a country that has got a much better future, people have got a much better -- should have better hope inside Iran than this current government is providing them.

So it's -- look, it's a complex issue, no question about it. But my intent is to continue to rally the world to send a focused signal to the Iranian government that we will continue to work to isolate you, in the hopes that at some point in time, somebody else shows up and says it's not worth the isolation. "

Roger Tompkins:

Since only one carrier group is in the area of operations and no others can arrive for at least a month, with only 1 reasonably able in that time, we are currently rattling an empty sheath, not a saber.

anonomos:

stop sasin bush

jime:

This has gone from Operation Iraqi Freedom to Operation World Domination. Now there's a thought for suicide,eh! He's done nothing but leave a trail of destruction wherever he's gone or whatever he's done,with no retribution.
If ever there was a call for impeachment,this is it. I feel sad for his children because they have to live with the fact that their father was the worst President in history. So sad,like the little man he is. How empty the Blight House is getting. What a disgrace to the office he stole.

Blight:Anything that withers hope or causes
destruction or ruin. (How true!)

Salamon:

As was suggested in today's L.A. Times, the solution for Dick and his slave the Decider is a short visit in the insane assylum as registered "guests" til their mandate runs out. While I am not a great fan of Ms. Pelosi [the next in line for the high ocffice] she is not as crazy as Gergie boy [though still too tied to AIPAC and others of that ilk].

Without doubt such solutions would bring the troops back from Iraq sooner than later, and probably forestall any new wars in the ME where Uncle Sam sends the poor and downtrodden to die while keeping the rich well coddled with new tax-breaks by the week.

freddie:

Well done.
Atlast a reporter with real understanding of the situation.
Iam amazed how so many people turn a blind eye to Bushes BULLY attitute and lack of diplomacy.
He has single handedly managed to creat so much anti American sentament around the world, which is pretty much ireversable.

YEAH YEAH YEAH:

Ei Ei O:

It is amazing. My dad was right. You CAN find people so dumb that they would actually argue with a STOP SIGN and if they can't win, they would dig it up and argue with the hole.

Diplomacy has its place. But when you deal with people whose currency is violence, you better speak in currency and denominations that are readily understood and accepted.

www.AnotherOneBitesTheDust.com

In the Military:

I do not know if the writer is an American citizen or how she feels about American Soldiers lives lost at the hands of Kuds Forces or weapons produced by Iranians. I am a tad bothered by the near impunity with which Iran, at the behest of its leaders, can attack American Forces. Does the writer not care that this is going on, should we just put our head down? C'mon folks Iran is just as guilty as the US for forcing the dilogue and reactions to spiral.

Joseph Buckley:

Say what we will about the DCPS, when I was in elementary school our teacher taught us about how and why it was a mistake to invade Vietnam. The teacher made some sense. Now I am a teacher and I have made the same joke about Bush many times with my friends. Finally he found a job for which his papa couldn't bail him out and unfortunately I think we will have to let history put him into the corner for us.

Jacquelin Ouellette:

Please be more rationale!.
Bush is trying to settle the problem with Iran diplomatically. To do so, He has to show the "stick" to appear real, very real.

With our analysis and reporting (you and others), you are simply reducing the real chances of a diplomatic settlement.

Please, you should play the game. Doing so, it will "encourage" Iran to cooperate with the international community.

I am always amaze by the short vision of some reporters, Blogers and editorialists.

Joseph:

Perhaps President Bush is aware that another Repubican Administration won't happen until 2016, and that he needs to keep American safe from the weak-minded Democrats who will only appease the enemy until then. But wait, he's not only making sure that he is relevant in the Middle East, he also has a plan for Cuba where he awaits the demise of another regime. Elsewhere in the world, most nations are waiting for the battery to run out on this toy president, who unfortunately has enough spark to ignite the third world war. Come to think of it, the US is actually the only nation (since most of the Russian stuff doesn't work and they're busy making peace with all of our enemies) that can trigger such massive destruction on others, and Bush is the only person who who really has the button.

I wonder why everyone in the world thinks the US is the most dangerous nation. Well, maybe Bush might learn a lesson from his best pal Vladmir and decide to stay in power a little longer. If he can say with a straight face that we don't torture, it probably won't be very difficult for him to cancel the election and say, "I'm here to protect the Constitution."

Adrasteia:

"My question is why is the Bush Administration diverting attention to countries like Iran while turning a blind eye to allied regimes that may only be fueling the fires of fundamentalism?"

Money. War is good for business.

colroado kool aid:

How ignorant a person is this? We've been beating our heads against this diplomacy wall for years now. Where have you been? How about Iran enage in diplomacy instead of "rope-a-dope" and murder for hire?

Anonymous:

Yeah, Yeah, Yeah and all the republican hawks for war sound like Morton Downing

mike:

George Walker Bush Jr.=666
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Bush's statements and threats about Iran remind of of a BULLY punching a smaller child while asking the victim why he keeps running into his fist.

Bush is a proven LIAR, and if we have this all-but-certain war with Iran, the world will see us as the TRUE rogue state.

With all this talk about World War III, I'm starting if Bush is trying to preside over Armageddon by hurrying things along. (Honestly, can we all agree at this point that Bush is an f'ing nutcase jerk?) Of course, George "AWOL" Bush and his family won't suffer. Dick "Other Priorities" Cheney will make another $20 million, and will not lose a single relative. Instead, they'll just waste more of our soldiers' lives by throwing them into another death trap. And, a war with Iran will make Iraq look like Grenada.

I'm just praying that January 20, 2009 comes before another war gets started.

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eo mcmars:

it wasn't clear from Yeah Yeah Yeah's post whether he was referring to Ahmedinejad or Bush. either way, it sounds like he is willing to resort to terrorism while he claims to be against it.

Adil:

good article,
i do like to add, we are seeing a replay of the rethoric and accusation that took place before the Iraq war, the second phase has not started yet,,the charade of going to the UN and try to convene empty and senseless meetings. the war with Iran if Lunched will conclude the foreign military interventions of the united states and for good.

katman:

I agree. Jail time changed Paris Hilton for the better. I think W and his gang of thugs would benefit from a similar experience too.

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